MaltaMon

Reading, PA

#629 Dec 20, 2012
I don't doubt that you witnessed those things. My guidance counselor gave me a black eye in 8th grade. He was quietly dispatched from the district at the end of the year, but not as the result of complaints from my parents. They punished me for pissing the guy off enough that he'd want to slug me. Even the grant by state statute to faculty of the authority to act "in loco parentis" while school was in session, that didn't extend to overt brutality or, especially, to enabling females of any age or position walking into any room in which even one boy was naked. It definitely did not allow for the administration of corporal punishment to a naked student. Yet that writer whom I challenged would have us believe that both were perfectly normal--physical punishment of an adolescent boy who stands at poolside--itself an activity that was prohibited--while that boy was completely nude, and the entering of a space occupied by naked male adolescents by a female faculty member. Seems that an awful lot of women on high school faculties strolled in, by design or by mistake, to swim classes of naked teenaged boys. But only according to these fetishists--not to anyone who is credible. It simply is not plausible. Only titillating to those who get off on that sort of thing.
RICH P

Lancaster, NY

#630 Dec 21, 2012
I think the reasoning behind swimming nude in jr/sr high in the 70's was the fact most boys would come to swimming class without suits. I myself always liked the swimming in the nude. I never saw any females teachers or students it was just myself and about 20 other nude boys. I found it kind of funny to see my classmates walk by me with there penis swaying back and forth as they walked by me.
RICH P

Lancaster, NY

#631 Dec 21, 2012
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> I can't wait to see what DJW makes of this. Don't know why you would want to mention your father's "dong", however. My father's dick never enters my thoughts--not when I think of him, not when I think of anything. I can understand why nude swimming can be fun as a kid, but what would be fun about swimming with a bunch of men in the altogether? Seriously. Even if we like the feeling of swimming naked, if I were with a group other men of whatever age, I'm not so sure I'd want to see them nude.. Lol.. Kids, on the other hand, might enjoy thrill of doing something that goes against convention. When I was a kid, I enjoyed skinny dipping. Not looking to do it now, though. Guess I would be a terrible drag as a nudist. To each his own.
The point I was trying to make was being around a nude male was normal for me. So swimming nude in school was not a problem. Has my childhood experiences affected me? of course. I never claimed to be normal. Y ou don't have to believe me but that was my childhood.
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Kingsport, TN

#632 Dec 21, 2012
RICH P wrote:
<quoted text>The point I was trying to make was being around a nude male was normal for me. So swimming nude in school was not a problem. Has my childhood experiences affected me? of course. I never claimed to be normal. Y ou don't have to believe me but that was my childhood.
Another firsthand account disputing Phil the Pill's same-gender communal nudity homophobia.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#633 Dec 21, 2012
MaltaMon wrote:
I don't doubt that you witnessed those things. My guidance counselor gave me a black eye in 8th grade. He was quietly dispatched from the district at the end of the year, but not as the result of complaints from my parents. They punished me for pissing the guy off enough that he'd want to slug me. Even the grant by state statute to faculty of the authority to act "in loco parentis" while school was in session, that didn't extend to overt brutality or, especially, to enabling females of any age or position walking into any room in which even one boy was naked. It definitely did not allow for the administration of corporal punishment to a naked student. Yet that writer whom I challenged would have us believe that both were perfectly normal--physical punishment of an adolescent boy who stands at poolside--itself an activity that was prohibited--while that boy was completely nude, and the entering of a space occupied by naked male adolescents by a female faculty member. Seems that an awful lot of women on high school faculties strolled in, by design or by mistake, to swim classes of naked teenaged boys. But only according to these fetishists--not to anyone who is credible. It simply is not plausible. Only titillating to those who get off on that sort of thing.
You're being unreasonable.
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Kingsport, TN

#634 Dec 21, 2012
FortySomething wrote:
<quoted text>
You're being unreasonable.
you're being a sixtysomething CFNM fetishist. Voy forums needs you.
MaltaMon

Reading, PA

#635 Dec 21, 2012
FortySomething wrote:
<quoted text>
You're being unreasonable.
You have offered no evidence that would render at all plausible those activities that I referred to (from that other guy's tale). It is one thing to administer physical punishment to students, which was permitted "back then" in a number ofstates, including mine. It is quite a leap from there to administering corpiral punishment to a student in a piol area, where the kid might react in a way that endangers himself or others. He could fall in.(unreasonable, eh? Teachers have to keep the pool area safe. Think about it). It is an even greater leap, now, to allow that teacher to physically assault a completely naked student, whether at poolside or in a safer location. And then there are the females on the faculty and staff who casually found their way into the boys' swim classes all the time, which has nothing at all to do with the sort of attitude and behavior that was considered normal between male teachers and male students, and that you offer as evidence to support the accounts of these adult female intrusions upon groups of their school's own completely naked male students. You suggest that there is a "reasonable" link between them?
Phil

Manchester, UK

#636 Dec 21, 2012
Censored By T-O-P-I-X-com wrote:
<quoted text>
Another firsthand account disputing Phil the Pill's same-gender communal nudity homophobia.
Your problem, Censored is that you are so stupid you will offer this one solitary person's account as evidence somehow that ALL boys and men (or 99% in your words) would or must have enjoyed nude swimming and if they didn't they must be abnormal.
Also note he said he was affected by it, so we may possibly infer that it was not all in a good way.
Just to clarify an issue, I don't have problems with shared showers or locker rooms. I have used both as a boy and a man but I simply suggest that if a boy or man chooses not to use them or prefers a cubicle there is nothing wrong with that.
Perhaps you would be better spending your time explaining why girls must have cubicles and be suited but boys once had to go nude and (still) share showers. If you could explain that or campaign against the double standards I might take you seriously.
MaltaMon

Reading, PA

#637 Dec 21, 2012
Look, all the abuse of naked pubescent and adolescent boys may be the stuff of a compelling story, but it simply isn't historically accurate. We didn't grow up in Caligula's Rome; we weren't schooled at Abu Graib. Those who insist on the systemically sanctioned abuse of naked male students in public schools--and that would include permitting their subjection to the presence of female faculty in their midst--are fantasizing or are gullible as hell. Or they have another agenda which, by its very nature, has nothing to do with reason.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#638 Dec 21, 2012
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> You have offered no evidence that would render at all plausible those activities that I referred to (from that other guy's tale). It is one thing to administer physical punishment to students, which was permitted "back then" in a number ofstates, including mine. It is quite a leap from there to administering corpiral punishment to a student in a piol area, where the kid might react in a way that endangers himself or others. He could fall in.(unreasonable, eh? Teachers have to keep the pool area safe. Think about it). It is an even greater leap, now, to allow that teacher to physically assault a completely naked student, whether at poolside or in a safer location. And then there are the females on the faculty and staff who casually found their way into the boys' swim classes all the time, which has nothing at all to do with the sort of attitude and behavior that was considered normal between male teachers and male students, and that you offer as evidence to support the accounts of these adult female intrusions upon groups of their school's own completely naked male students. You suggest that there is a "reasonable" link between them?
Please don't forget to take your medication and I hope you get better soon.
MaltaMon

Reading, PA

#639 Dec 21, 2012
You smug, closeted perverted weirdo. Go on promoting your fetishist fiction. Sensible, honest adults know that these tittilating tales of sexual abuse of students sanctioned by public school districts are just masturbation material that have no basis in historical fact. You won't convince them with your CFNM-NAMBLA nonsense And the nonsense, indeed, is monumental.
stan taff

Wabash, IN

#640 Dec 21, 2012
I swam nude in a Catholic high school in Milwaukee, mid 1970s. The practice had been phased out by the time my younger brother was a sophomore, in 1979. At the time I really did not feel it was such a big deal. We had to shower after gym and after sports practices in open shower areas with no privacy stalls. This would have happened, presumably, even if our school did not have a swimming pool. The school was an all-boys institution, so there was no question of girls being present. There were female teachers in the school, but none were coaches or were in the phys. ed. department. Whether or not one of the women teachers ever came around the pool area- I would have no way of knowing that. Also, we swam nude at the YMCA when I was younger, so swimming nude in high school was not a big deal or a cause for any trepidation. Of course, if I were a kid today I would have never submitted to it.
As far as the CFNM issue is concerned, I guess it is remotely possible that YMCAs in the 1950s or earlier did have nude swim meets with mixed company present. My guess is that public meets required suits, but that may not have been the practice everywhere. My own experience of nude swimming at the Y and in high school was that it was in a very strictly regulated all-male atmosphere. Care was taken so that no female, girl or woman, could possibly peek at the naked boys.
Rocky

New York, NY

#641 Dec 21, 2012
stan taff wrote:
I swam nude in a Catholic high school in Milwaukee, mid 1970s. The practice had been phased out by the time my younger brother was a sophomore, in 1979. At the time I really did not feel it was such a big deal. We had to shower after gym and after sports practices in open shower areas with no privacy stalls. This would have happened, presumably, even if our school did not have a swimming pool. The school was an all-boys institution, so there was no question of girls being present. There were female teachers in the school, but none were coaches or were in the phys. ed. department. Whether or not one of the women teachers ever came around the pool area- I would have no way of knowing that. Also, we swam nude at the YMCA when I was younger, so swimming nude in high school was not a big deal or a cause for any trepidation. Of course, if I were a kid today I would have never submitted to it.
As far as the CFNM issue is concerned, I guess it is remotely possible that YMCAs in the 1950s or earlier did have nude swim meets with mixed company present. My guess is that public meets required suits, but that may not have been the practice everywhere. My own experience of nude swimming at the Y and in high school was that it was in a very strictly regulated all-male atmosphere. Care was taken so that no female, girl or woman, could possibly peek at the naked boys.
Catholic school? We all know why catholic school would want nude swimming.The priests surely insisted on it.Those perverts deserve to be in jail.
MaltaMon

Merchantville, NJ

#642 Dec 21, 2012
Rocky wrote:
<quoted text>
Catholic school? We all know why catholic school works want nude swimming.The priests surely insisted on it.Those perverts deserve to be in jail.
One by one, those who are still around are starting to be convicted . But far too many got away with it in their lifetimes, and now they're gone. And the Church keeps closing schools, combining parishes, and selling off the abandoned buildings,and other properties to developers to pay the attorneys. The Vatican, with its enormous wealth, doesn't help them out. They all but deny responsibility, and when it comes to restitution, the big celibate wigs in Rome avoid it. They leave it to the locals.
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Maryville, TN

#643 Dec 22, 2012
stan taff wrote:
Whether or not one of the women teachers ever came around the pool area- I would have no way of knowing that.
As far as the CFNM issue is concerned, I guess it is remotely possible that YMCAs in the 1950s or earlier did have nude swim meets with mixed company present. My guess is that public meets required suits, but that may not have been the practice everywhere.
This "CFNM historian" is obviously SLC under a new alias. He can't post anything without speculating about fictional CFNM events which never occurred.
MaltaMon

Merchantville, NJ

#644 Dec 22, 2012
It isn't enough to claim naked swim meets. They have to strain credulity further still by opening them to the public.
DJW

Christchurch, UK

#645 Dec 22, 2012
Censored By T-O-P-I-X-com wrote:
<quoted text>
This "CFNM historian" is obviously SLC under a new alias. He can't post anything without speculating about fictional CFNM events which never occurred.
It makes no difference whether females were present or not. The fact is compelled nude swimming in educational institutions is abuse full stop!

Were females subjected to nude swimming? No at best it happened on a "voluntary" basis in Michigan in the late 1940's

Whereas it was forced on males in most US districts.

Title iX was introduced by the Federal Government over the period of 1972-1979 because Conscription had failed in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

The US Government realised it no longer needed male "cannon fodder" and so no longer needed to prepare boys for the military lifestyle by forced showers and nude swimming.

This was reinforced by the fact than POL POT rolled into Pnomh Penh on 17 April 1975 and the North Vietnamese Army into Saigon on 30 April 1975.

Soon after the Ford administration issued a further directive in 1975 stating how far Title iX went and institutions had to put aside the same amount of money for male swimsuits as they did for female swim suits.

The US government gave institutions 3 further years to comply, meaning nude swimming ended by 1979.

Not long after that many universities dropped their "Swim Test" requirements and soon many schools allowed pupils to bring their own swim suits and towels to swimming rather than have them "laundered" by the District.

No amount of compensation can ever truly reflect the degradation these male pupils had to go through just so "Uncle Sam" could prepare its draft fodder.

But we must ensure this American Paedophilic atrocity never happens again.

In fact we should do more, Censored.

Abolish pre draft registraton for all US males.

Make PE voluntary in all US educational institutions.

Ensure that no male goes topless in the US school pool by requiring all boys to wear triathlon suits.

Changing cubicles for all US pupils so boys and girls cannot see each other naked.

All showers to be done with swimsuits on. Keep privates private.

Merry Xmas Y'all in Tennessee and happy Non- Nude year!:-)
DJW

Christchurch, UK

#646 Dec 22, 2012
MaltaMon wrote:
It isn't enough to claim naked swim meets. They have to strain credulity further still by opening them to the public.
Title IX became law on June 23, 1972.[9] When President Nixon signed the bill, he spoke mostly about desegregation busing, which was also a focus of the signed bill, but did not mention the expansion of educational access for women he had enacted.[5]

[edit] ImplementationThe wording of Title IX is very brief, requiring specific language and clarifications to be articulated in its implementing regulations. President Nixon directed the Department of Health, Education and Welfare (HEW) to carry this out.[1]

Concern over how Title IX would affect men's athletics prompted some to look for ways to limit the influence of Title IX, and Senator Bayh spent the next three years keeping watch over HEW to get regulations formulated that carried out its legislative intent of eliminating discrimination in higher education on the basis of sex.[5] When they were issued in summer 1975 they were contested, and hearings were held by the House Subcommittee on Equal Opportunities on the discrepancies between the regulations and the law. Implementation by colleges and universities also had to be monitored, although many were working to comply. One such attempt was made in 1974 by Senator John Tower who introduced the Tower Amendment, which would have exempted revenue-producing sports from Title IX compliance.[10] Later that year the Tower Amendment was rejected and the Javits Amendment, proposed by Senator Jacob Javits, stating that the HEW must include “reasonable provisions considering the nature of particular sports” was adopted in its place.[1]

In June 1975, HEW published the final regulations detailing how Title IX would be enforced.[1] The regulations were codified in the Federal Register in Volume 34, Part 106. It was not until this step was completed that many people truly understood the ramifications of Title IX as it would apply to college athletics. Universities receiving Federal financial assistance were given three years to comply with the Title IX regulations.[9] The NCAA claimed that the implementation of Title IX was illegal. A revised Tower Amendment was proposed and many debates occurred[vague] but Title IX stood.[1]

In 1979, HEW, under Jimmy Carter's administration, issued further clarifications in its "Intercollegiate Athletics Policy Interpretation".[11][12]

In 1980, HEW was split into two separate agencies in accordance with the Department of Education Organization Act - the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and the Department of Education (ED).[10] Oversight of Title IX enforcement and implementation was given to ED's Office for Civil Rights (OCR).[13]
SLC

Arlington, VA

#647 Dec 22, 2012
Censored By T-O-P-I-X-com wrote:
<quoted text>
This "CFNM historian" is obviously SLC under a new alias. He can't post anything without speculating about fictional CFNM events which never occurred.
Mr. censored is full of shit. I have never, on any blog or forum, posted using any moniker then SLC. He is also a liar as furthermore, I have never speculated about unstaged CFNM events. I described two instances where I was present when a girl inadvertently exited from the girl's locker room onto a ramp leading to the pool area at LA High School and beat a hasty retreat upon observing boys standing on the apron at the shallow end of the pool. I agree with Mr. censored and Mr. Maltomon that such upstaged events, if and when they they occurred, were few and far between.
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Maryville, TN

#648 Dec 22, 2012
SLC wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. censored is full of shit. I have never, on any blog or forum, posted using any moniker then SLC. He is also a liar as furthermore, I have never speculated about unstaged CFNM events. I described two instances where I was present when a girl inadvertently exited from the girl's locker room onto a ramp leading to the pool area at LA High School and beat a hasty retreat upon observing boys standing on the apron at the shallow end of the pool. I agree with Mr. censored and Mr. Maltomon that such upstaged events, if and when they they occurred, were few and far between.
You're NOT in agreement with us at all! We both say they NEVER occurred, not "few and far". Don't you dare tar us with your warped, fetishized view of the past.

Notice the fetishist had to sneak in another mention of his phony "accidental ramp CFNM" story. What a crock! The pool area was either secured or it was wide open, make up your damn mind. "Accidents" as described are another CFNM dream from his fevered imagination.

I stand by my charge. SLCFNM is "stan" and many other aliases

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