Bob: Were Boys Forced to Attend School Swim Lessons Completely Nude?

[MaltaMon]

No logic beyond the adolescent trauma that left him, as an adult, at once raging obsessively against the terrible injustice that he perceives in any situation that requires the exposure of a boy's skin below the neck in the presence of others, regardless of the reason, AND sexually obsessed with scenarios involve boys having to strip completely nude in the presence of others. Any competent shrink would affirm that the manifestation of these two seemingly opposing obsessions actually is typical of those who experienced that sort of sexual trauma. Sadly, the sexual trauma has fucked him up for life.

[DJW]

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In this one sentence, DJW sums up what a twisted view of gender differences he has. He sees no difference between going nude or even topless in front of the SAME SEX or the opposite sex?? Try and find logic in that.
No wonder such a confused, traumatized individual became a CFNM sex fetishist.

I just present the facts Censored!

http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Swim...

I Swim Naked
University Swimming
By: An EP User
Written on January 8th, 2011I went to an older University in the UK. The University did not have a swimming pool but the swimming club rented the use of a local school pool. The school was a boys school so only had one changing room. This was a large club room type charging area with an old fashioned toilet area. This had a large gutter at floor level and a glazed back as the urinal. The swimming group was mixed. A small changing area normally used by the staff was available to the girls if they wanted to use it but the guys had to use the main room. Some of the guys would come in already with their swimsuits on and then either go back with a wet swimsuit under their clothes.(Most wore speedo type suits.) or change under a towel at the end. I was a fit guy and I decided to arrive in my clothes and ***** off nude. I then went to the urinal and several of the girls followed me in to the toilet area. I used the urinal while they watched. I went back to my bag to get my swimsuit and one of the girls dared me to swim nude. The pool was totally enclosed and lit by frosted glass roof lights. There was a sign by the entrance to the showers for all boys to remove their swimsuits on the pool side before entering the shower. I said OK if no one objects. No one did so I swam nude for the whole session. The following week I did not even bring a swimsuit and swam nude again. By the end of the term about half the girls swam topless and one nude. None of the other guys ever swam nude. It was very nice being able to swim nude at university.

http://archive.inside.iastate.edu/2008/0201/s...

Inside Iowa State

Each man knew what he had to do and once he did it, he'd never have to set (bare) foot in that class again. The task was simply this: Swim 100 yards.

The swim didn't have to be a thing of beauty, according to Jerry Symons, whose 40-plus-year career at Iowa State began in 1964 when he signed on as a P.E. swim instructor. The student could dogpaddle, back float, frog kick, do whatever was necessary to stay afloat while achieving the required distance.

Perhaps the most curious part of ISU's mandatory swim requirement was the naked nature of the lesson. Symons offers a couple of explanations for a practice that was quite common at schools and universities around the country at the time.

One issue was hygiene, he said. Officials didn't want students splashing around the delicately filtered pool in clothes that had last soaked in a lake or farm pond. A second issue was money. At the time, universities traditionally supplied uniforms for P.E. classes, he said. However, many schools apparently saw little need to ante up for swim suits ... for men, anyway.(ISU women also faced a swim requirement, but they suited up for class.)

Naked swimming at Iowa State came to an end during Symons' first year, when some classes were moved to the new Beyer Hall pool. Symons recalls the university purchased "ugly blue suits."

Symons, who served as the Cyclones' diving coach and taught a very popular ISU scuba class for several decades, left another legacy at Iowa State. At his suggestion, the deep end of the State Gym pool floor was raised to a comforting 4 feet. "It's easier for non-swimmers to work if they can touch the bottom," he explained.

[DJW]

MaltaMon wrote:

No logic beyond the adolescent trauma that left him, as an adult, at once raging obsessively against the terrible injustice that he perceives in any situation that requires the exposure of a boy's skin below the neck in the presence of others, regardless of the reason, AND sexually obsessed with scenarios involve boys having to strip completely nude in the presence of others. Any competent shrink would affirm that the manifestation of these two seemingly opposing obsessions actually is typical of those who experienced that sort of sexual trauma. Sadly, the sexual trauma has fucked him up for life.

Your arbitrary and indefensible Maltamom just like the Dartmouth swim test!

It's Sink or Swim for College Students Who Must Pass Swim Tests to Graduate

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By Catherine Groux
Posted November 30, 2012 05:00 PM

Some students still need to pass a swim test to graduate.Today, students who want to earn a bachelor's degree at New York's Cornell University not only need to pass all of their courses, but pass a swim test or enroll in a beginner's swim course as well, The Wall Street Journal reports.

While there is no official count of how many U.S. colleges still make students pass a swim test in order to graduate, a 1997 survey by North Carolina State University professors shows that only about 5% of all four-year schools follow the tradition. Among these colleges are the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Columbia University and the University of Notre Dame, the Journal reports.

Each school has its own variation of what exactly the swimming test entails. At Cornell, students must swim three lengths in the 25-yard pool with no time restriction. Women who attend Pennsylvania's Bryn Mawr College, on the other hand, must swim continuously for 10 minutes, float on their backs for one minute and tread water for one minute.

Cornell's website states that the swim test requirement was first mandated for women in 1918, when the school's director of women's physical education stated that swimming was a necessary skill for all women to possess. The need to learn how to swim only became more important to the school after World War II, as many students served overseas. Subsequently, the swim test was deemed mandatory for male students in 1937.

While the swim test requirement was enacted decades ago, faculty have since upheld the decision to include it in Cornell's graduation requirements.

"Anything that prevents people from dying needlessly is a valuable skill," Fred DeBruyn, director of aquatics and assistant physical education director at Cornell, told the Journal.

Although some schools continue to uphold the century-old tradition, other colleges across the country have dropped the unusual graduation requirement. For example, the University of Chicago recently announced that it would drop its requirement that students swim 100 yards or take a swim class before receiving their diplomas. The news came as a welcome announcement for university graduates like Hassan Ali, who does not feel he should have had to swim for his diploma.

"Entering college is intimidating enough, let alone getting half-naked in front of your peers and trying to prove your physical acumen,"

Ali told the Chicago Tribune.

Still, the University of Chicago is far from the only school to nix its swim requirement. In 2005, New York's Colgate University eliminated the graduation qualification, calling it "arbitrary and indefensible," the Journal states. In the past, schools like Harvard University have come to the same conclusion, opting to throw in the towel on their swim tests.

Lets campaign Maltamom to stop universities forcing students to get half naked to get a degree or take a cleansing nude shower!
It degrades muslims.

[MaltaMon]

Genius, your obsessive fixation on swimming requirements betrays your ignorance. All who accept a highly coveted offer of admission to these Ivy League universities do so willingly and with full awareness of a requirement about which they've known since BEFORE they ever decided to submit their lengthy and challenging applications to those private institutions for consideration for one of the very limited spots in their next matriculating freshman class. Anyone who whines about it later is disingenuous. He or she was free to choose any of the thousands of public and private institutions that offer bachelors degrees in this country without requiring proficiency in swimming. Moreover, neither the US government nor any state has the authority to mandate that a private university or college eliminate that requirement. Don't cry for those who knew what they were getting into but discovered later on that they'd changed their minds. They are always free to transfer elsewhere once they determine that they'd rather not learn to swim. By your logic, a girl who becomes a dancer at the Folies Bergeres is right to complain about the costumes she has to wear... or an actor who successfully auditions for Naked Boys Singing is right to object to having to appear nude on stage. Or having to sing on stage. Find some worthwhile cause, DJ. Spoiled, affluent, childish adults who eschew all accountability for their own choices are definitely not worth a moment of anyone's worry. They are where they are because they exercised their rights--not because anyone denied them. Idiot.

[MaltaMon]

Moreover, Flash, to dictate or legislate that an individual make what you or anyone else regard as the "right" choice for him or her is to deny that individual his or her "inalienable right... to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Nobody who chooses freely, knowingly, fully aware of what he or she is signing on is denied any right to change his or her mind and thus to quit and choose an alternative that suits his or her altered sensibilities or desires.

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DJW wrote:

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I just present the facts Censored!
http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Swim...
I Swim Naked
University Swimming
By: An EP User
Written on January 8th, 2011I went to an older University in the UK. The University did not have a swimming pool but the swimming club rented the use of a local school pool. The school was a boys school so only had one changing room. This was a large club room type charging area with an old fashioned toilet area. This had a large gutter at floor level and a glazed back as the urinal. The swimming group was mixed. A small changing area normally used by the staff was available to the girls if they wanted to use it but the guys had to use the main room. Some of the guys would come in already with their swimsuits on and then either go back with a wet swimsuit under their clothes.(Most wore speedo type suits.) or change under a towel at the end. I was a fit guy and I decided to arrive in my clothes and ***** off nude. I then went to the urinal and several of the girls followed me in to the toilet area. I used the urinal while they watched. I went back to my bag to get my swimsuit and one of the girls dared me to swim nude. The pool was totally enclosed and lit by frosted glass roof lights. There was a sign by the entrance to the showers for all boys to remove their swimsuits on the pool side before entering the shower. I said OK if no one objects. No one did so I swam nude for the whole session. The following week I did not even bring a swimsuit and swam nude again. By the end of the term about half the girls swam topless and one nude. None of the other guys ever swam nude. It was very nice being able to swim nude at university.

FACTS??

The above "story" is PURE CFNM sexual fiction, the sort of which is found on any CFNM fantasy forum as SixtySomething could tell us.

DJW doesn't even bother with the pretense of seriousness anymore. He's now posting blatant CFNM porn stories.

[MaltaMon]

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FACTS??
The above "story" is PURE CFNM sexual fiction, the sort of which is found on any CFNM fantasy forum as SixtySomething could tell us.
DJW doesn't even bother with the pretense of seriousness anymore. He's now posting blatant CFNM porn stories.

I know. He'll just keep arguing--not necessarily any point that you or I may make, but just arguing, raging, and positioning his phony self-righteousness--as an excuse to post more nude-boy bullshit. I shouldn't bother taking him on, because rather than offer a real response, he just sees it as an opportunity to post more manifestly unsubstantiated internet deviant sexually fetishistic fiction.

[MaltaMon]

This is the guy who as a boy was stripped of his bathing suit by a group of bullyin girls or boys, was laughed at and ridiculed, forced to rn home naked and crying--which, indeed, would have been enormously traumatic--and, like many male victims of trauma that involves his loss of manhood and dignity through forced public exposure of his naked body, his buttocks and genetalia (which may or may not have been fully developed at the time, the exposure of which may have elicited an erection while the only totally naked boy surrounded by fully clothed boys, girls, or both) will as an adult seek redress for a trauma that has left him an obsessive sexually deviant fetishist. He knows that it takes fantasies of forced nudity of boys for him to enjoy any sexual climax, blames for his sexual and psychological disorder any and all figures of authority who require a boy to disrobe even partially, even for legitimate reasons of heath and hygiene. You cannot expect so deeply troubled a man to be reasonable. And rather than seek the professional therapy that he needs to overcome or, in the final analysis, to accept his sexual orientation, he seeks instead the comfort and reassurance of similarly damaged virtual "friends" from the internet who publish and/or distribute fictionalized versions of their own traumatic experiences that serve as the touchstones of their own perverted sexual sensibilities. This is how they get off. This is how they maintain a sex life, knowing fully that they cannot engage honestly in any adult sexual and romantic relationship because of the bullying kids or adults who'd traumatized them as children or adolescents. It's quite sad, really.

[DJW]

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FACTS??
The above "story" is PURE CFNM sexual fiction, the sort of which is found on any CFNM fantasy forum as SixtySomething could tell us.
DJW doesn't even bother with the pretense of seriousness anymore. He's now posting blatant CFNM porn stories.

We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waiver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.
-Barack Obama

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Re: School shower (swimming)
Freshman boys nude swimming test

At our local university, all incoming male freshman students have to take a mandatory nude swimming test. You have to tread water for 10 minutes in the nude. If you fail the test (or don't report to take the test), you're required to take a full-semester course in beginning swimming. You're allowed to wear swim trunks in the class, but it has to be THEIR trunks which will only be issued to you after you present yourself stark naked after taking a nude shower. After the class you repeat the process, handing in your wet trunks at the booth (totally nude) in return for your towel and locker key. By the way, I would refuse to go take the test because as an 18-year-old guy, I'm extremely self-conscious about my naked body.

The time for communal nudity in educational institutions is over Censored/Maltamom. It is time private parts were kept private.
No one should have to go topless or reveal their underwear just to get a university degree. On this point I will defeat you!

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DJW wrote:

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We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waiver in its defense

The CFNM way of life? The defense of the CFNM way of life?

DJW wrote:

It is time private parts were kept private.
No one should have to go topless or reveal their underwear just to get a university degree. On this point I will defeat you!

Except for nude male private parts, which you repeatedly post stories of being revealed to clothed females.
Your CFNM sex fetish has defeated you.

[MaltaMon]

DJW, Now you're,quoting Obama? Your particular lifestyle is not at all what he had in mind when he said that. And that boy who, "as an 18 y/o male" is very self-conscious about his body? No 18 year-old would use his age and sex--and only his age and sex--to explain his embarrassment around others of his age and sex. Only a MUCH older person would offer that as an explanation for self-consciousness about one's body: a young person wouldn't see it as,a matter of his age and gender. Another phony-baloney fictional internet account from a middle-aged fetishist.

[MaltaMon]

DJ, baby, you cannot win, if that is your objective, with fiction and lies. You need truth, but it's not on your side.

[DJW]

MaltaMon wrote:

DJ, baby, you cannot win, if that is your objective, with fiction and lies. You need truth, but it's not on your side.

I have truth Maltamon and it is shown on Topix I need you to condemen Royal Masonic school for having having nude swims in Uk and North East University Mass for having nude swim showers. At least Trent University California forbids nudity unlike Mass. Law!

www.geoffkirby.co.uk/MasonicSchool/
I was given a quick eye test by the school doctor who judged me to be now extremely ... I was reminded in 2008 by an ex-pupil that we boys had to swim naked..... school, which I attended between 1971 and 1976, rather than the junior school.

North East University

Pool Rules

1. Use of the pool during open swim hours is permitted only in the presence of a University employed lifeguard.
2. All pool users must take a nude shower before entering the pool.(this is mandated by the State of Massachusetts)
3. All hairclips, pins, and jewelry must be removed before entering the pool.
4. All male pool users must wear a conventional one piece swimming suit. All female pool users must wear a conventional one piece swimming suit or a moderate to conservative cut, 2 piece suit.(Cut-offs, running shorts, gym shorts,running tights, or any other clothing, are prohibited).
5. Safe lap swim will be in effect: Lane 1 & 2 slow; Lanes 3 & 4 Fast; Lanes 5 & 6 Medium.
6. When more than 3 swimmers are in each lane, please swim in circles. Remember, be courteous with your fellow swimmers.
7. Swimming under the bulkhead will not be permitted at any time.
8. Use of the starting blocks will not be permitted at any time.
9. No diving into the shallow end of the pool.
10. Use of diving boards will not be permitted at any time.
11. Only flip flops or bare feet are permitted on the pool deck.
12. Face masks and snorkels will not be permitted at any time. Only short training flippers will be permitted.
13. Eating, drinking, and smoking are prohibited anywhere in the building.
14. Glass containers should not be brought into the pool ares, bleachers or locker rooms.
15. No horseplay or running on the deck will be permitted at any time.
16. Only lifeguards and Northeastern University swimming and diving coaches are allowed on the bulkhead.
17. Lifeguards reserve the right to administer a swim test to any individual, any time they think it necessary. They may remove any individual from the pool from the pool at any time.
18. Leave all personal belongings locked in a locker. The pool deck must be kept clear at all times.
19. Children under the age of six (6) will not be allowed in the pool area.
20. Children must be supervised by an adult at all times, both in and out of the pool.
21. Lifeguards may prohibit any activity they deem hazardous. They may remove any individual from the pool at any time.

22. Trent University :: Athletics :: Memberships
www.trentu.ca/athletics/memberships_policies....

CHANGE ROOMS
The family/accessible change room is available to anyone who prefers a private changing area, to support individuals who may need assistance, and for children who are accompanied by a parent of the opposite gender. This change room is designed to accommodate opposite genders. No nudity is permitted in the common areas of this change room, including the showers.

Join me for what is right,censored.

[MaltaMon]

Right. Join him in a mass circle jerk.

[MaltaMon]

DJ, Pedo Bob had nothing but fiction and lies in his arsenal. And where is he now? Do you believe that HE won?

[RICH P]

I swam nude in school I liked it. I found it fun.

[DJW]

RICH P wrote:

I swam nude in school I liked it. I found it fun.

State sanctioned child abuse is never fun Richy P. Did girls get to share in this "fun"? no!. There needs to be a right to privacy for all pupils and college/university students.

When Maltamon joined Dartmouth University he was forced to engage in a "posture" photograph, these were common in all US universities up to 1967 and like nude swimming and forced showers were part of the militarized eugenics programme in America!

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread779...

ONE AFTERNOON IN THE LATE 1970's, deep in the labyrinthine interior of a massive Gothic tower in New Haven, an unsuspecting employee of Yale University opened a long-locked room in the Payne Whitney Gymnasium and stumbled upon something shocking and disturbing. Shocking, because what he found was an enormous cache of nude photographs, thousands and thousands of photographs of young men in front, side and rear poses. Disturbing, because on closer inspection the photos looked like the record of a bizarre body-piercing ritual: sticking out from the spine of each and every body was a row of sharp metal pins.

And then Hersey evoked the specter of the Third Reich: "The Nazis compiled similar archives analyzing the photos for racial as well as characterological content (as did Hooton).... The Nazis often used American high school yearbook photographs for this purpose.... The American investigators planned an archive that could correlate each freshman's bodily configuration ('somatotype') and physiognomy with later life history. That the photos had no value as pornography is a tribute to their resolutely scientific nature."

This now discredited anthropological research, which began as far back as the 1880s, was conducted by W.H. Sheldon who headed an institute for physique studies at Colombia University. In fact, it is possible that Sheldon himself was the one who beheld Hillary in all her natural glory since he often took the photographs.

The X Spot: October 2006xdell.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.htm...
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30 Oct 2006 – You'll also remember stripping totally nude and posing for the camera. By now ... Figure 1. Actual posture photos illustrating the three main somatotypes. The posture photo experiments began in 1940 and concluded in 1967.

Some have noted the number of famous people who attended the participating colleges during that time, and most likely cooperated with the program (e.g. Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Meryl Streep, Brandon Tartikoff, Diane Sawyer). Considering that these were taken at the best schools, a lot of powerbrokers have their nude photos somewhere. Some were rumored to have wound up in sex shops and sold as pornography. In 1992, TV personality Dick Cavett (a 1955 Yale alum) joked:

When I was an undergraduate ... there were no women [at Yale]. The women went to Vassar. At Vassar they had nude photographs taken of women in gym class to check their posture. One year the photos were stolen and turned up for sale in New Haven's red-light district. The photos found no buyers.

The sterilization program expanded to include criminals, on the belief that their genetic code—whether manifest in their physical appearance or not—contained a predisposition toward immoral behavior. By the 1930s, courts were ordering the forced sterilization of Native Americans who had neither committed any crime, nor exhibited symptoms of mental handicaps or disease. Between 1900-1970, the US forcibly sterilized 64,000 people to ‘purify’ the human race, a figure only topped by the Nazis’ 400,000.

In 1940, eugenics would move from the bizarre and cruel into the realm of the just plain bizarre.

We must end the Nazism of the forced naked swim with its overtones of Aryan racial puritanism and use a precursor to prepare males for war Maltamom!

[MaltaMon]

Wrong. I was a little boy in 1967. And there were no posture photographs taken at Dartmouth College--no in the 70s, when I entered, not ever... Harvard and Yale, yes. But understand that Ivy League universities are 8 independent, private institutions, entirely separate from one another. The Ivy League was originally an athletic affiliation.

[MaltaMon]

As for Rich P, I'm glad that you said you enjoyed swimming naked. Sort of removes all the obsessive sexual fetishism with which DJW and some others regard it (his anti-nudity campaign, of which he styles himself as that alleged movement's own Carrie Nation, is an excuse to post, seemingly without the slightest pause, an unceasing series of stories and anecdotes about boys being forced to strip and remain nude before clothed adults (teachers, coaches, doctors, secretaries, mothers other than their own) and female schoolmates

[DJW]

MaltaMon wrote:

Wrong. I was a little boy in 1967. And there were no posture photographs taken at Dartmouth College--no in the 70s, when I entered, not ever... Harvard and Yale, yes. But understand that Ivy League universities are 8 independent, private institutions, entirely separate from one another. The Ivy League was originally an athletic affiliation.

Oppose all forced educational nudity Maltamon!

"Honor bound to defend Privacy"!