#526 Dec 5, 2012
Genius, your obsessive fixation on swimming requirements betrays your ignorance. All who accept a highly coveted offer of admission to these Ivy League universities do so willingly and with full awareness of a requirement about which they've known since BEFORE they ever decided to submit their lengthy and challenging applications to those private institutions for consideration for one of the very limited spots in their next matriculating freshman class. Anyone who whines about it later is disingenuous. He or she was free to choose any of the thousands of public and private institutions that offer bachelors degrees in this country without requiring proficiency in swimming. Moreover, neither the US government nor any state has the authority to mandate that a private university or college eliminate that requirement. Don't cry for those who knew what they were getting into but discovered later on that they'd changed their minds. They are always free to transfer elsewhere once they determine that they'd rather not learn to swim. By your logic, a girl who becomes a dancer at the Folies Bergeres is right to complain about the costumes she has to wear... or an actor who successfully auditions for Naked Boys Singing is right to object to having to appear nude on stage. Or having to sing on stage. Find some worthwhile cause, DJ. Spoiled, affluent, childish adults who eschew all accountability for their own choices are definitely not worth a moment of anyone's worry. They are where they are because they exercised their rights--not because anyone denied them. Idiot.
#527 Dec 5, 2012
Moreover, Flash, to dictate or legislate that an individual make what you or anyone else regard as the "right" choice for him or her is to deny that individual his or her "inalienable right... to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Nobody who chooses freely, knowingly, fully aware of what he or she is signing on is denied any right to change his or her mind and thus to quit and choose an alternative that suits his or her altered sensibilities or desires.
#529 Dec 5, 2012
I know. He'll just keep arguing--not necessarily any point that you or I may make, but just arguing, raging, and positioning his phony self-righteousness--as an excuse to post more nude-boy bullshit. I shouldn't bother taking him on, because rather than offer a real response, he just sees it as an opportunity to post more manifestly unsubstantiated internet deviant sexually fetishistic fiction.
#530 Dec 5, 2012
This is the guy who as a boy was stripped of his bathing suit by a group of bullyin girls or boys, was laughed at and ridiculed, forced to rn home naked and crying--which, indeed, would have been enormously traumatic--and, like many male victims of trauma that involves his loss of manhood and dignity through forced public exposure of his naked body, his buttocks and genetalia (which may or may not have been fully developed at the time, the exposure of which may have elicited an erection while the only totally naked boy surrounded by fully clothed boys, girls, or both) will as an adult seek redress for a trauma that has left him an obsessive sexually deviant fetishist. He knows that it takes fantasies of forced nudity of boys for him to enjoy any sexual climax, blames for his sexual and psychological disorder any and all figures of authority who require a boy to disrobe even partially, even for legitimate reasons of heath and hygiene. You cannot expect so deeply troubled a man to be reasonable. And rather than seek the professional therapy that he needs to overcome or, in the final analysis, to accept his sexual orientation, he seeks instead the comfort and reassurance of similarly damaged virtual "friends" from the internet who publish and/or distribute fictionalized versions of their own traumatic experiences that serve as the touchstones of their own perverted sexual sensibilities. This is how they get off. This is how they maintain a sex life, knowing fully that they cannot engage honestly in any adult sexual and romantic relationship because of the bullying kids or adults who'd traumatized them as children or adolescents. It's quite sad, really.
#531 Dec 7, 2012
We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waiver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you.
Nov-28-2008 10:10 AM #20 Dick
Join Date:January 12th, 2004
Re: School shower (swimming)
Freshman boys nude swimming test
At our local university, all incoming male freshman students have to take a mandatory nude swimming test. You have to tread water for 10 minutes in the nude. If you fail the test (or don't report to take the test), you're required to take a full-semester course in beginning swimming. You're allowed to wear swim trunks in the class, but it has to be THEIR trunks which will only be issued to you after you present yourself stark naked after taking a nude shower. After the class you repeat the process, handing in your wet trunks at the booth (totally nude) in return for your towel and locker key. By the way, I would refuse to go take the test because as an 18-year-old guy, I'm extremely self-conscious about my naked body.
The time for communal nudity in educational institutions is over Censored/Maltamom. It is time private parts were kept private.
No one should have to go topless or reveal their underwear just to get a university degree. On this point I will defeat you!
#532 Dec 7, 2012
The CFNM way of life? The defense of the CFNM way of life?
Except for nude male private parts, which you repeatedly post stories of being revealed to clothed females.
Your CFNM sex fetish has defeated you.
#533 Dec 7, 2012
DJW, Now you're,quoting Obama? Your particular lifestyle is not at all what he had in mind when he said that. And that boy who, "as an 18 y/o male" is very self-conscious about his body? No 18 year-old would use his age and sex--and only his age and sex--to explain his embarrassment around others of his age and sex. Only a MUCH older person would offer that as an explanation for self-consciousness about one's body: a young person wouldn't see it as,a matter of his age and gender. Another phony-baloney fictional internet account from a middle-aged fetishist.
#534 Dec 7, 2012
DJ, baby, you cannot win, if that is your objective, with fiction and lies. You need truth, but it's not on your side.
#535 Dec 7, 2012
I have truth Maltamon and it is shown on Topix I need you to condemen Royal Masonic school for having having nude swims in Uk and North East University Mass for having nude swim showers. At least Trent University California forbids nudity unlike Mass. Law!
I was given a quick eye test by the school doctor who judged me to be now extremely ... I was reminded in 2008 by an ex-pupil that we boys had to swim naked..... school, which I attended between 1971 and 1976, rather than the junior school.
North East University
1. Use of the pool during open swim hours is permitted only in the presence of a University employed lifeguard.
2. All pool users must take a nude shower before entering the pool.(this is mandated by the State of Massachusetts)
3. All hairclips, pins, and jewelry must be removed before entering the pool.
4. All male pool users must wear a conventional one piece swimming suit. All female pool users must wear a conventional one piece swimming suit or a moderate to conservative cut, 2 piece suit.(Cut-offs, running shorts, gym shorts,running tights, or any other clothing, are prohibited).
5. Safe lap swim will be in effect: Lane 1 & 2 slow; Lanes 3 & 4 Fast; Lanes 5 & 6 Medium.
6. When more than 3 swimmers are in each lane, please swim in circles. Remember, be courteous with your fellow swimmers.
7. Swimming under the bulkhead will not be permitted at any time.
8. Use of the starting blocks will not be permitted at any time.
9. No diving into the shallow end of the pool.
10. Use of diving boards will not be permitted at any time.
11. Only flip flops or bare feet are permitted on the pool deck.
12. Face masks and snorkels will not be permitted at any time. Only short training flippers will be permitted.
13. Eating, drinking, and smoking are prohibited anywhere in the building.
14. Glass containers should not be brought into the pool ares, bleachers or locker rooms.
15. No horseplay or running on the deck will be permitted at any time.
16. Only lifeguards and Northeastern University swimming and diving coaches are allowed on the bulkhead.
17. Lifeguards reserve the right to administer a swim test to any individual, any time they think it necessary. They may remove any individual from the pool from the pool at any time.
18. Leave all personal belongings locked in a locker. The pool deck must be kept clear at all times.
19. Children under the age of six (6) will not be allowed in the pool area.
20. Children must be supervised by an adult at all times, both in and out of the pool.
21. Lifeguards may prohibit any activity they deem hazardous. They may remove any individual from the pool at any time.
22. Trent University :: Athletics :: Memberships
The family/accessible change room is available to anyone who prefers a private changing area, to support individuals who may need assistance, and for children who are accompanied by a parent of the opposite gender. This change room is designed to accommodate opposite genders. No nudity is permitted in the common areas of this change room, including the showers.
Join me for what is right,censored.
#536 Dec 7, 2012
Right. Join him in a mass circle jerk.
#537 Dec 7, 2012
DJ, Pedo Bob had nothing but fiction and lies in his arsenal. And where is he now? Do you believe that HE won?
#538 Dec 8, 2012
I swam nude in school I liked it. I found it fun.
New Milton, UK
#539 Dec 8, 2012
State sanctioned child abuse is never fun Richy P. Did girls get to share in this "fun"? no!. There needs to be a right to privacy for all pupils and college/university students.
When Maltamon joined Dartmouth University he was forced to engage in a "posture" photograph, these were common in all US universities up to 1967 and like nude swimming and forced showers were part of the militarized eugenics programme in America!
ONE AFTERNOON IN THE LATE 1970's, deep in the labyrinthine interior of a massive Gothic tower in New Haven, an unsuspecting employee of Yale University opened a long-locked room in the Payne Whitney Gymnasium and stumbled upon something shocking and disturbing. Shocking, because what he found was an enormous cache of nude photographs, thousands and thousands of photographs of young men in front, side and rear poses. Disturbing, because on closer inspection the photos looked like the record of a bizarre body-piercing ritual: sticking out from the spine of each and every body was a row of sharp metal pins.
And then Hersey evoked the specter of the Third Reich: "The Nazis compiled similar archives analyzing the photos for racial as well as characterological content (as did Hooton).... The Nazis often used American high school yearbook photographs for this purpose.... The American investigators planned an archive that could correlate each freshman's bodily configuration ('somatotype') and physiognomy with later life history. That the photos had no value as pornography is a tribute to their resolutely scientific nature."
This now discredited anthropological research, which began as far back as the 1880s, was conducted by W.H. Sheldon who headed an institute for physique studies at Colombia University. In fact, it is possible that Sheldon himself was the one who beheld Hillary in all her natural glory since he often took the photographs.
The X Spot: October 2006xdell.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.htm...
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30 Oct 2006 – You'll also remember stripping totally nude and posing for the camera. By now ... Figure 1. Actual posture photos illustrating the three main somatotypes. The posture photo experiments began in 1940 and concluded in 1967.
Some have noted the number of famous people who attended the participating colleges during that time, and most likely cooperated with the program (e.g. Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Meryl Streep, Brandon Tartikoff, Diane Sawyer). Considering that these were taken at the best schools, a lot of powerbrokers have their nude photos somewhere. Some were rumored to have wound up in sex shops and sold as pornography. In 1992, TV personality Dick Cavett (a 1955 Yale alum) joked:
When I was an undergraduate ... there were no women [at Yale]. The women went to Vassar. At Vassar they had nude photographs taken of women in gym class to check their posture. One year the photos were stolen and turned up for sale in New Haven's red-light district. The photos found no buyers.
The sterilization program expanded to include criminals, on the belief that their genetic code—whether manifest in their physical appearance or not—contained a predisposition toward immoral behavior. By the 1930s, courts were ordering the forced sterilization of Native Americans who had neither committed any crime, nor exhibited symptoms of mental handicaps or disease. Between 1900-1970, the US forcibly sterilized 64,000 people to ‘purify’ the human race, a figure only topped by the Nazis’ 400,000.
In 1940, eugenics would move from the bizarre and cruel into the realm of the just plain bizarre.
We must end the Nazism of the forced naked swim with its overtones of Aryan racial puritanism and use a precursor to prepare males for war Maltamom!
#540 Dec 8, 2012
Wrong. I was a little boy in 1967. And there were no posture photographs taken at Dartmouth College--no in the 70s, when I entered, not ever... Harvard and Yale, yes. But understand that Ivy League universities are 8 independent, private institutions, entirely separate from one another. The Ivy League was originally an athletic affiliation.
#541 Dec 8, 2012
As for Rich P, I'm glad that you said you enjoyed swimming naked. Sort of removes all the obsessive sexual fetishism with which DJW and some others regard it (his anti-nudity campaign, of which he styles himself as that alleged movement's own Carrie Nation, is an excuse to post, seemingly without the slightest pause, an unceasing series of stories and anecdotes about boys being forced to strip and remain nude before clothed adults (teachers, coaches, doctors, secretaries, mothers other than their own) and female schoolmates
New Milton, UK
#542 Dec 8, 2012
Oppose all forced educational nudity Maltamon!
"Honor bound to defend Privacy"!
#543 Dec 8, 2012
Interesting, isn't it, that when he's wrong he won't ever acknowledge it. Just like the young boys he covets.
#544 Dec 8, 2012
This posting by DJW I find so revealing because this is his basic CFNM principle exposed for all to see: "Did girls get to share in this "fun"? no!"
DJW believes that any place of communal male nudity ie nude swimming, a male-only shower, locker room, toilet is inherently UNFAIR to females because they are excluded from being allowed to humiliate the nude males. What a bizarre, traumatized individual he must be to hold such warped ideas.
#545 Dec 9, 2012
You maybe getting your rocks off Maltamon at the thought of Richy P being forced into communal boy nudity in a New York High School for preparation as draft fodder for "NAM" but compelled nakedness has no place in an educational institution ever.
According to an article in The Times published in 1986, when Sarah Ferguson, future Duchess of York, was about to leave the school in 1977, she observed a tradition by diving into the swimming pool naked at midnight on the eve of her last day. The Duchess paid an official visit to her old school on 13 March 1989. In 1992, writing of Sarah Ferguson's time at Hurst Lodge, the journalist Valerie Grove called it "an expensive boarding school that turned out jolly chalet girls with lots of bounce but not too many O-levels".[1
Posts: 179 # Posted: 16 May 2012 22:36 | Edited by: AlanBarr
On the subject of forgetting kit, I heard David Baddiel on TV saying that boys at his school who forgot their swiiming trunks were made to go in the pool naked. At my school we were told to find a pair in the lost property box, but this often had the same effect as they probably didnt fit very well and were missing the tie cord. They'd stay up in the water but it was hard to haul yourself out onto the side without baring your bottom in the process.
Baddiel grew up in Dollis Hill, Willesden, North London. He attended primary school at the North West London Jewish Day School in Brent. After studying at Haberdashers' Aske's Boys' School in Elstree, an independent school near Borehamwood, Hertfordshire, he read English at King's College, Cambridge, where he was a member of the Cambridge Footlights, and graduated with a double first. He began studies for a PhD in English at University College London, but did not complete it.
Maltamons old school!
The Butler, Pennsylvania Blog ~: Butler Jr. High School ~clcing.blogspot.com/2012/04/b utler-jr-high-school.htmlCache d
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23 Apr 2012 – I remember back 1971 if you forgot your swimsuit you had to swim naked. In all the times I had swimming, I can only recall one kid have to go "o'natural." Can you imagine trying that policy today.
April 25, 2012
Ah, thanks for bring back the repressed memories of certain gym teachers toweling off naked in front of the boys locker room door while another teacher's swimming class was going on during the 1980s.
April 28, 2012
In the mid-60s I saw Mr. Mellinger toss in a rotund kid who always brought an excuse to swim class when he got fed up with him.
Another quaint practice that has fortunately outlived it's usefulness.
Charles Höchenschwand, Baden Württemberg, Germany
Charles Cingolani, born in Butler, Pennsylvania, teacher, served in the U.S. Army, studied and taught in the States and abroad and now lives in the Black Forest in southern Germany
Monday, April 23, 2012
Butler Jr. High School ~
End all naked abuse in Schools Censored!
DJW- HONOR BOUND TO DEFEND PRIVACY! KEEP YOUR PRIVATES PRIVATE IN SCHOOL.
#546 Dec 9, 2012
Nah. Richie P's experience of enjoying nude swimming as a kid doesn't turn me on, DJ. Which is precisely the point.
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