Bob: Were Boys Forced to Attend School Swim Lessons Completely Nude?

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Jan 25, 2013
 
CaDad: I doubt so-called CFNM fetish orientated(if they exist) could care less. Your (way back when) comments usually related to inappropriate abuse of patient modesty in health care. Now, I am close to 60 and at jr. college it was mandatory males swim nude, we were aware of that from day one. Like it or lump it was the reply. We also had sub female instructors and on occasion female office staff would enter the area with messages etc. To my recollection there was not hue and cry of protest as it was accepted that was the way.... It is a bigger deal today by those who did not go through that period. No one would even today call me a CFNM fetishist (to my face) and get away with it.... if that is the experience to gain that label then it certainly exemplifies some people with evil thoughts. narrow minds and no knowledge. Heck- it was a norm to different extents-nothing else--- unrelated to modesty violations you specialize in reporting. My deep respect for you is due to your modesty crusade in health care and I trust you will observe cultures differ in other countries but we should realize there are often valid criticisms of our culture by those from other countries.
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Jan 25, 2013
 
CaDad wrote:
I might add I have no idea what happens or what has happened across the pond, but in the US, nude swimming in school districts did not happen.
I know of a few instances where nudest clubs rented them out, and the YMCA did have nude swimming for males only. Females were not allowed in the facility-period.
I know the CFNM fetishes won';t like mu post lol.
Welcome back CA Dad we have missed you i know we have our differences but its nice to see you again and all the best for thr comming newyear-Katie Mellish.
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Jan 25, 2013
 
coyote wrote:
Tomato sauce- I agree. I do like tomato from the vine but not processed to a sauce. I like sardines but feature kippers for b'feast and they can be in BBQ sauce etc. or straight- but not tomato sauce. Very good for one's health and contain cancer fighting fats. Unfortunately most folks should eat in moderation because too much will promote a case of gout which is very painful. I do not know why and may look it up some time. You mention pear cyder and likely are aware the juice from pears was considered "nectar of the gods" by early Egyptian civs. I have done some research on pears and the health benefits far exceed those of apples, peaches etc. So- must assume pear cyder is very good for one but is only available as a wine in these parts. Our soil type is well known to benefit superb apples and would also be ideal for pears so I have been involved with some agri folks and we have 60 experimental types which will begin producing next year(7 yr process from hybrid seedling) with the goal of invigorating a commercial product for value added. Having the 4 seasons places limitations so hybrids which are unique and consumer friendly is the key to start. Obviously pears do not storage as apples so value added is the program I am working on. Funding is tight and it is frustrating but if the different value added prods show potential then investors may be available. Fun though. At the moment I would have to bring in T/L's of pears from Cal. and Mex. to kick start but not prepared to do that until certain we can in fact harvest "superior" pears from our own orchards. Obviously pear cyder will be a by product so likely be meeting some UK processors for interest and process'. Neat stuff !
To Coyote hello sweetheart iam drinking a perry at this moment called Chantemelle it is a nice drink i use Chantemelle to make my Black Velvets with this Chantemelle is 5.5% alcohol its a nice drink.It reads on the back of the bottle Produced in the EU for Manchester Drinks Co Ltd.Coyote i will tell you how to make a Black Velvet.Pour 3/4 of a pint of Guiness first leave to settle.Get a large spoon and pour 1 Gill of perry on top of the Guiness then just drink and enjoy.Try it one day sweetheart iam sure you will enjoy a pint or three of Black Velvets-cheers Katie Mellish xxxxxx.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
coyote wrote:
CaDad: I doubt so-called CFNM fetish orientated(if they exist) could care less. Your (way back when) comments usually related to inappropriate abuse of patient modesty in health care. Now, I am close to 60 and at jr. college it was mandatory males swim nude, we were aware of that from day one. Like it or lump it was the reply. We also had sub female instructors and on occasion female office staff would enter the area with messages etc. To my recollection there was not hue and cry of protest as it was accepted that was the way.... It is a bigger deal today by those who did not go through that period. No one would even today call me a CFNM fetishist (to my face) and get away with it.... if that is the experience to gain that label then it certainly exemplifies some people with evil thoughts. narrow minds and no knowledge. Heck- it was a norm to different extents-nothing else--- unrelated to modesty violations you specialize in reporting. My deep respect for you is due to your modesty crusade in health care and I trust you will observe cultures differ in other countries but we should realize there are often valid criticisms of our culture by those from other countries.
Don't be stupid. Boys would feel embarrassed, they would feel less secure with their bodies exposed and feel vulnerable sexually, especially teasing, and in front of many people. How would you feel if in nude?
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Largelanguage wrote:
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Don't be stupid. Boys would feel embarrassed, they would feel less secure with their bodies exposed and feel vulnerable sexually, especially teasing, and in front of many people. How would you feel if in nude?
If "coyot e" were surrounded by nude 12- and 13- year-old boys, I'm sure he'd be delighted to be naked as well.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> If "coyot e" were surrounded by nude 12- and 13- year-old boys, I'm sure he'd be delighted to be naked as well.
Lol. PRE pubescent children he is attracted to? He's really insane!
coyote

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Jan 26, 2013
 
sorry fellas- try as much as you want but I like women- you obviously do not have the physical emotion which draws adult males to females and I sort of think you are missing some fun...... but then again Bigtalk and MM. be happy together and get the favorite sauce problem solved. The say MM's following in US use whip cream but really bigtalk that likely be bad on a kipper.... dont'cha think !!
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Jan 26, 2013
 
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sorry fellas- try as much as you want but I like women- you obviously do not have the physical emotion which draws adult males to females and I sort of think you are missing some fun...... but then again Bigtalk and MM. be happy together and get the favorite sauce problem solved. The say MM's following in US use whip cream but really bigtalk that likely be bad on a kipper.... dont'cha think !!
Of course I have sexual attraction to women moron. But maybe your use of the term physical emotion shows us how shallow you are and think it has a lot of depth when it doesn't.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
coyote wrote:
sorry fellas- try as much as you want but I like women- you obviously do not have the physical emotion which draws adult males to females and I sort of think you are missing some fun...... but then again Bigtalk and MM. be happy together and get the favorite sauce problem solved. The say MM's following in US use whip cream but really bigtalk that likely be bad on a kipper.... dont'cha think !!
Nah. That is terribly misleading. You may "like" women--you may even love them, as most well-adjusted homosexual men do--but you have no sexual attraction to them KO-yot e.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
I disagree MaltaMon. I believe homosexuals are sexually attracted to women because they are biologically buil that way, but their sexual attraction system in the brain has been distorted and also reacts wieht sexual attraction towards men as well, except a few, perhaps.
MaltaMon

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Jan 26, 2013
 
Largelanguage wrote:
I disagree MaltaMon. I believe homosexuals are sexually attracted to women because they are biologically buil that way, but their sexual attraction system in the brain has been distorted and also reacts wieht sexual attraction towards men as well, except a few, perhaps.
I always believed that sexual attraction was a function of the brain. Ever talk to a gay man about, say, cunnilingus? I haven't known one who doesn't find the mere thought of it utterly revolting, just as,you and I would any talk of gay "rimming". Then again, I know, or have known, gay men who have fathered children in the conventional manner, and that requires, of course, sexual attraction. Kinsey believed that all of us harbor a degree of bisexuality that varies from individual to individual. I can't say, however, that you are not right.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Coyote:
I know not what happened in Canada. I just know what happened in the USA. I was on the swim team in the 60's, and in college. My Dad was also. He tells me that was all hogwash.
I vividly recall being very stressed out in grade school at rumors we were all going to be examined by female Doctors or nurses. Never happened though-thank God! I bring this up as a point of reference to possible hysteria on rumors to what you purported.
Since I am at it I will also address a few other misconceptions, old wives tales as it were.
1-There was no such thing as things being different back in the old days regarding nudity for young males. As a matter of fact, modesty was in full force. I never saw or heard of some of the tripe others have said about that era which I grew up in.
There was always the freaks who were the exceptions to the norm like today. Mothers bathing older sons, or forcing them to play nude in the backyard swimming pool, or in mixed company.
I recall one instance of that happening and the entire neighborhood avoided them like the plague.
On of my playmates parents called the cops on them and it kind of went away after that.
2- Society did not regard the nudity of young males as anything serious back then, Nonsense. Nothing but made up crapola, false memory syndrome, etc. Perhaps past posters had dysfunctional families, but it was by no means anything close to a norm lol.
3-I do in fact think some mothers , for what ever reason,do not consider the modesty of their sons and yet will maintain a double standard regarding their daughters. I have been witnessed to several Dads who have in stepped in and stopped that kind of behavior. I cannot account for that kind of behavior either.
anyways, have a good weekend everyone.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> I always believed that sexual attraction was a function of the brain. Ever talk to a gay man about, say, cunnilingus? I haven't known one who doesn't find the mere thought of it utterly revolting, just as,you and I would any talk of gay "rimming". Then again, I know, or have known, gay men who have fathered children in the conventional manner, and that requires, of course, sexual attraction. Kinsey believed that all of us harbor a degree of bisexuality that varies from individual to individual. I can't say, however, that you are not right.
Actually homosexual men had the same sex hormones as women when tested, but straight men had sex hormones of men when sexual attraction was tested. Same with women who were homosexual having sexual attraction hormones similer to mens, and so you know. But the straight people didn't have both sexual attraction hormones, and neither did the gays.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
coyote wrote:
CaDad: I doubt so-called CFNM fetish orientated(if they exist) could care less. Your (way back when) comments usually related to inappropriate abuse of patient modesty in health care. Now, I am close to 60 and at jr. college it was mandatory males swim nude, we were aware of that from day one. Like it or lump it was the reply. We also had sub female instructors and on occasion female office staff would enter the area with messages etc. To my recollection there was not hue and cry of protest as it was accepted that was the way.... It is a bigger deal today by those who did not go through that period. No one would even today call me a CFNM fetishist (to my face) and get away with it.... if that is the experience to gain that label then it certainly exemplifies some people with evil thoughts. narrow minds and no knowledge. Heck- it was a norm to different extents-nothing else--- unrelated to modesty violations you specialize in reporting. My deep respect for you is due to your modesty crusade in health care and I trust you will observe cultures differ in other countries but we should realize there are often valid criticisms of our culture by those from other countries.
Coyote: The PT abuse I have recounted is a very real phenomenon today. The posts I made on various websites regarding this kind of behavior is actually pretty recent in the scheme of things and continues. But alas, Nurses has stopped any discussions regarding the topic, and we all know why too. Unfortunate, but there were quite a few supporters of our thread though:-]
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Coyote:
I know not what happened in Canada. I just know what happened in the USA. I was on the swim team in the 60's, and in college. My Dad was also. He tells me that was all hogwash.
I vividly recall being very stressed out in grade school at rumors we were all going to be examined by female Doctors or nurses. Never happened though-thank God! I bring this up as a point of reference to possible hysteria on rumors to what you purported.
Since I am at it I will also address a few other misconceptions, old wives tales as it were.
1-There was no such thing as things being different back in the old days regarding nudity for young males. As a matter of fact, modesty was in full force. I never saw or heard of some of the tripe others have said about that era which I grew up in.
There was always the freaks who were the exceptions to the norm like today. Mothers bathing older sons, or forcing them to play nude in the backyard swimming pool, or in mixed company.
I recall one instance of that happening and the entire neighborhood avoided them like the plague.
On of my playmates parents called the cops on them and it kind of went away after that.
2- Society did not regard the nudity of young males as anything serious back then, Nonsense. Nothing but made up crapola, false memory syndrome, etc. Perhaps past posters had dysfunctional families, but it was by no means anything close to a norm lol.
3-I do in fact think some mothers , for what ever reason,do not consider the modesty of their sons and yet will maintain a double standard regarding their daughters. I have been witnessed to several Dads who have in stepped in and stopped that kind of behavior. I cannot account for that kind of behavior either.
anyways, have a good weekend everyone.
Unfortunately, Mr. CalDad's claim that boys never swam naked in high school gym classes in the USA is seriously in error. As I related earlier on this thread, this did occur in Los Angeles High School in Los Angeles Ca. and probably in the other high school in that city that had an indoor pool. This was late 50s and only ended in the mid seventies after the city lost a law suit filed by a parents group and a feminist group. I know, I was there. I can't comment on other high schools in the USA, but there is sufficient evidence published in mainstream newspapers (e.g. Houston, Tx. and Duluth, Mn.) that indicates that this was not a one off. This has nothing to do with the CFNM fetish as the swim sessions were single sex, the life guard and gym instructors were male and no female teachers entered the pool area during these sessions (if any had, they probably would have been fired forthwith). I also posted a comment earlier on this thread with a link to a web site where the site owner posted a comment that her father had also attended the same high school in the early 60s and had informed her that nude swimming for boys was de regeur at that time.
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I can only recount from personal experience and that of my Dads that dates way back to the 40's.
I can believe if it did in fact happen where you said it happened there were no females allowed, period. You saying that gives you some credence.
Every single school up north where this claim was made I have personally researched, and guess what, never happened. It was amusing asking the question lol, and the response I got!But hey, it was kind a fun.
There were instances where nudest clubs rented out though.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
SLC: I agree but CaDad is open to express his personal experiences (he makes that very clear) and despite what he wants to think, you are correct the swimming au natural for boys was common in facilities that had pools. It is well documented and oddly it seem those who were not exposed to the mandatory program are the most upset- most who did have to participate simply shrugged it off and carried on. CaDad- yes the allnurses folks sure must have realized they had "some" unethical members and soon deleted the threads u refer-- also- I think the increasing no. of male nurses is a concern for them and likely some heat from some female patient lobby groups as the "times are a changing" tune seeps out. Naturally you are and shall be as diligent in reporting modesty violations performed by male nurses as well. That is the moral of your crusade I feel.
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coyote wrote:
SLC: I agree but CaDad is open to express his personal experiences (he makes that very clear) and despite what he wants to think, you are correct the swimming au natural for boys was common in facilities that had pools. It is well documented and oddly it seem those who were not exposed to the mandatory program are the most upset- most who did have to participate simply shrugged it off and carried on. CaDad- yes the allnurses folks sure must have realized they had "some" unethical members and soon deleted the threads u refer-- also- I think the increasing no. of male nurses is a concern for them and likely some heat from some female patient lobby groups as the "times are a changing" tune seeps out. Naturally you are and shall be as diligent in reporting modesty violations performed by male nurses as well. That is the moral of your crusade I feel.
Let's be clear about this, it only happened in high schools that had indoor pools. My information is that there were 4 high school in the City of Los Angeles that had pools, 2 were indoor and 2 were outdoor. I would be willing to bet big bucks that boys wore swim suits in the 2 schools that had outdoor pools.

Although I attended UC Berkeley for 4 years after graduating from high school, I don't know what the policy was in high schools in the San Francisco Bay area or how many of them, if any, had indoor pools. AFAIK, the university had an indoor pool but I don't know what the policy was there as I never went swimming while there.
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Jan 26, 2013
 
Well at least we understand one another Coyote lol.
I actually do not find your claim " well documented". What I do find are nudest club pics, etc.etc.I respectfully do not find an meaningful data on the subject, Tiresias as it may be.
And, yea-I am an advocate for respect for male modesty, but I actually openly support the right of females also. I find it appalling that a certain segment of our population ( Male and Female) who happen to be in the care business really think they have the right to have access to anyone clothed or not simply because they are in the care giver business.
I am telling you that some of these so called Doctors and Nurses have hidden agenda's, I can cite chapter and verse,case after case of litigated case where their so called holier then thou attitudes was all BS.
We are simply Human with all sorts of failings, but to tell me because your in a so called profession your able to turn off part of what you are is simply laughable.
It is time we all fess up to the issues and deal with them in a humane way. After all, we are not automobiles in a production line, as mush as the medical profession would like your to believe.
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Now that I recall, after some cogitating, that UC Berkeley also had an outdoor pool.

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