Bob: Were Boys Forced to Attend School Swim Lessons Completely Nude?

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MaltaMon

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Every human being is naked for at least part of every day. Situational nudity--ie, in the locker room or showe--is normal. To undress in a locker room while doing the "towel dance" is indicative of a seriously dysfunctional adult. We shouldn't allow our children to grow into adults with such serious denial about what is natural bout them as human beings. Help them to get over it.
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... So they may get on with life's real challenges and focus on what makes life on earth worth living. This hangup about nudity in the locker room is simply ludicrous. When I hear of adolescents changing under cover of a towel and heading off to class or to work unbathed, I feel sympathy only insofar as their need to have their fears addressed is concerned. And to introduce the likes of Sandusky to the issue is a diversion. Common sense and good child-rearing competent instruction about recognizing the risk, strong and vigilant enforcement of laws and behavioral standards will address fears of child molesters. Moreover, most predators have never seen their victims undressed until they make them their victims. And how many kids are molested by their peers in a school locker room? This fear, this unreasoning terror, this emphasis on nudity in circumstances that demand it is ludicrous. And terribly, terribly harmful in the long run.
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Now, I await more of DJW's fetishist reasoning. Obviously, he is one of those sexually dysfunctional and relationship-challenged adults who deny their own humanity as a rationalization for their profoundly twisted orientation. Do we really want our children to grow up like him?
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Phil wrote:
I don't recall saying this. I certainly don't say all males but the fact remains some will have such feelings.
It doesn't make them less of a man. Some are wired differently, for want of a better word. Many females will also feel the same.
Likewise many boys and girls will feel embarrassed.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a child or adult who has such feelings.
Mr. Pill never remembers ANYTHING he's said.

MaltaMon just laid out a pretty long, detailed case for why males who feel humiliation in front of their SAME GENDER is abnormal, and indeed does make them "less of a man".

The case made by MaltaMon completely contradicts Phil's silly fear-mongering screed.
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bill wrote:
Being stark naked for swim class was no different from having to take showers without privacy after gym class, football practice, wrestling practice, and so on. Nudity was an everyday happening and so we did not give it a second thought. Nowadays, though, I can imagine that high school kids may want privacy, even to the point of wanting to shower at home after practices or to wear a lot of Axe deodoran,t instead of showering, after gym. In my day ( and I know I sound like an old man ) child sexual abuse did not get any widespread attention, and homosexuality was known and understood but hardly ever discussed except in derision. We live in the world of jerry Sandusky-a world where communal nudity is no longer innocent.
I cannot blame the kids of today for being more conscious of privacy and more discreet about changing before or after swimming. Perhaps I would be too.
Well, in bill's first posting it sounded like he had some intelligence. But now I see that first assessment was incorrect.
He's as fear-mongering as Phil and DJW.

As MaltaMon said, there is NO frequent occurrence of male-on-male sexual abuse in locker rooms or restrooms. Homosexual sex has no relevance to same-gender, communal nudity.

For bill to throw those issues out as legitimate reasons for young people to avoid single-gender communal nudity is beyond stupid.
Malta Mon

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"We live in the world of jerry Sandusky-a world where communal nudity is no longer innocent."
-- bill

So we instill into kids pathalogical fear of undressing in a closed single-sex room to shower and change after physical activity because of the crimes of a serial child rapist from the coaching staff of a major university? His use of a university's team locker room renders middle- and high-school locker rooms equally unsafe? Were the football players who used Penn State's locker room in any danger from Jerry Sandusky? Should they stop taking showers after practice and start doing "the towel dance" to change from their uniforms into street clothes? This is no more Sandusky's "world" than America in the late 1930s was Bruno Hauptman's, in the late 1960s was Charles Manson's, or in the early 1990s was Geoffrey Dahmer's. As I said, to indulge--to encourage--a child's or adolescent's irrational terror of nudity among peers of his own sex is to sow in him the seeds of long-term adult sexual and relationship dysfunction. If you're going to encourage him to give in to such unreasoning terror of what is most natural and normal about his own body, you may as well take him to the park to stock up on his drugs now. The dealers' prices will only go up by the time he'll need them to deal with his fear of women, his fear of other men, his fear of talking to kids, his fear of having kids of either sex. You guys have a badly twisted view of humanity. This phenomenon is so recent and yet it has come to dominate adolescent culture. It is now persmissible, as opposed to anti-social and downright rude, for young people go to class or to work or to someone's home carrying potentially harmful bacteria and stinking to high heaven so that their fear of undressing and showering in front of others won't be addressed sensibly. Are they, or we, better off for that? It's also a terrible precedent to set for kids--a dangerously dysfunctional principle to impart to them. Our children should be raised to deal courageously with situations that should inspire genuine fear. To refuse to address their childhood terror of what is perfectly normal is to place greater fear either out of bounds for them to deal with-fears that matter and that they must learn to face--or, worse, to confuse the hell out of them with regard to what truly merits fear or even caution. If you get their adrenalin flowing from terror over what young human beings have experienced peacefully since they first appeared on the scene, they'll be candidates for treatment for severe depression before they're ready to graduate from high school. Grow up, guys, so that our kids will know how to do it.
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What will be next: a crusade to mandate clothing for pets? No bathing of an infant or toddler by a parent or caregiver of the opposite sex? We've already reached the preposterous milestone at which naked photographs of our own infants and toddlers is regarded as child pornography. Meanwhile, pornography and smut have never been more popular among kids or more accessible to them. Yeah, keep scaring the shit out of them.
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Censored By T-O-P-I-X-com wrote:
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Mr. Pill never remembers ANYTHING he's said.
MaltaMon just laid out a pretty long, detailed case for why males who feel humiliation in front of their SAME GENDER is abnormal, and indeed does make them "less of a man".
The case made by MaltaMon completely contradicts Phil's silly fear-mongering screed.
"MaltaMon just laid out a pretty long, detailed case for why males who feel humiliation in front of their SAME GENDER is abnormal, and indeed does make them "less of a man".
Oh, well, why didn't you say.
If MaltaMon said so it must be so.
How could I have been so foolish!
How dare my opinion be contrary to his.
Who the hell do I think I am.
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Censored By T-O-P-I-X-com wrote:
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Well, in bill's first posting it sounded like he had some intelligence. But now I see that first assessment was incorrect.
He's as fear-mongering as Phil and DJW.
As MaltaMon said, there is NO frequent occurrence of male-on-male sexual abuse in locker rooms or restrooms. Homosexual sex has no relevance to same-gender, communal nudity.
For bill to throw those issues out as legitimate reasons for young people to avoid single-gender communal nudity is beyond stupid.
"He's as fear-mongering as Phil"

I am not fear mongering. I am stating a fact that we humans are not all made the same way.
Thank God there is only one of you.
We all all different. Because you feel one way does not make you right or any more or less of a man than another.
Get over yourself.
MaltaMon

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Phil wrote:
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"MaltaMon just laid out a pretty long, detailed case for why males who feel humiliation in front of their SAME GENDER is abnormal, and indeed does make them "less of a man".
Oh, well, why didn't you say.
If MaltaMon said so it must be so.
How could I have been so foolish!
How dare my opinion be contrary to his.
Who the hell do I think I am.
Finally. I knew you'd come to your senses.
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MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> Finally. I knew you'd come to your senses.
Indeed. I just had to stop fighting it and accept the inevitability of it all. I feel so much better now.
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The Maltamon has now moved to Idaho to take part in a naked wrestling competition.

Lets condemn the tragic Connecticut shooting in Newtown, killing 27 people, including 20 children.

Elementary school forced nudity together with lax gun control laws perpetuate the pederast fantasies of people like Adam Lanza, 20.

They violate children's privacy and create bitterness for people like Lanza who when they reach maturity commit crimes like Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings.

I want to see Maltamon condemn this massacre and start supporting children's rights. I want to see Censored by Topix get out of his trailer park in Tennessee and realise there is nothing innocent about compelled communal school nudity even in a same sex environment.

There must be a total ban on pupil nudity/toplessness in all schools and PE should no longer be compulsory. No more swim tests. If kids want to learn to swim they should do so out of school hours. No more swimming in skimpy swimming trunks. All voluntary swimming at school should be with the upper torso covered. We dont force girls to bare their nipples and navels during swimming. Should boys pecs and abdomens really be on display in this day and age?

Adam Lanza was an intelligent but inarticulate socially awkward loner who would've been the target of so called " Jocks" in American PE lessons.

Humiliated by forced swimming lessons at school, the phyisical abuse by fellow pupils and the verbal abuse of pe teachers he then took out his bitterness on these poor innocent children as an adult.

It is time to re-examine your conscience America repeal the 2nd amendment and introduce a right to privacy for all school children in the constitution
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Poor Mr. Pill, stunted in his manhood by his controlling, dominant, clothed mother who brainwashed him into his belief that males being nude together is humiliation and homosexuality.

What a sad, scared existence Phil has led.
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Poor DJW, stunted in his manhood by his controlling, dominant, clothed mother who brainwashed him into his belief that males being nude together is humiliation and homosexuality.

What a sad, scared existence DJW has led.
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Poor Censored by topix, stunted in his manhood by his controlling, dominant, clothed Elvis who brainwashed him into his belief Elvis is not dead in gracelands Tennessee but is a CIA agent monitoring Coyotes naked skinny dipping off the Artic circle in Canada, that all males love being nude together & should shower with Sandusky and interviewed by clothed female journalists.

What a sad, scared existence Censored has led cleaning his M16 assault rifle outside Kingsport Elementary school.
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DJW wrote:
The Maltamon has now moved to Idaho to take part in a naked wrestling competition.
Lets condemn the tragic Connecticut shooting in Newtown, killing 27 people, including 20 children.
Elementary school forced nudity together with lax gun control laws perpetuate the pederast fantasies of people like Adam Lanza, 20.
They violate children's privacy and create bitterness for people like Lanza who when they reach maturity commit crimes like Columbine and Virginia Tech shootings.
I want to see Maltamon condemn this massacre and start supporting children's rights. I want to see Censored by Topix get out of his trailer park in Tennessee and realise there is nothing innocent about compelled communal school nudity even in a same sex environment.
There must be a total ban on pupil nudity/toplessness in all schools and PE should no longer be compulsory. No more swim tests. If kids want to learn to swim they should do so out of school hours. No more swimming in skimpy swimming trunks. All voluntary swimming at school should be with the upper torso covered. We dont force girls to bare their nipples and navels during swimming. Should boys pecs and abdomens really be on display in this day and age?
Adam Lanza was an intelligent but inarticulate socially awkward loner who would've been the target of so called " Jocks" in American PE lessons.
Humiliated by forced swimming lessons at school, the phyisical abuse by fellow pupils and the verbal abuse of pe teachers he then took out his bitterness on these poor innocent children as an adult.
It is time to re-examine your conscience America repeal the 2nd amendment and introduce a right to privacy for all school children in the constitution
Whew! This poor bastard has really stepped off the edge. Can you believe that he would raise the topic of nudity in the context of what happened yesterday in Connecticut? If this tirade of his weren't so insane it would be offensive. Hope you land on your head, DJ, rather than on a more vital part of your body.
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Poor Mr. Pill, stunted in his manhood by his controlling, dominant, clothed mother who brainwashed him into his belief that males being nude together is humiliation and homosexuality.
What a sad, scared existence Phil has led.
Are you really suggesting that ALL children who are uncomfortable with communal nudity have somehow been brainwashed by a 'dominant' female into having such feelings?
Please don't tell me you are that stupid.
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Phil wrote:
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Are you really suggesting that ALL children who are uncomfortable with communal nudity have somehow been brainwashed by a 'dominant' female into having such feelings?
Please don't tell me you are that stupid.
I'm suggesting that YOU and DJW, two middle-aged, CFNM fetishists who are terrified of their own gender seeing them shirtless, nude or using the toilet were.
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Yes, you really are that stupid.
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Phil wrote:
Yes, you really are that stupid.
I disagree- she is stupider than stupid !

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