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coyote

Halifax, Canada

#1381 Feb 3, 2013
TYfor the explanation of the term "quick hanging"-- quick indeed !!!! Keep it coming KM !!
Katie Mellish

UK

#1382 Feb 3, 2013
coyote wrote:
TYfor the explanation of the term "quick hanging"-- quick indeed !!!! Keep it coming KM !!
To Coyote hello talking about hangings an old man told me last year about an accident on Robert Street in 1947(Robert Street joins onto Carnarvon Strret).A boy who he knew was playing swinging on the lamp post with the rope thrown over the arm of the old gas lights.Somehow the rope got caught around his neck and he got hanged.A sad tragic accident and the old man who told me about this tragic accident is now dead himself.So Coyote there is a little piece of personel local history for you-Katie Mellish xxxxxx.
Katie Mellish

UK

#1383 Feb 3, 2013
coyote wrote:
TYfor the explanation of the term "quick hanging"-- quick indeed !!!! Keep it coming KM !!
Grandman should have read Grandad.
Katie Mellish

UK

#1384 Feb 3, 2013
Katie Mellish wrote:
<quoted text>Grandman should have read Grandad.
To Coyote hello again i was just thinking the old cheethamhill that i knew from when i was at school has now largelly gone.The H.S.A,Brewery,old victorian churches and synagogues.The old victorian mens hostle,old shops, factories and mills and pubs even the jewish hospital are all gone.Even the Dutton pub where i use to have a quick pint after work on a monday is now closed.That pub must be over 200 years old i will be surprised if it is'nt.The sights and sounds even the smells of Cheethamhill have all changed since i was at school there.Times change Coyote but not always for the better.Katie Mellish xxxxxx.
coyote

Halifax, Canada

#1385 Feb 3, 2013
KM: the "better" are there if you look hard enough ! Your post re the youngster and tragic hanging. I was a youngster of about 7 - there was a new bowling arena being constructed on the edge of a field my pals and I played games on. The excavation caused a large hill(mound) of dirt and that was a great place for war games. I recall 1/2 way up the hill there was a large stump w/roots that had been dug up. Well, one a.m. a group of us were playing soldiers and it started to rain. All of us excepting two younger boys left to continue the game in someone's garage. The two younger boys decided to stay at the hill and found they could stay dry under the stump. Of course; the top of the hill was red clay as it was the last dug out of the site. The rain softened the clay, the stump slid over the little cave the kids had crawled in- the roots held them down and they drowned in the mud-- haunting memories from my childhood.......each had the same first name---all is long gone and the bowling alley has been modified to suit various needs over the years--regardless- I walk a lot and avoid the street as I can still c the hill, the stump and the scene when the discovery was made....
SLC

Arlington, VA

#1386 Feb 4, 2013
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> Cherry picking projects financed by tgose outside the US does not refute anythi.g I have said. I am talking about a long-term strategy of which the immediate recognition and enless support of Israel's defense in the region was merely a part. Isolated acts undertaken outside the U S does not mean that theywent ahead in the absence of far greater US effort (Stalin), did not justify greater US effort (again, Stalin), or otherwise preclude the silent partnership of the US (nearly every other pro-Israeli effort not credited publicly to the US). Your sources, whatever they are, ignore the reality of US effort, largely succesful if not always right in the long run, to ensure its domination of every region that had not yet succumbed to Soviet influence. And that included, at the outset of the Cold War, virtually everywhere that the USSR did not have troops on the ground in 1945.. You are naive to think that HST, given his virulent Anti-Soviet, anti-Stalin conviction would have done any less. Read more, listen more, and get the big picture. It was a different world, and it was high tide for the US and its influence. That influence was not incidental. Or cheap.
I am somewhat at a loss as to how to respond to Mr. Maltamon's word salad. However, the interests of the US, Europe, East Asia, and the former Soviet Union in the Middle East can be summed up with one word, oil. The largest conventional proven deposits of oil in the world are in the Middle East and the rest of the world is dependent on them for economic survival. Without the oil, nobody would give a flying f**k about the Middle East.
Phil

Dunfermline, UK

#1387 Feb 4, 2013
SLC wrote:
<quoted text>
I am somewhat at a loss as to how to respond to Mr. Maltamon's word salad. However, the interests of the US, Europe, East Asia, and the former Soviet Union in the Middle East can be summed up with one word, oil. The largest conventional proven deposits of oil in the world are in the Middle East and the rest of the world is dependent on them for economic survival. Without the oil, nobody would give a flying f**k about the Middle East.
There are those who say the 9-11 terrorists had more to do with Saudi Arabia than Iraq but the USA went after Saddam Hussein on trumped up WMD charges because they did not want to risk upsetting the suppliers of their oil.
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1388 Feb 4, 2013
SLC wrote:
<quoted text>
I am somewhat at a loss as to how to respond to Mr. Maltamon's word salad. However, the interests of the US, Europe, East Asia, and the former Soviet Union in the Middle East can be summed up with one word, oil. The largest conventional proven deposits of oil in the world are in the Middle East and the rest of the world is dependent on them for economic survival. Without the oil, nobody would give a flying f**k about the Middle East.
Except for the Cold War and the overall strategy of Soviet containment. Read Kennan's "long telegram" from our embassy in Moscow in 1944. And his 1946 article in Foreign Affairs, credited at the time to "X". And, yes, oil was a major element then. The Soviets hadn't figured out how to get their own from under the Siberian tundra, but more important, an adversary thatcwas willing and ablevto cut off our access to West Berlin in 1948-49 could, if permitted to influence the Middle Eaststrategically, wreck our post-war boom as well as gain advantage in the long term "twilight" struggle. It was 1948 when Israel was created. You, again, ignore the historical context and seem painfulky unaware of what the United States regarded as its vital interests at the time. Word salad? How about some brain salad surgery, SLC? Stop trying to "win" here, because there is no prize for victory and no penalty for defeat, and try instead to learn something. You might begin by casting aside your 21st Century sensibility to understand the world and the US's actual role and ambition in it at mid-20th Century, just a matter of a few dozen months after the end of World War II. And your personal insults change neither history nor my 18+ years of experience through US government service in the affairs of the very region we are discussing, with a security clearance and access to classified information stretching back to the war, from the middle of Reagan Administration until third year of that of Bush Jr. I'd thought we'd have a discussion--not a debate. It's pointless for me to debate these issues, which are a matter of historical fact, with someone who has at best a cursory knowledge of that history gleaned in part from innacurate, misinformed accounts of that history. Sorry, pal, but you don't know your stuff. So what's the point? You are entitled to your perspective.
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1389 Feb 4, 2013
Mr. SLC, I suggest that, aside from George F. Kennan's missives, which were the foundation of Truman's Cold War strategy, and that of all of his succrsors, that you check out the National Archives as well as the old Soviet KGB archives, which the Russian government has largely declassified since the implosion of the USSR. If you are as interested in that history as you seem to be, you will be fascinated by what you learn from a committed effort to sift through that stuff. Seriously, give it a try. It will be very worthwhile.
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1390 Feb 4, 2013
Check out, too, the FDR, Trumam, Eisenhower, and Kennedy Libraries. Check out Dean Acheson's papers. And whatever the Agency has made available, redactions notwithstanding, from that period. Clark Clifford's memoirs, as great a read as that book is, are not the kind of source that will be useful in this sort of research. He left out anything that he, in the late years of the Cold War, regarded as still sensitive or that otherwise was still classified.
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1391 Feb 4, 2013
Clifford was one of those old-fashioned, highly disciplined patriot-aristocrats whose every public utterance was as carefully planned or contrived as it appeared spontaneous and genuine. His was not the sort of "tell-all" memoir that has since become fashionable. This is a guy who, within days of succeeding the ambivalent Bob McNamara as Defense Sec'y had the credibility to convene the old "Wise Men" in secret to counsel LBJ to switch course in Vietnam. His simple question, "What is the strategy for victory?" led not only to Westmoreland's tacit admission that there really was none beyond his request for 206,000 additional combat troops (after the Tet Offensive led to the enemy's temporary occupation of every province and city of the RVN, including the grounds of our own embassy in Saigon)but also to his immediate ouster as supreme military commander, the president's equally expeditious initiation of talks that would lead to a negotiated settlement, and, finally, to Johnson's decision not to remain in the 68 presidential race, which, of course,assured that Clifford's own tenure at the Pentagon would be limited definitively to ten months. It was a heroic, historic act, of which the public was unaware at the time. He didn't write or speak of it until the war was ended in SE Asia. He would hardly have been one to write candidly about the classified issues surrounding the cold war, which were never the subject of the sort of leaks from inside Defense (The Pentagon Papers) and State, or of the sort of unbridled suspicion and interest from the media and the public that surrounded Vietnam. Not while the Cold War was still being waged. So he is not a reliable source on this period... Other than what you find from him in the Archives. Even Dean Acheson's own censored memoirs (Present at the Creation) and other published foreign policy statements are more edifying.
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1393 Feb 4, 2013
So if Bin Laden was able to order attacks in Madrid, London, and Indonesia, the bloodletting in those places, in addition to all that was spilled needlessly in Iraq, was a small price to pay for the undeserved honor of Bushes 41 & 43. A national disgrace, indeed, and the cause of many unheralded resignatikns from State, the AID, the NSC,and the CIA. And the increasing rate of suicide among military veterans.
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1394 Feb 4, 2013
** resignations resignations
Bob

Montréal, Canada

#1395 Feb 4, 2013
Verbally texting while driving again, moron?
But don't worry, I am tracking you, and the Penn Highway Patrol while arrest you any day now.
And by the way, I have a son, too. And I know that you texted him. What a perverted and depraved mind to verbally text a 12-year old boy while driving.
Don't try to hide. The wheels of justice are turning, and I'll get you for what you did to my son. He has to pay for receiving text, and all that nonsense you keep sending to his cell phone is running up his bill.
You textophile sicko.
Katie Mellish

UK

#1396 Feb 4, 2013
coyote wrote:
KM: the "better" are there if you look hard enough ! Your post re the youngster and tragic hanging. I was a youngster of about 7 - there was a new bowling arena being constructed on the edge of a field my pals and I played games on. The excavation caused a large hill(mound) of dirt and that was a great place for war games. I recall 1/2 way up the hill there was a large stump w/roots that had been dug up. Well, one a.m. a group of us were playing soldiers and it started to rain. All of us excepting two younger boys left to continue the game in someone's garage. The two younger boys decided to stay at the hill and found they could stay dry under the stump. Of course; the top of the hill was red clay as it was the last dug out of the site. The rain softened the clay, the stump slid over the little cave the kids had crawled in- the roots held them down and they drowned in the mud-- haunting memories from my childhood.......each had the same first name---all is long gone and the bowling alley has been modified to suit various needs over the years--regardless- I walk a lot and avoid the street as I can still c the hill, the stump and the scene when the discovery was made....
To Coyote hello what a strange story it is as strange as the one i told you a post or two above this one.We all know that children get up to some pretty dangerous things,i myself included but when a child gets killed playing you can always bet it is always a freak accident.Talking about children getting killed when playing here is a terrible one.On Butler Street Miles Platting when i was a young child there was this derelict old cotton mill called Providence Mill.This old mill had fallen into dereliction in the 1930s and received bomb damage during the second world war.Children from the area use to play in this old mill,then one day some boys were playing football in there.The sound of their shouts and the sound of the ball complete with the vibrations of the ball bouncing off the floor and walls brought a iron support girder crashing down.One of these young boys were killed,crushed to death by the fallen iron girder.Providence mill was soon demolished after that tragic accident.I have always remembered the police comming to my school warning us to stay away and stay out of empty property.-KatieMellish xxxxxx.
SLC

Arlington, VA

#1397 Feb 4, 2013
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> Except for the Cold War and the overall strategy of Soviet containment. Read Kennan's "long telegram" from our embassy in Moscow in 1944. And his 1946 article in Foreign Affairs, credited at the time to "X". And, yes, oil was a major element then. The Soviets hadn't figured out how to get their own from under the Siberian tundra, but more important, an adversary thatcwas willing and ablevto cut off our access to West Berlin in 1948-49 could, if permitted to influence the Middle Eaststrategically, wreck our post-war boom as well as gain advantage in the long term "twilight" struggle. It was 1948 when Israel was created. You, again, ignore the historical context and seem painfulky unaware of what the United States regarded as its vital interests at the time. Word salad? How about some brain salad surgery, SLC? Stop trying to "win" here, because there is no prize for victory and no penalty for defeat, and try instead to learn something. You might begin by casting aside your 21st Century sensibility to understand the world and the US's actual role and ambition in it at mid-20th Century, just a matter of a few dozen months after the end of World War II. And your personal insults change neither history nor my 18+ years of experience through US government service in the affairs of the very region we are discussing, with a security clearance and access to classified information stretching back to the war, from the middle of Reagan Administration until third year of that of Bush Jr. I'd thought we'd have a discussion--not a debate. It's pointless for me to debate these issues, which are a matter of historical fact, with someone who has at best a cursory knowledge of that history gleaned in part from innacurate, misinformed accounts of that history. Sorry, pal, but you don't know your stuff. So what's the point? You are entitled to your perspective.
The attitude of the former Soviet Union was that control of the oil resources of the Middle East would give them leverage over the West in the Cold War, not so much that they were in need of the oil themselves. Obviously, it was in the US interest to deny them that leverage.
MaltaMon

Mullica Hill, NJ

#1398 Feb 4, 2013
Bob wrote:
Verbally texting while driving again, moron?
But don't worry, I am tracking you, and the Penn Highway Patrol while arrest you any day now.
And by the way, I have a son, too. And I know that you texted him. What a perverted and depraved mind to verbally text a 12-year old boy while driving.
Don't try to hide. The wheels of justice are turning, and I'll get you for what you did to my son. He has to pay for receiving text, and all that nonsense you keep sending to his cell phone is running up his bill.
You textophile sicko.
Lol.. BOB, I think maybe it is YOU who have a "collective". This doesn't seem like one of yours. Anyway, carry on with your silliness. It's fun to read.
Bob

Montréal, Canada

#1399 Feb 5, 2013
Carry on with your silliness MaltaMon, but unfortunately yours is not fun to read. After a year of 'you raped my son' and 'the local and federal are closing in' etc, it's kind of pathetic and boring.
MaltaMon

Emmaus, PA

#1400 Feb 5, 2013
Bob wrote:
Carry on with your silliness MaltaMon, but unfortunately yours is not fun to read. After a year of 'you raped my son' and 'the local and federal are closing in' etc, it's kind of pathetic and boring.
Well, it definitely is not so interesting as the pedophile smut that you like to post .
The Trackers

Châteauguay, Canada

#1401 Feb 5, 2013
We are tracking Pedo Bob.

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