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[MaltaMon]

coyote wrote:

MM- thanks for #1226-- have sent 1-2 lengthy replies but they are not getting thru--- maybe in future-- good stuff !! INTERESTING to me at least....

okay. The numbers are different on my account. I am only up to 1163. Don't know where all the others are if you've got sixty more. Duplicates,perhaps? Anyway I'll look for your msgs. Glad for the civility.

[Phil]

Someones being civil.
WTF!
This has got to stop!!
We'll be getting a bad name.

[MaltaMon]

Kerry was a war hero. He volunteered for two deployments, bravely, and single-handedly (and in defiance of Navy protocol which requires that a captain never leave his ship) saved his boat and his crew from certain annihilation by leaping of its bow, while it was moving, to take out a young VC guerilla about to fire off a grenade launcher at them. The Bush Administration neo-con "chicken hawks"--the warmongering contemporaries of KerryKerry who had wilfully dodged the draft during the Vietnam era (Dick Cheney alone obtained FIVE deferments, and of course, Dubya's dad, "Poppy" Bush, then RNC chairman and UN Ambassador utonder Nixon, arranged for Junior toto serve out the war as a hard--partying, drug-abusing absentee pilot in the National Guard), cynically and amorally fictionalized Kerry's war record to characterize him as a coward. The tactic was known as "swift-boating", a reference to the type of river-patrol vessel that Kerry had commanded. In that wartime atmosphere of post-9/11 politically engineered fear-mongering, the lavishly-financed swiftboat campaign worked.

[MaltaMon]

Hate to say it, but when it comes to well financed campaigns to instill fear of an impending threat where none exists, the average American voter is as gullible as a kid recruited to become a suicide bomber. And, thus convinced to vote against their own best interests, almost as blindly self-destructive.

[coyote]

You can make that statement and I sure will not argue it. I do not think it is unique to the USA or even the recent 50 years-- I sometimes sift through a large book which follows world events from 1901 on and(I will call it propaganda) it is mind boggling the manipulations created to cause havoc for the innocent and power for the greedy. Churchill, FDR, Lenin, Mussolini etc. etc. In the end the good guy wins and the evil guy loses, when in fact each opposing force had the same motivation. Not well said but maybe you can follow my thinking. Actually, I just left a meeting in a bit of a crank so my excuse for this illiterate post is my anxiety is still a bit elevated.

[MaltaMon]

It seems Phil took my advice and my warning seriously, despite all his initial bluster. Of course, this is not the only such thread of interest.

[Phil]

MaltaMon wrote:

It seems Phil took my advice and my warning seriously, despite all his initial bluster. Of course, this is not the only such thread of interest.

Not really.
'MaltaMon' and 'seriously' are two words I can't bring myself to use in the same sentence but you obviously can't stay away.
Some of us have a life.

[coyote]

patience Phil, patience..... meet us at the pub in the future -- maybe U and I could try one of Broken Arrow's Pernod Bombs and MM would explain the code. We will not refer to "serious" but call it "in depth".... take care pal ! Truthfully I think I would be unable to down a Pernod Bomb as one look at the darn thing I'd be laughing too hard to drink it.... serious.no-correction- in depth problem that jest ain't worth fussin' bout !

[MaltaMon]

Phil wrote:

<quoted text>
Not really.
'MaltaMon' and 'seriously' are two words I can't bring myself to use in the same sentence but you obviously can't stay away.
Some of us have a life.

You came onto this thread recently for the sole purpose of charging at me, Phil. Is THAT your life or isn't it? I didn't start this. And now you resurrect that old withered, fundamentally meaningless chestnut of a platitude--and platitude of a chestnut--YOU..... HAVE.... A... LIFE. Oh, my. Really? Please, Phil, do everyone a favor, including yourself most of all, get back to that life full-time..

[SLC]

MaltaMon wrote:

Kerry was a war hero. He volunteered for two deployments, bravely, and single-handedly (and in defiance of Navy protocol which requires that a captain never leave his ship) saved his boat and his crew from certain annihilation by leaping of its bow, while it was moving, to take out a young VC guerilla about to fire off a grenade launcher at them. The Bush Administration neo-con "chicken hawks"--the warmongering contemporaries of KerryKerry who had wilfully dodged the draft during the Vietnam era (Dick Cheney alone obtained FIVE deferments, and of course, Dubya's dad, "Poppy" Bush, then RNC chairman and UN Ambassador utonder Nixon, arranged for Junior toto serve out the war as a hard--partying, drug-abusing absentee pilot in the National Guard), cynically and amorally fictionalized Kerry's war record to characterize him as a coward. The tactic was known as "swift-boating", a reference to the type of river-patrol vessel that Kerry had commanded. In that wartime atmosphere of post-9/11 politically engineered fear-mongering, the lavishly-financed swiftboat campaign worked.

In connection with the Swift Boaters, we should also mention the ongoing smear campaign against another Vietnam War hero, Chuck Hagel. I find it unacceptable that a draft dodging, war mongering piece of filth like William Kristol should be running his word processor against Hagel and even worse, that anyone listens to him. And that a supposedly "liberal" Washington Post runs blog posts by a fascist whore like Jennifer Rubin, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Rethuglican Party.

[MaltaMon]

SLC wrote:

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In connection with the Swift Boaters, we should also mention the ongoing smear campaign against another Vietnam War hero, Chuck Hagel. I find it unacceptable that a draft dodging, war mongering piece of filth like William Kristol should be running his word processor against Hagel and even worse, that anyone listens to him. And that a supposedly "liberal" Washington Post runs blog posts by a fascist whore like Jennifer Rubin, a wholly owned subsidiary of the Rethuglican Party.

Absolutely. These Chicken Hawks have no experience with warfare beyond their discussions and pronouncements, and sending off to battle the mostly poor and working class kids who volunteer for service with the hope of having their educational expenses covered if they survive. They have no sense of what my grandfather, a veteran of the brave 314th Infantry in France in 1918, described to me as, "crawling on your belly in the mud while getting shot at again and again, and not being able to stop and help your buddy next to you when he gets hit (by gunfire or explosivrs) And Kristol was chief of staff to Vice President Dan Quayle, another notoriously privileged draft dodger during the Vietnam war.

[MaltaMon]

And if you criticize the needless, endless wars that they initiated, their response is to challenge your patriotism for not supporting the troops who had no voice in the decisions to fight these useless, destructive wars or in their five or six deployments to the battlefield in as many years. And they oppose the funding necessary tovtake care of those who return damaged as well as the families of those who are killed.

[MaltaMon]

I am all too familiar, from history and, notably, from my former career, of what these evil, cowardly bastards are capable of. As does Hagel, a genuine war hero from the enlisted ranks who served in the Senatevduringvthe reign of Bush, Cheney, and the other privileged, war-profiteering Chicken Hawks.

[Phil]

MaltaMon wrote:

<quoted text> You came onto this thread recently for the sole purpose of charging at me, Phil. Is THAT your life or isn't it? I didn't start this. And now you resurrect that old withered, fundamentally meaningless chestnut of a platitude--and platitude of a chestnut--YOU..... HAVE.... A... LIFE. Oh, my. Really? Please, Phil, do everyone a favor, including yourself most of all, get back to that life full-time..

Might I suggest you follow your own advice.
You can't, though.
Can you?

[Phil]

MaltaMon, changing the subject (or not, as the case may be) I have a question re: Mr Cheney.
My understanding (and it could be wrong) is that after the US blew the sh*t out of Iraq the contracts (or some of them) to rebuild Iraq were handed out to Haliburton, which a certain Mr Cheney has/had a financial interest, without bothering with the niceties of allowing others to bid for those contracts, which in effect allowed Mr Cheney to literally profit from the loss of US troops.
Is my understanding correct or am I misinterpreting the situation?
If true Mr Bush and Mr Cheney should be shot.

[MaltaMon]

Phil wrote:

<quoted text>
Might I suggest you follow your own advice.
You can't, though.
Can you?

I don't need to, darling. I am working on a book. besides, the advice is intended for you. I have made no claims or other pronouncements that so obviously invite such advice

[MaltaMon]

Phil wrote:

MaltaMon, changing the subject (or not, as the case may be) I have a question re: Mr Cheney.
My understanding (and it could be wrong) is that after the US blew the sh*t out of Iraq the contracts (or some of them) to rebuild Iraq were handed out to Haliburton, which a certain Mr Cheney has/had a financial interest, without bothering with the niceties of allowing others to bid for those contracts, which in effect allowed Mr Cheney to literally profit from the loss of US troops.
Is my understanding correct or am I misinIterpreting the situation?
If true Mr Bush and Mr Cheney should be shot.

Ah, I see. I I should accept the insulting hostility with which you began our dialogue, and then treat you with civility. I would be happy to answer your question. But only if and when you lose the hostile attitude. hoping for the best, mm

[MaltaMon]

Phil, I assume that you know it is definitely NOT okay to attack from you first post, to maintain that attack with unrelenting perseverence,to write over and over again, "Everyone can see that you are a liar and a complete fraud " and then change the subject to ask my opinion on a topic that, for once coming from you, actually interests me. Why would anyone whom you so patently despise and have had in your crosshairs since the very second th tyou emerged from your silence--presumably a holiday respite--accord you that courtesy? You clearly want to skip the first step toward civility. But to do that is not okay. Regards, MM

[Phil]

You're writing a book?
Have you finished colouring in your other books yet?

[Katie Mellish]

coyote wrote:

patience Phil, patience..... meet us at the pub in the future -- maybe U and I could try one of Broken Arrow's Pernod Bombs and MM would explain the code. We will not refer to "serious" but call it "in depth".... take care pal ! Truthfully I think I would be unable to down a Pernod Bomb as one look at the darn thing I'd be laughing too hard to drink it.... serious.no-correction- in depth problem that jest ain't worth fussin' bout !

To Coyote hello again i cannot stand the smell of a Pernod bomb let alone drink one.Purple coloured cyder smelling of aniseed-yuk.