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DJW wrote:
Poor Censored by topix, stunted in his manhood by his controlling, dominant, clothed Elvis who brainwashed him into his belief Elvis is not dead in gracelands Tennessee but is a CIA agent monitoring Coyotes naked skinny dipping off the Artic circle in Canada, that all males love being nude together & should shower with Sandusky and interviewed by clothed female journalists.
What a sad, scared existence Censored has led cleaning his M16 assault rifle outside Kingsport Elementary school.
No logic whatsoever in this statement. Just the latest in an unending series of increasingly insane-and inane-rants from this decidedly unhinged chap.
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DJ- come to think about it- at the dip parties at the Arctic a fat man carrying a guitar and wearing fancy jumpsuits has been seen but our female supervisor id'd it as a "skimo" dressed in shiny suit to attract seals and what looked like a guitar was an AK47- will have a better look in Jan. when in that area and let u know !!! Wow- you do not suppose......! gotta call 'cilla...!
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I'm still around,but even I have no comment at this point...
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I'm still around,but even I have no comment at this point...
The most perceptive, most intelligent thing you have ever said here.
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Boys only nude swimming creates discrimination:
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Although it didn't apply to me personally, I found an interesting news article about nude swimming by female students in Highland Park. For those of us who wonder why the double standard, this article puts the former values of the era into perspective. According to this article, girls requested that they be allowed to swim nude in school, as the boys had been doing, so that they could have more time to spend in the pool. But unlike the boys, the mothers didn't approve of their daughters swimming nude, and petitioned the school superintendent, who yielded to their protests ending the nude swimming only after six weeks in one of the schools. The article mentions that girls swam nude in three schools. I suppose that it wasn't long before the other two also halted nude swimming among the girls as well.

My guess is that had the Michigan schools had their way, all students would swim nude, and I that the only reason that boys swam nude whereas girls did not was due to the intolerance expressed by the students' parents. It seems that parents are more to blame for the double standard than the schools themselves.

The articles are from 1947. I've included the two articles below and also provided links to the original pdf scans too for those who are skeptical.

Rules Girls Must Wear Swim Suits
School Board at Detroit Acts After Mothers Protest
DETROIT (AP)— Young girls of the Liberty school in Highland Park were directed today to don their swim suits before they go near the waters of the swimming pool.
Superintendent of Schools H. L. Shibler said the mandate was In deference to a group of mothers who protested to the board of education Tuesday night that their daughters were bathing nude in the school pool.
The 150 girls at the school range in age from nine to 13.
Doctor Shibler said nude bathing will continue among approximately 200 other girls in two other elementary schools.
Boys In the schools have not worn suits for years. Doctor Shibler said, adding, however, that the girls were segregated during gym classes and are directed by women instructors. He said there was no encroachment on their privacy.
Mrs Leo Wessinger, mother of a 13-year-oid daughter, told the board: "Personally I see no reason for girls at these schools going swimming In the nude. It is just going In lower their moral standard and get them off on the wrong foot."
Mrs Ann Brenner told the board members:"We are all alarmed about this freedom the girls have been given. There is no telling what It could lead to and we want it stopped at once."
Doctor Shibler said the wearing of suits was made optional at the request of girls in the three schools six weeks ago to give them more time in the pools during their twice-weekly physical education classes.
"In deference to the mothers, we are directing the girls at Liberty school to wear suits," Doctor Shibler said. "There is no moral issue involved here whatsoever. I don't care either way, myself. The more the finger of shame is pointed the worse It is for these girls, they become more conscious of themselves."
While the males on the board of education maintained a discreet silence, Mrs. Helen Fields, only woman member, agreed with Doctor Schibler that "no moral issue is involved. This type of discussion I think is not going to lead to anything constructive to discuss," she added.
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Boys only nude swimming creates discrimination:
Although it didn't apply to me personally, I found an interesting news article about nude swimming by female students in Highland Park. For those of us who wonder why the double standard, this article puts the former values of the era into perspective. According to this article, girls requested that they be allowed to swim nude in school, as the boys had been doing, so that they could have more time to spend in the pool. But unlike the boys, the mothers didn't approve of their daughters swimming nude, and petitioned the school superintendent, who yielded to their protests ending the nude swimming only after six weeks in one of the schools. The article mentions that girls swam nude in three schools. I suppose that it wasn't long before the other two also halted nude swimming among the girls as well.
My guess is that had the Michigan schools had their way, all students would swim nude, and I that the only reason that boys swam nude whereas girls did not was due to the intolerance expressed by the students' parents. It seems that parents are more to blame for the double standard than the schools themselves.
The articles are from 1947. I've included the two articles below and also provided links to the original pdf scans too for those who are skeptical.
Rules Girls Must Wear Swim Suits
School Board at Detroit Acts After Mothers Protest
DETROIT (AP)— Young girls of the Liberty school in Highland Park were directed today to don their swim suits before they go near the waters of the swimming pool.
Superintendent of Schools H. L. Shibler said the mandate was In deference to a group of mothers who protested to the board of education Tuesday night that their daughters were bathing nude in the school pool.
The 150 girls at the school range in age from nine to 13.
Doctor Shibler said nude bathing will continue among approximately 200 other girls in two other elementary schools.
Boys In the schools have not worn suits for years. Doctor Shibler said, adding, however, that the girls were segregated during gym classes and are directed by women instructors. He said there was no encroachment on their privacy.
Mrs Leo Wessinger, mother of a 13-year-oid daughter, told the board: "Personally I see no reason for girls at these schools going swimming In the nude. It is just going In lower their moral standard and get them off on the wrong foot."
Mrs Ann Brenner told the board members:"We are all alarmed about this freedom the girls have been given. There is no telling what It could lead to and we want it stopped at once."
Doctor Shibler said the wearing of suits was made optional at the request of girls in the three schools six weeks ago to give them more time in the pools during their twice-weekly physical education classes.
"In deference to the mothers, we are directing the girls at Liberty school to wear suits," Doctor Shibler said. "There is no moral issue involved here whatsoever. I don't care either way, myself. The more the finger of shame is pointed the worse It is for these girls, they become more conscious of themselves."
While the males on the board of education maintained a discreet silence, Mrs. Helen Fields, only woman member, agreed with Doctor Schibler that "no moral issue is involved. This type of discussion I think is not going to lead to anything constructive to discuss," she added.
More "wishful school CFNM" fantasy fiction by DJW, the pathetic CFNM fetishist, stunted in his manhood by brainwashing from his dominant controlling Mommy.

Were you and Phil ruined by the same Mother perhaps? Brothers??
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Muslim Heritage student must attend swimming lessons
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The Hessian Administrative Court dismissed the lawsuit of a Muslim high school student in Frankfurt, who for religious reasons did not want to attend swimming lessons at their school. The court gave the headmaster right who had pointed to the possibility of the student Burkinis.The Hessian Administrative Court (VGH) has made it difficult Muslim students to be exempt for religious reasons from mixed swimming lessons. The Kassel judges reported on Friday dismissed the appeal of a twelve year old high school student from Frankfurt, which had refused in the past school year to learn along with their male classmates swimming.

The girl wanted to find court that they had been wrongfully committed to participate. The Senate, however, declared the action of the head teacher as shown by the lower court to be legal. The director, the then fifthgraders on a so-called burkini – referenced and rejected its request for exemption – a swimsuit that can only head and hands.
Freedom of religion or state education commission. The plaintiff had claimed that their Islamic faith prohibits to show itself against boys or men in bathing suits. It adds that, and they would not see their male classmates half naked.“I would love to swim, but only if there are swimming lessons for girls who dress themselves properly and not just wear a bikini,” said the student, adding,“I take seriously my religion.”

Burkini ban on swimmers in Oberhausen

Strictly religious Muslim families can not continue to go swimming with so-called Burkinis in the public baths of Oberhausen. The full-body suits are prohibited for reasons of hygiene – and it should remain that way.Her lawyer Klaus Meissner referred to a judgment of the Federal Administrative Court in 1993, which had granted a similar case of religious freedom takes precedence over the public education mission.
Girls should wear full-body suit The VGH saw in the case of the young Frankfurter differently – even 19 years ago because it had not yet given the alternative burkini. The girl was wearing was unreasonable this full body suit, said court president Karl-Hans Rothaug. And since they are not the normal mixed-sex physical education also refused, they seem to stand the sight of fully clothed boys can not quite.
Integration
Ministry sees as an opportunity for tolerance burkini
Oberhausen will prevail despite all the criticism that Muslim girls are allowed also in the body suit “burkini” in swimming pools. This was previously banned from hygiene reasons. Many Muslim women therefore not take part in swimming lessons.”The fact that they then one or the other young naked upper body gets to see, must accept it for the sake of integration,” said Rothaug. However, he stressed that it was an individual decision. It has also played a role here, that the applicant had not yet reached puberty and that she was going to a school with a very high proportion of children from immigrant families.

The law against that judgment was to the VGH. If the girl wants to move now before the Federal Administrative Court, let z prosecution lawyer Meissner.

It is time for Censored to support the right of the individual and oppose compelled swim lessons! No to PE conscription Maltamon :-)
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This "bloke" is a damaged, wandering soul.
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MaltaMon wrote:
This "bloke" is a damaged, wandering soul.
Time to join the wandering soul and support muslim rights in Germany and all those who want more privacy.

Is it right that school girls have to see boys topless in the swimming pool?

Is it fair that girls are denied the right to wear burkini's and boys torso covering triathlon suits?

Should school kids be forced to do swimming to aid state sponsored "integration" in Germany!

As usual I leave the answers to the gentleman from Birdsboro Pennsylvania and his confederate counterpart in Kingsport, Tennessee!
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Time to join the wandering soul and support muslim rights in Germany and all those who want more privacy.
Is it right that school girls have to see boys topless in the swimming pool?
Is it fair that girls are denied the right to wear burkini's and boys torso covering triathlon suits?
Should school kids be forced to do swimming to aid state sponsored "integration" in Germany!
As usual I leave the answers to the gentleman from Birdsboro Pennsylvania and his confederate counterpart in Kingsport, Tennessee!
Don't be silly.
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Your "topless" boy obsession is indicative of an enormously dysfunctional view of what constitutes nudity.. A swimming pool isn't a restaurant or a concert hall. Swimsuits for boys and men do not include tops because they, boys and men, don't want them. If they did, the suits would be made and sold with tops. Put on a tee shirt or stay out of the water altogether if you feel differently.
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Perhaps the real solution to all of this is to make phys. ed. itself voluntary instead of mandatory, just as team sports are voluntary and not mandatory. That would solve whatever debates are left over. Btw didn't nackt swimming go out more than 30 years ago?
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If you make it voluntary you might as well abolish it altogether. Who would give up a free class period or study hall for phys ed? Athletic kids will be involved in yeam sports anyway. But chilhood and adolescent obesity has more than doubled since 1975. Kids are far more sedentary than ever. They don't play outside. To begin making state-mandated educational requirements is to head down a slippery slope. And to indulge a child's unreasoning terror of nudity--to encourage it rather than to address his phobia-- when nude is what all human beings are under our man-made armour, is to sow the seeds of terrible adult dysfunction. No, it isn't a solution.
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(**that should read,"To begin making state-mandated educational requirements voluntary is to head down a slippery slope.")

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Although it didn't apply to me personally, I found an interesting news article about nude swimming by female students in Highland Park. For those of us who wonder why the double standard, this article puts the former values of the era into perspective. According to this article, girls requested that they be allowed to swim nude in school, as the boys had been doing, so that they could have more time to spend in the pool. But unlike the boys, the mothers didn't approve of their daughters swimming nude, and petitioned the school superintendent, who yielded to their protests ending the nude swimming only after six weeks in one of the schools. The article mentions that girls swam nude in three schools. I suppose that it wasn't long before the other two also halted nude swimming among the girls as well.
My guess is that had the Michigan schools had their way, all students would swim nude, and I that the only reason that boys swam nude whereas girls did not was due to the intolerance expressed by the students' parents. It seems that parents are more to blame for the double standard than the schools themselves.
The articles are from 1947. I've included the two articles below and also provided links to the original pdf scans too for those who are skeptical.
Rules Girls Must Wear Swim Suits
School Board at Detroit Acts After Mothers Protest
DETROIT (AP)— Young girls of the Liberty school in Highland Park were directed today to don their swim suits before they go near the waters of the swimming pool.
Superintendent of Schools H. L. Shibler said the mandate was In deference to a group of mothers who protested to the board of education Tuesday night that their daughters were bathing nude in the school pool.
The 150 girls at the school range in age from nine to 13.
Doctor Shibler said nude bathing will continue among approximately 200 other girls in two other elementary schools.
Boys In the schools have not worn suits for years. Doctor Shibler said, adding, however, that the girls were segregated during gym classes and are directed by women instructors. He said there was no encroachment on their privacy.
Mrs Leo Wessinger, mother of a 13-year-oid daughter, told the board: "Personally I see no reason for girls at these schools going swimming In the nude. It is just going In lower their moral standard and get them off on the wrong foot."
Mrs Ann Brenner told the board members:"We are all alarmed about this freedom the girls have been given. There is no telling what It could lead to and we want it stopped at once."
Doctor Shibler said the wearing of suits was made optional at the request of girls in the three schools six weeks ago to give them more time in the pools during their twice-weekly physical education classes.
"In deference to the mothers, we are directing the girls at Liberty school to wear suits," Doctor Shibler said. "There is no moral issue involved here whatsoever. I don't care either way, myself. The more the finger of shame is pointed the worse It is for these girls, they become more conscious of themselves."
While the males on the board of education maintained a discreet silence, Mrs. Helen Fields, only woman member, agreed with Doctor Schibler that "no moral issue is involved. This type of discussion I think is not going to lead to anything constructive to discuss," she added.
What about the menstrual cycle? I would have thought that it would exclude girls from being allowed to swim nude especially since the rule was supposedly about keeping the pool clean.

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Although it didn't apply to me personally, I found an interesting news article about nude swimming by female students in Highland Park. For those of us who wonder why the double standard, this article puts the former values of the era into perspective. According to this article, girls requested that they be allowed to swim nude in school, as the boys had been doing, so that they could have more time to spend in the pool. But unlike the boys, the mothers didn't approve of their daughters swimming nude, and petitioned the school superintendent, who yielded to their protests ending the nude swimming only after six weeks in one of the schools. The article mentions that girls swam nude in three schools. I suppose that it wasn't long before the other two also halted nude swimming among the girls as well.
My guess is that had the Michigan schools had their way, all students would swim nude, and I that the only reason that boys swam nude whereas girls did not was due to the intolerance expressed by the students' parents. It seems that parents are more to blame for the double standard than the schools themselves.
The articles are from 1947. I've included the two articles below and also provided links to the original pdf scans too for those who are skeptical.
Rules Girls Must Wear Swim Suits
School Board at Detroit Acts After Mothers Protest
DETROIT (AP)— Young girls of the Liberty school in Highland Park were directed today to don their swim suits before they go near the waters of the swimming pool.
Superintendent of Schools H. L. Shibler said the mandate was In deference to a group of mothers who protested to the board of education Tuesday night that their daughters were bathing nude in the school pool.
The 150 girls at the school range in age from nine to 13.
Doctor Shibler said nude bathing will continue among approximately 200 other girls in two other elementary schools.
Boys In the schools have not worn suits for years. Doctor Shibler said, adding, however, that the girls were segregated during gym classes and are directed by women instructors. He said there was no encroachment on their privacy.
Mrs Leo Wessinger, mother of a 13-year-oid daughter, told the board: "Personally I see no reason for girls at these schools going swimming In the nude. It is just going In lower their moral standard and get them off on the wrong foot."
Mrs Ann Brenner told the board members:"We are all alarmed about this freedom the girls have been given. There is no telling what It could lead to and we want it stopped at once."
Doctor Shibler said the wearing of suits was made optional at the request of girls in the three schools six weeks ago to give them more time in the pools during their twice-weekly physical education classes.
"In deference to the mothers, we are directing the girls at Liberty school to wear suits," Doctor Shibler said. "There is no moral issue involved here whatsoever. I don't care either way, myself. The more the finger of shame is pointed the worse It is for these girls, they become more conscious of themselves."
While the males on the board of education maintained a discreet silence, Mrs. Helen Fields, only woman member, agreed with Doctor Schibler that "no moral issue is involved. This type of discussion I think is not going to lead to anything constructive to discuss," she added.
What about the menstrual cycle? I would have thought it would exclude girls, especially since the rule was about keeping the pool clean.
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My high school did have nude swimming for guys. The gals swam in suits on opposite days.
We only did swimming in one of my 4 yrs. in HS. Problems with the repair of the pool kept it out of action for most of the time.
It seems to me that the whole issue is somewhat overblown. Only a relatively small percentage of high schools actually have their own pools, and only some of those with pools had nude swimming.
Plus, I would assume that whatever nude swimming there was had ended by the late 1970s, or perhaps earlier. My kid does not even shower after gym, so it seems as though things have swung very far the other way.
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tom wrote:
My high school did have nude swimming for guys. The gals swam in suits on opposite days.
Translation: single-gender communal nudity = no one offended or traumatized.
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"...no one offended or traumatized"

How do you know?
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The point is, why did the boys have to swim nude but the girls could wear costumes?
It is that same 'logic' that tells school administrators, designers and builders that girls must have their modesty protected at all times but the boys can go to hell, that the girls should be covered up but it is ok to embarrass and humiliate the boys, and yes, Censored, many boys would feel that way and not just the odd one or two.

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