Lawrence

Boerne, TX

#24 May 13, 2011
Chew on this one. Might not be the right place to post but it definitely is related to double standard...

Here is an excerpt from a report : Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, 2008-09

ƒƒ Most victims of staff sexual misconduct were males; most
perpetrators were females. Among male victims of staff, those in jails reported sexual activity with female staff. An
additional 16% of prison inmates and 18% of jail inmates
reported sexual activity with both female and male staff.

The report is available here: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpj...

So, our society would have you believe that men are the pervs (all of us), and women are always the victim. This report seems to show that, not only are women just as invested in rape as men are, they are leading the category. This actually is not surprising considering that women staff in prisons are given a higher level of authority over male prisoners than male staff in female prisons. Female prison guards are allowed to do strip searches including pat downs on male prisoners and in most cases any where and anytime they choose. Male staff are usually not even allowed to be present when female prisoners are strip searched and usually female strip searches are done in a private area out of view of anyone else. Just more examples of the horrible double standard that exists exacerbated by the misreporting in media and the misrepresentation in shows on TV and film. Additionally, the report shows that the majority of victims in female prisons are assaulted by another female prisoner, making the number of female perpetrators soar even higher. To give these reports real numbers as extrapolated from the table on page 23, there were 43,455 male inmates assaulted by staff in prison or jail, of those, 67.6% were assaulted by a female staffer alone, and 16.6% were assaulted by a female staffer and a male staffer together. So of the 53,455 male inmates included in the report, 17,323 were assaulted by a Male Staff and 50,134 were assaulted by a Female Staff. Even more surprising, of the 3,608 female inmates included in the report, 1,192 were assaulted by a Male Staff and 3,552 were assaulted by a Female Staff. Combined, of the 57,063 prisoners, 18,515 were assaulted by a Male Staffer and 53,686 were assaulted by a Female Staffer. Shockingly, the percentage of Female Staff perpetrators is the same whether it is a Male Inmate or Female Inmate. Tell me that result is what everyone expected based on the way Hollywood writes the scripts for their TV shows and the media reports on crimes.

another interesting read: http://www.canadiancrc.com/Female_Sex_Offende...
CaDad

Rocklin, CA

#25 May 14, 2011
Very disturbing but real.
Why women escape this oversight is simply amazing.

“Tell the truth, then run”

Since: Mar 11

New York, NY

#26 May 14, 2011
Lawrence wrote:
Chew on this one. Might not be the right place to post but it definitely is related to double standard...
Here is an excerpt from a report : Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, 2008-09
ƒƒ Most victims of staff sexual misconduct were males; most
perpetrators were females. Among male victims of staff, those in jails reported sexual activity with female staff. An
additional 16% of prison inmates and 18% of jail inmates
reported sexual activity with both female and male staff.
The report is available here: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpj...
So, our society would have you believe that men are the pervs (all of us), and women are always the victim. This report seems to show that, not only are women just as invested in rape as men are, they are leading the category. This actually is not surprising considering that women staff in prisons are given a higher level of authority over male prisoners than male staff in female prisons. Female prison guards are allowed to do strip searches including pat downs on male prisoners and in most cases any where and anytime they choose. Male staff are usually not even allowed to be present when female prisoners are strip searched and usually female strip searches are done in a private area out of view of anyone else. Just more examples of the horrible double standard that exists exacerbated by the misreporting in media and the misrepresentation in shows on TV and film. Additionally, the report shows that the majority of victims in female prisons are assaulted by another female prisoner, making the number of female perpetrators soar even higher. To give these reports real numbers as extrapolated from the table on page 23, there were 43,455 male inmates assaulted by staff in prison or jail, of those, 67.6% were assaulted by a female staffer alone, and 16.6% were assaulted by a female staffer and a male staffer together. So of the 53,455 male inmates included in the report, 17,323 were assaulted by a Male Staff and 50,134 were assaulted by a Female Staff. Even more surprising, of the 3,608 female inmates included in the report, 1,192 were assaulted by a Male Staff and 3,552 were assaulted by a Female Staff. Combined, of the 57,063 prisoners, 18,515 were assaulted by a Male Staffer and 53,686 were assaulted by a Female Staffer. Shockingly, the percentage of Female Staff perpetrators is the same whether it is a Male Inmate or Female Inmate. Tell me that result is what everyone expected based on the way Hollywood writes the scripts for their TV shows and the media reports on crimes.
another interesting read: http://www.canadiancrc.com/Female_Sex_Offende...
Prepare to be attacked by the perverts here who can't comprehend that males can be victims, and women can be perpetrators.

Excellent post, by the way.Even though it will be lost on the fetishists, they don't matter.The majority of people are normal, and this post will be appreciated by those normal people.
CaDad

Rocklin, CA

#27 May 14, 2011
well said.
coyot e

Bridgewater, Canada

#29 May 15, 2011
CaDad wrote:
Very disturbing but real.
Why women escape this oversight is simply amazing.
CaDad: there seem to be contradictions here- google sexual abuse to male/female inmates and it will dispute the above findings. In fairness I suppose there are countless factors to measure such as females subject to abuse prior to being detained... interesting though !
CaDad

Rocklin, CA

#30 May 17, 2011
It is interesting and unfathomable that as a so called civilized society we allow the ritual dehumanization and exploitation of any member of the human race. If the men did what the women now do , in the name of equal opportunity, they themselves would be out in jail.
But it is off topic, back to the medical profession. I can assure you the group is divided on the subject of human dignity. Even though we have HIPPA protection, it is just not enforced to any real degree. Personally, I think it is time we added to the HIPPA law and started enforcing it. It would be a small step in the right direction.
coyot e

Bridgewater, Canada

#31 May 17, 2011
Good point and doubt anyone would disagree with your comments re the topic ! However; your first para is rather silly... methinks
CaDad

Rocklin, CA

#32 May 25, 2011
Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Everything on this forum is well said compared to the garbage you post, Dumb-Ass!
well well well, yet another reasoned, thoughtful, rebuke! Aren't we showing off our intelligence today lol.
Katie

UK

#34 May 26, 2011
Lawrence wrote:
Chew on this one. Might not be the right place to post but it definitely is related to double standard...
Here is an excerpt from a report : Sexual Victimization in Prisons and Jails Reported by Inmates, 2008-09
&#131;&#131; Most victims of staff sexual misconduct were males; most
perpetrators were females. Among male victims of staff, those in jails reported sexual activity with female staff. An
additional 16% of prison inmates and 18% of jail inmates
reported sexual activity with both female and male staff.
The report is available here: http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/svpj...
So, our society would have you believe that men are the pervs (all of us), and women are always the victim. This report seems to show that, not only are women just as invested in rape as men are, they are leading the category. This actually is not surprising considering that women staff in prisons are given a higher level of authority over male prisoners than male staff in female prisons. Female prison guards are allowed to do strip searches including pat downs on male prisoners and in most cases any where and anytime they choose. Male staff are usually not even allowed to be present when female prisoners are strip searched and usually female strip searches are done in a private area out of view of anyone else. Just more examples of the horrible double standard that exists exacerbated by the misreporting in media and the misrepresentation in shows on TV and film. Additionally, the report shows that the majority of victims in female prisons are assaulted by another female prisoner, making the number of female perpetrators soar even higher. To give these reports real numbers as extrapolated from the table on page 23, there were 43,455 male inmates assaulted by staff in prison or jail, of those, 67.6% were assaulted by a female staffer alone, and 16.6% were assaulted by a female staffer and a male staffer together. So of the 53,455 male inmates included in the report, 17,323 were assaulted by a Male Staff and 50,134 were assaulted by a Female Staff. Even more surprising, of the 3,608 female inmates included in the report, 1,192 were assaulted by a Male Staff and 3,552 were assaulted by a Female Staff. Combined, of the 57,063 prisoners, 18,515 were assaulted by a Male Staffer and 53,686 were assaulted by a Female Staffer. Shockingly, the percentage of Female Staff perpetrators is the same whether it is a Male Inmate or Female Inmate. Tell me that result is what everyone expected based on the way Hollywood writes the scripts for their TV shows and the media reports on crimes.
another interesting read: http://www.canadiancrc.com/Female_Sex_Offende...
To Lawrence hello well what can i say to that one except that sexual abuse does go on in prisons.Sorry to say that it is the same the world over.The younger the prisoner the more he is at risk.
coyote

Kingston, Canada

#38 Aug 5, 2011
can anyone explain why males are expected to be immodest in health care but female modesty is a priority ? How can it be accepted teen girls are permitted to shower etc. males in hospitals yet the reverse is prohibited- guess it gets ridiculous when sexuality is the constant response- I am not advocating cross gender bathing in health care but am questioning the double standard. Where does it come from that all males are perverted ? Is this simply an item from the "older female nurses" which seems to be the issue from the Sherman/Bernstein blogs- I think I understand modesty but in health care it would be more acceptable if it was a given each gender was treated the same re opposite sex care givers- I am male and fail to equate why a female caregiver should have any elevation over a male caregiver- just do not understand and/or accept the sexuality thing-sorry !!
coyote

Kingston, Canada

#40 Aug 8, 2011
Carl Zeiss: I would think "most" normal men would be uncomfortable being showered by young female aides in health care- not saying all-only most. However; to each their own ! Hey- what normal male wants to be showered by another male ? There is not much option but I assume normal modesty would be the issue. You refer to sexuality which I think is not the issue here (other than gender ID) so possibly you are the one who should visit your suggested forum..
Jack KIng

Lewisville, TX

#41 Aug 13, 2011
Personally, I want male nurses driven away. I'd prefer to be examined in front of female nurses and female doctors.
Jack KIng

Lewisville, TX

#42 Aug 13, 2011
coyote wrote:
Carl Zeiss: I would think "most" normal men would be uncomfortable being showered by young female aides in health care- not saying all-only most.
Where in the hell did you ever get that stupid idea?? I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that most of the guys i know would prefer being showered by a female nurse rather than a male one.

Don't spread widely false info just because being naked in front of a woman makes you nervous, dude.
coyote

Kingston, Canada

#44 Aug 13, 2011
Jack Klng: "don't spread widely ......". That sure was not the intent. There are a lot of forums relating to this topic of male modesty which are blogs of drs., journalists etc. attempting to gather info on what is seen to be a factor in the high percentage of males who reject health care. The no. put for the U.S. falls in the 50% to 54% range and they are trying to determine why this is ? Seems there is not much info as to the reason and this is causing all info possible to be drawn from John Q. You may wish to check these blogs out and be surprised at the info being posted by male and female posters giving thought to the overall topic. Male modesty is one of the factors being observed and male/female are suggesting a perception of a dble std "may" be a contributor. My modesty in health care is almost zero and it seems you and I are very fortunate in this regard. Thanx....
Rebelheart

Birmingham, AL

#46 Sep 21, 2011
That's funny. No, I haven't had any problem with nurses or doctors. Not especially modest and don't have any special body parts, just the originally installed factory equipment which is shared with about half the rest of the population. To avoid medical care because you are afraid some nurse will see your little dick is about the silliest thing I think I have ever heard.
Rebelheart

Birmingham, AL

#48 Sep 22, 2011
Look Dickhead, Don't talk to me, about me, or with me. As far as I am concerned you don't and never did, exist. For the last time, LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. period. end of story. go away.
STFU, drop dead.
coyote

Kingston, Canada

#52 Nov 15, 2011
CaDad wrote:
I am postulating on the topic, desperately trying to come up with some reasonable explanation on the behavior. The laws are certainly in place. It's the culture, the administration, which chooses to ignore the complaint.No effort is given or taken to address the issue. Men are simply ignored or berated if they ask for same gender care of privacy. And I might add, their holier then thou attitude is such a load of ****, they do all the things that are attributed to men and more. This maternal instinct simply is a charade when it comes to males, young and old.
CaDad- have you found any reasons to the problem ? I have spent some time recently visiting a friend in hospital and being aware of this topic have been observing the procedures from a visitor's perspective. The dis regard for patient modesty is at times very obvious but it does not seem to be only towards the male patients. Not sure if you are still out there but making the inquiry...
Lonewolf

Batesburg, SC

#53 Nov 15, 2011
Some female nurses are resentful at males in their profession.They won't readily admit it,but,I've witnessed it firsthand.
coyote

Kingston, Canada

#56 Nov 16, 2011
t-dude you dummy !!! Who started this topic and if you cannot contribute go back to your husband before immigration gets ya !!
Lawrence

Boerne, TX

#57 Dec 23, 2011
In regards to some peoples' assertion that male modesty does not affect our decision making, let relate a story that happened to me. I went in for a tonsillectomy. Prior to surgery, I was taken to a room that had curtains to section it off. You can hear the other conversations going on in the room. I heard a nurse talking to a female in another section. She offered her, and the female pre-op accepted, a pair of "Modesty Panties" to wear with her gown during surgery since she had to surrender ALL her personal clothing. She then said she would leave to let her get changed, and would return in a few minutes. A nurse was in the section I was in. She told me to remove my clothes and put on the gown. I was not offered any Modesty Underwear" and I was only having surgery on my throat. She also did not leave to allow me to change but waited for me to get changed. Then I was taken to another room, placed on a gurney, and given an anesthesia. I awoke in the recovery room. I was groggy and unable to move much. My gown was hanging of the gurney in front of me. It was very cold in there and I could tell I was completely uncovered (exposed). I tried in vein to pull the gown up and cover myself. A nurse walking by saw what I was doing and pulled my gown up to cover me. I later awoke in a room, already in bed, in a different gown than the one I started with. I don't know when or how my gown was changed. I also don't know if it was a different gown than the pre-op one I had. I can only imagine when they changed it. Maybe they laid me out naked on the gurney during surgery and then put a clean gown on me after. I don't know. I have spoken to some nurses I know and they said a lot of what happened to me is not supposed to be acceptable procedure. Nurses are supposed to leave you alone pre-op when you change unless you need assistance. You are not supposed to be completely naked during surgery, only uncovered as needed for procedure and things like catheters. And you are not supposed to be left exposed in recovery. The nurses I spoke to also seemed like they were surprised that it bothered me, but when asked, they said they would be upset if they wake up in recovery naked and a male was walking by.(So why was it so surprising that i was upset? because I am a male was there response).
Anyway, I won't go to the doctor or a hospital unless it is absolutely necessary because they are not looking out for my welfare or modesty, they are just doing their 9-5 job and could care less about me, especially since I am a male. Maybe that is a bit unfair, but it is my perception based on how I was treated. And I know I am not an "Exception". My wife tells me it shouldn't bother because males are supposed to be used to it. We have gang showers in school when most females have optional or completely private stall to shower, we stand next to each other when we pee in urinals, and more. She cannot understand why my modesty hasn't been removed. What she doesn't understand is that I resent being forced into those situations when the powers that be make accommodations for female privacy.
I even recently read a story about a female chief of staff somewhere like Washington state, who took cell phone photos of her naked male patients' genitals while they were under anesthesia. This went on for some years while everyone else in the room ignored it. Finally a nurse spoke up and pressed the issue. The female doctor was finally stopped from doing surgeries but the nurse who spoke up lost her job and was black listed. If it had been a male doctor taking photos of females nude under anesthesia, it would have been front page news, he would have been a convicted sex offender, and we would have had an investigation into all other male doctors,...
Just watch "Life in the ER" on Discovery Health and you will see the same things...

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