The end of school property taxes?

The end of school property taxes?

There are 35 comments on the Pocono Record story from May 5, 2013, titled The end of school property taxes?. In it, Pocono Record reports that:

While proposed state legislation seeks to eliminate school property taxes - the bane of many Pocono homeowners - don't start celebrating just yet.

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Since: Jan 11

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#1 May 6, 2013
One can only hope. What a financial relief for many this would be, esp seniors.

Since: Sep 09

Effort

#2 May 6, 2013
The train is coming the train is coming...

Since: Jan 11

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#5 May 6, 2013
Well,I'm all for it, esp when my taxes are as much as my mortgage. How is that fair? If I lived in a run down trailer park like you, I might not care, but some of us pay way too much in property taxes and some seniors are actually removed from their homes after living there all their lives just because they cannot keep up with the property tax burden. I'm sure I speak for the majority.
Larry

Bethel, VT

#8 May 6, 2013
Property taxes are the largest tax the middle class pays. And seniors are genuinely hurting because of them.

Something must be done.

Different states have different solutions. Some have a straight property tax, but the better states allow the voters to vote the budgets up or down.

Some states like Michigan have gone to a state income tax and eliminated the local tax completely. However, that puts the control of the local schools into the hands of the State. After all, they dole out the money, they want to control where it goes.

Other states have the property tax based on income. Vermont's system has a threshold of $88,000 income. Below that is on a sliding scale, the property tax is based on a percentage of income, or the tax bill, whichever is less. The state makes up the difference through income tax revenue. Also vacation homes are taxed at a different rate,(higher) and they get no discounts.

My personal favorite is eliminating unfunded mandates. Whatever Washington says the local schools must have, Washington pays 100% of the tab. Whatever the State mandates, is paid for by the State 100%. What's left over at the local level,(sports, band, salaries etc) is paid by the locals. Only after of course they get to VOTE on it.

But Pennsylvania's Constitution does not allow that minor caveat.

Also, reevaluation must be done more than 20 years apart. Up here reevaluation is every two years. Even though the value of the property may increase, the tax rate decreases, so the tax amount stays the same. Otherwise we vote NO on the local budget and school budget.

Since: Sep 09

Effort

#9 May 6, 2013
slush wrote:
Well,I'm all for it, esp when my taxes are as much as my mortgage. How is that fair? If I lived in a run down trailer park like you, I might not care, but some of us pay way too much in property taxes and some seniors are actually removed from their homes after living there all their lives just because they cannot keep up with the property tax burden. I'm sure I speak for the majority.
Then get ready to get hit from both sides. Sales tax increase and no decrease in your local school taxes to cover the buildings. Here in the west end they built three huge new schools and we still own on them even though attendance has decreased drastically. The state will never settle for less money and those sneaky bastards will always slide in the loopholes.
cabin

East Stroudsburg, PA

#10 May 6, 2013
slush wrote:
Well,I'm all for it, esp when my taxes are as much as my mortgage. How is that fair? If I lived in a run down trailer park like you, I might not care, but some of us pay way too much in property taxes and some seniors are actually removed from their homes after living there all their lives just because they cannot keep up with the property tax burden. I'm sure I speak for the majority.
And casinos are reducing our property tax!!

Sure! This will all go to the general fund and we will still be paying property tax!

Sadly you do speak for the majority. The question is the majority of what???

Wake up!!!!
Larry

Bethel, VT

#11 May 6, 2013
slush wrote:
Well,I'm all for it, esp when my taxes are as much as my mortgage. How is that fair? If I lived in a run down trailer park like you, I might not care, but some of us pay way too much in property taxes and some seniors are actually removed from their homes after living there all their lives just because they cannot keep up with the property tax burden. I'm sure I speak for the majority.
How is that fair??

Ah the battle cry of the Liberal: "IT'S NOT FAAAAIIIIRRRRRRRR!"

Not fair when you pay more, but fair when the other guy pays more, right?

When was the last school board meeting you attended? When was the last time you spoke up about your property taxes to someone who cares?

Maybe you should run for the school board as a tax cutter. Nah, it's easier to complain about someone else's job. Besides, you would actually have to defend a position.

Since: Jan 11

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#12 May 6, 2013
Larry, you are showing that anger again. I have been paying school taxes all my life, yet I have never put children into the school system and never complained about it because I always thought the best investment was in our youth. Now you can eat your words.
Larry

Bethel, VT

#14 May 6, 2013
slush wrote:
Larry, you are showing that anger again. I have been paying school taxes all my life, yet I have never put children into the school system and never complained about it because I always thought the best investment was in our youth. Now you can eat your words.
We never had children either, and paid into the property tax system since 1974 when we bought our first house. We both got an education off the backs of childless couples and retired folks, but YOU are the one who is saying "it's not fair".(That is a direct quote from your post.)

I'm not angry. I never called the property tax "Not fair".

How would you like your crow, well done?
Larry

Bethel, VT

#15 May 6, 2013
Slush, if your house is "one of a kind, you DESERVE to pay $6,000! You can't have the best, the nicest, the "one of a kind" and not pay the bills that go along with it.

Unless of course you consider yourself to be special.

Since: Jan 11

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#16 May 6, 2013
And I do pay Larry, but the 'one of a kind' reason is very lame.
Larry

Bethel, VT

#17 May 6, 2013
slush wrote:
And I do pay Larry, but the 'one of a kind' reason is very lame.
So what are you complaining about? You say it's not fair, but then gloat about how much you pay. And you're the one who claimed your house was "one of a kind", not me.

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#18 May 7, 2013
Larry,just stating the lame reason they gave me for my high taxes. I do think I pay very high taxes that are double what my neieghbors pay and who have similar size homes. I do not live in a subd and some neighbors even have more acreage than me, yet still pay less. That is what seems unfair, not the fact that I have to pay school taxes. Educating children is the best investment of the future we can make.
Larry

Bethel, VT

#19 May 7, 2013
slush wrote:
Larry,just stating the lame reason they gave me for my high taxes. I do think I pay very high taxes that are double what my neieghbors pay and who have similar size homes. I do not live in a subd and some neighbors even have more acreage than me, yet still pay less. That is what seems unfair, not the fact that I have to pay school taxes. Educating children is the best investment of the future we can make.
If your neighbors have larger homes and acreage, have they been there longer?

You see, that's why a reassessment is necessary more often than every 20 years. When I first moved to Effort, there were many people who had larger homes than ours and they were paying comparatively nothing in property taxes. Then along came reassessments and my taxes actually went down, while theirs went up. Many didn't like it as one farmer's taxes went from $3,000 a year to $10,000 a year.

He made a deal with the state to keep it as farmland forever. He can't sell it to a developer.

Evidently your neighbor's homes are assessed at a much lower value, not market value.

That's why we have an assessment every two years. An average of maybe 5 homes are built in our town per year and nobody is screwed. And if our taxes are too high we simply vote NO at Town Meeting.

AS an example, they wanted to build a new Town Clerk's office for the past 10 years. They purchased the 10 acres in 2005, but the building would cost every property owner an average of $40 per year for 20 years. Times were tough, and we always voted NO on that budget item, because times were tough. Last March we finally agreed to build the new office.

Since: Jan 11

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#21 May 7, 2013
Larry wrote:
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If your neighbors have larger homes and acreage, have they been there longer?
You see, that's why a reassessment is necessary more often than every 20 years. When I first moved to Effort, there were many people who had larger homes than ours and they were paying comparatively nothing in property taxes. Then along came reassessments and my taxes actually went down, while theirs went up. Many didn't like it as one farmer's taxes went from $3,000 a year to $10,000 a year.
He made a deal with the state to keep it as farmland forever. He can't sell it to a developer.
Evidently your neighbor's homes are assessed at a much lower value, not market value.
That's why we have an assessment every two years. An average of maybe 5 homes are built in our town per year and nobody is screwed. And if our taxes are too high we simply vote NO at Town Meeting.
AS an example, they wanted to build a new Town Clerk's office for the past 10 years. They purchased the 10 acres in 2005, but the building would cost every property owner an average of $40 per year for 20 years. Times were tough, and we always voted NO on that budget item, because times were tough. Last March we finally agreed to build the new office.
Thanks for the insight Larry. I appreciate you taking the time.

Since: Jan 11

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#22 May 7, 2013
loose stool wrote:
Taxes are not the point. Again, this poster has been shown to be a liar and manipulator. A revisionist who will spend it's days having others' posts removed in order to control it's moronic gaffs.
Man, you need some serious medication. I am not the one removing your posts, but very glad that someone else sees your vulgarity and inappropriate behavior.

Since: Sep 09

Effort

#24 May 7, 2013
Larry wrote:
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If your neighbors have larger homes and acreage, have they been there longer?
You see, that's why a reassessment is necessary more often than every 20 years. When I first moved to Effort, there were many people who had larger homes than ours and they were paying comparatively nothing in property taxes. Then along came reassessments and my taxes actually went down, while theirs went up. Many didn't like it as one farmer's taxes went from $3,000 a year to $10,000 a year.
He made a deal with the state to keep it as farmland forever. He can't sell it to a developer.
Evidently your neighbor's homes are assessed at a much lower value, not market value.
That's why we have an assessment every two years. An average of maybe 5 homes are built in our town per year and nobody is screwed. And if our taxes are too high we simply vote NO at Town Meeting.
AS an example, they wanted to build a new Town Clerk's office for the past 10 years. They purchased the 10 acres in 2005, but the building would cost every property owner an average of $40 per year for 20 years. Times were tough, and we always voted NO on that budget item, because times were tough. Last March we finally agreed to build the new office.
That's gotta be one damn big office. Two 80 foot Quonset huts should be sufficient even if one of them was to provide indoor parking.
Larry

Bethel, VT

#25 May 7, 2013
slush wrote:
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Thanks for the insight Larry. I appreciate you taking the time.
You're welcome.
Larry

Bethel, VT

#26 May 7, 2013
fistv wrote:
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That's gotta be one damn big office. Two 80 foot Quonset huts should be sufficient even if one of them was to provide indoor parking.
Our Town Clerk's office is in the machine shed of her grandfather's farm. The building is over 175 years old and the office is about 200 sq ft total.

The Town Council meets at the school and we thought that was fine. But they wanted a room at the new "town Hall", so they got one.

And since we reassess every two years the "listers" need a place to work, so that also was included in the new plan.

All in all the building will cost $351,000 and we had about $150,000 in a fund so we needed to bond the rest.

It's a post and beam construction and they expect it to last 150 years. And it just might, because the population of the town has remained between 875 and 900 people since 1850.

Some aren't happy because this money will not be used to replace the school bus.
DemsRUs

Plymouth, PA

#27 May 7, 2013
Thanks Gods! The DNA chain ends with you :)
Larry wrote:
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We never had children either, and paid into the property tax system since 1974 when we bought our first house. We both got an education off the backs of childless couples and retired folks, but YOU are the one who is saying "it's not fair".(That is a direct quote from your post.)
I'm not angry. I never called the property tax "Not fair".
How would you like your crow, well done?

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