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MaltaMon

Philadelphia, PA

#740 Dec 21, 2012
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>
And a Merry Christmas to you too!
I regard Christmas as an economic necessity--an element of the economy that has become essential to it. And, I realize, it's fun for children. I'd enjoy it more if it were celebrated every five years. 9066
DJW

Wythenshawe, UK

#741 Dec 22, 2012
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> And I said that, according to that answer, you believe that your view regarding a student's refusal to shower should take precedence over the view that making him shower is good for the entire school as well as for the student himself.
The right of the student to conscientiously object to the communal shower must always take precedence Maltamon. No-one should be conscripted into nudity by the educational "establishment".

Keeping a pupils private parts, " private", is good for the entire school and him/herself.

The student can shower at home.

Merry Christmas and Happy (Non) Nude year!
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Sevierville, TN

#742 Dec 22, 2012
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't say that.
You asked where 'forced' nudity still exists and I answered your question.
Phil the Pill, aka the Queen of Denial on Topix:

Every post includes at least one, "I didn't say that." or "I never said that." or "Show me where I ever said that?"

Phil is a compulsive LIAR (among other things), one of his most blatant lies being when he denied saying communal male nudity was "gay". Phil said and construed this on several occasions, tarring myself and military men who recall communal male showers and latrines fondly as "gay".

Now get ready for another denial.
DJW

Wythenshawe, UK

#743 Dec 22, 2012
Nude Physical In Fourth Grade
By: KristyLeigh02
Written on September 2nd, 2011As mentioned elsewhere on this board, Ridgewick elementary school was rather strict on the subject of check ups and vaccinations. We underwent physical exams at least once a year, usually around the beginning of the semester. These were embarrassing enough in themselves, but they were a normal part of our school routine, something we could laugh about once we got used to the novelty. All of this changed after we reached the fourth grade.

Some of you may recall a well-publicized "health scare" during the mid-70s. It received a great deal of media attention, generating a wave of moral hysteria which continued well into the 1980s. Following a “witch hunt” involving two nearby institutions, our School Board over-reacted to the perceived threat (to their reputation) by overhauling their health and safety regulations.

Amongst the many changes they ratified was a policy stating that every girl in the school had to submit to a complete physical. The District Court mandated the new policy, meaning that parental consent was not required. Literally nobody was exempt – the Board ruled that the examination was compulsory for all female students, regardless of their medical documentation. Any girl who failed to attend would be suspended indefinitely, and their parents would be prosecuted for truancy. Not surprisingly, very few families contested the "New Policy".

Starting in the fourth grade, we took our medicals in the main auditorium rather than the school clinic. Although the check-ups were gender-segregated, we were now required to remove all of our clothing. The physical was conducted in two parts; a preliminary exam for breathing, eyesight, hearing etc, followed by a "genital health" inspection by the school physician. For some of us, this was the very first time we’d ever been touched down there by a general practitioner, so the experience was somewhat traumatic to say the least.

After we were assembled in the auditorium, we were ordered to ***** down to our panties, leaving our clothes on a row of seats near the main doorway. There were various tables set up around the room where we were weighed and measured in groups of four. I guess this part wasn’t too bad, as it wasn’t much different to our previous exams. However, we were all rather nervous about the "New Policy"; the rumor mill had been in full swing for weeks and we had no concrete idea of what to expect.

After the preliminary was finished, we were instructed to step behind a screen and remove our panties. We did this one at a time, leaving our underwear in small plastic baskets on a long desk. The nurse then directed us to an examination table on the other side of the room. We later referred to this as "the walk of shame", due to the emotions induced by walking naked across the auditorium. We were no longer infants: none of us felt comfortable with public nudity – even in front of other girls – and the ordeal left us virtually breathless with shock.

Same as before, Dr Roberts checked us over from head to foot with his magnifying scope, noting birthmarks, scrapes and abrasions on his report. He also checked our flexibility, arching spines and stretching our limbs into unusual positions. Bear in mind that we were stark naked throughout all of this, our bodies on open display to everybody in the room.

I recall the Doctor telling me to stand before him with my legs spread and my hands laced behind my head while he examined my nipples and labia. At one point, he adjusted his magnifier and spread my lips with his thumbs. This was, of course, a terrible personal intrusion, but being so young, I could only gasp in silent humiliation. As in previous years, I had no idea what he was looking for (though naturally, I have my suspicions now). Mortifying though it was, I had absolutely no idea how much worse it was about to become.
DJW

Wythenshawe, UK

#744 Dec 22, 2012
After this cursory inspection, the real examination began. Directing me to lie down on the table, Dr Robur placed my legs in the semi-supine position, parting my knees to allow an unimpeded view of my vagina. One of the nurses appeared by his side with a clip board, jotting down notes as he muttered away in medical jargon. Feeling his fingers parting my lips once more, I bit my lip and held my breath, trying not to cry. He spread my labia much wider than he had before, leaning in for an extreme close up.

I suppose this only lasted a matter of seconds, but from my perspective it seemed like hours. I’m not sure if my memory is completely accurate in this regard, but I recall him touching and probing about inside while he discussed my intact hymen with the nurse. She scribbled something down on her clipboard, stepping in to confirm what he’d told her, then told me I could climb down from the table. The genital exam was finished.

The Doctor dismissed me with a wave of his hand, indicating I should put my panties back on. Walking back across the room was somehow more humiliating than the labial inspection. I remember many of us choking down tears as we made our way over to the screen. For me, it was one of the most degrading moments of my life, forced to parade naked and weeping before an auditorium absolutely packed with complete strangers.

That was possibly the worst part of this treadmill of humiliation: there seemed to be an awful lot of people in the assembly hall that day: teachers, school officials, health care workers and so on. Ostensibly, they were meant to ensure that the exams were performed according to state-approved protocols, but there appeared to be a large number of superfluous personnel – most of them male. I guess some of them might have been concerned parents, but I fail to see why the vice principal and his nameless assistants needed to be present.

Needless to say, the adults gave very little consideration to our feelings on the matter; the thought probably never crossed their minds. As far as they were concerned, we were children and it didn't matter if anyone saw us naked.
Phil

Dunfermline, UK

#745 Dec 22, 2012
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<quoted text>
Phil the Pill, aka the Queen of Denial on Topix:
Every post includes at least one, "I didn't say that." or "I never said that." or "Show me where I ever said that?"
Phil is a compulsive LIAR (among other things), one of his most blatant lies being when he denied saying communal male nudity was "gay". Phil said and construed this on several occasions, tarring myself and military men who recall communal male showers and latrines fondly as "gay".
Now get ready for another denial.
"when he denied saying communal male nudity was "gay"

Show me where I said that communal male nudity is gay.
All I have ever argued is that communal showers should not be compulsory but what do you expect from a moron who suggests that because one man posts that he thought forced nude swimming for boys felt normal to him that it must mean, therefore that almost everybody thought it was normal.
MaltaMon

Blackwood, NJ

#746 Dec 22, 2012
DJW wrote:
After this cursory inspection, the real examination began. Directing me to lie down on the table, Dr Robur placed my legs in the semi-supine position, parting my knees to allow an unimpeded view of my vagina. One of the nurses appeared by his side with a clip board, jotting down notes as he muttered away in medical jargon. Feeling his fingers parting my lips once more, I bit my lip and held my breath, trying not to cry. He spread my labia much wider than he had before, leaning in for an extreme close up.
I suppose this only lasted a matter of seconds, but from my perspective it seemed like hours. I’m not sure if my memory is completely accurate in this regard, but I recall him touching and probing about inside while he discussed my intact hymen with the nurse. She scribbled something down on her clipboard, stepping in to confirm what he’d told her, then told me I could climb down from the table. The genital exam was finished.
The Doctor dismissed me with a wave of his hand, indicating I should put my panties back on. Walking back across the room was somehow more humiliating than the labial inspection. I remember many of us choking down tears as we made our way over to the screen. For me, it was one of the most degrading moments of my life, forced to parade naked and weeping before an auditorium absolutely packed with complete strangers.
That was possibly the worst part of this treadmill of humiliation: there seemed to be an awful lot of people in the assembly hall that day: teachers, school officials, health care workers and so on. Ostensibly, they were meant to ensure that the exams were performed according to state-approved protocols, but there appeared to be a large number of superfluous personnel – most of them male. I guess some of them might have been concerned parents, but I fail to see why the vice principal and his nameless assistants needed to be present.
Needless to say, the adults gave very little consideration to our feelings on the matter; the thought probably never crossed their minds. As far as they were concerned, we were children and it didn't matter if anyone saw us naked.
Okay, Dear. Did you get over it?
MaltaMon

Blackwood, NJ

#747 Dec 22, 2012
My hunch is no. It's a horribly detailed story. Sounds awful. Sorry, my dear, but I don't buy it. Not unless you are the last survivor of the Spanish Inquisition. You were doing all right until you took us all back to your labia. Your recall of your experience as a none year-old, biting your lip as the physician parted your labia, is over the top. It's decent work from an aspiring writer who wants to put the reader right in the examination room, and on the table, with the narrator. I hope that you will consider a sequel. Perhaps a nude pre-abortion physical exam complete with trans-vaginal ultrasound
MaltaMon

Blackwood, NJ

#748 Dec 22, 2012
** nine year-old
Phil

Dunfermline, UK

#749 Dec 23, 2012
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>
"when he denied saying communal male nudity was "gay"
Show me where I said that communal male nudity is gay.
All I have ever argued is that communal showers should not be compulsory but what do you expect from a moron who suggests that because one man posts that he thought forced nude swimming for boys felt normal to him that it must mean, therefore that almost everybody thought it was normal.
Notice how when challenged to back up his claims goes rather quiet?
MaltaMon

Conshohocken, PA

#751 Dec 23, 2012
(Now that's not going to be pretty...)
DJW

Southampton, UK

#752 Dec 26, 2012
Voluntary showers are always pretty. lets stop conscripting innocent school children to the communal shower. My New Year's Resolution is to ensure privates are kept private in the physical education arena throughout all schools. Lets end all state sponsored child abuse in 2013!
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Kingsport, TN

#753 Dec 26, 2012
DJW wrote:
Voluntary showers are always pretty. lets stop conscripting innocent school children to the communal shower. My New Year's Resolution is to ensure privates are kept private in the physical education arena throughout all schools. Lets end all state sponsored child abuse in 2013!
"privates kept private"?? "child abuse"??
After what you posted the other day? Everyone sees what you are now, so spare us more of your demented crap.
MaltaMon

Philadelphia, PA

#754 Dec 26, 2012
DJW wrote:
Voluntary showers are always pretty. lets stop conscripting innocent school children to the communal shower. My New Year's Resolution is to ensure privates are kept private in the physical education arena throughout all schools. Lets end all state sponsored child abuse in 2013!
A disgracefully hypocritical statement from a child predator who traffics in the photographic images of naked underaged boys, many of them posed and shot by photographers in their studios. A "man" whose protests now clearly ring hollow, the empty and intentionally mendacious statements of a self-revealed pedophile.
MaltaMon

Philadelphia, PA

#755 Dec 26, 2012
DJW decries the forced nudity of boys for purposes of hygiene and safety--denounces as sexually exploitative the use on boys of "topless" swimwear--yet defends his posting of hundreds of photos of underaged boys, most of whom are completely nude, others of whom are posed in sexually suggestive positions while clad only in very skimpy underwear briefs. I'm reporting him and his postings, all of them to the Federal Bureau of Invedtgation in this country, where Topix is based, and to Scotland Yard in the United Kingdom, where DJW lives. Topix just this year obeyed a ruling by the US District Court and turned over to the court and the FBI the IP information of all posters to one thread in order to identify a defendants in a CIVIL case--a lawsuit. And the investigation that followed was successful in identifying the perpetrators. This involves criminal law, so we shall all be investigated. I suggest that you avoid any statements or activity that may be construed as aiding and abetting his criminal activity.
MaltaMon

Philadelphia, PA

#756 Dec 26, 2012
Mind you, to date nobody but DJW has posted anything remotely criminal in nature. However, statements in his defense will likely prompt more thorough investigations of the internet activity of those who express their overt or tacit support. Makes sense, doesn't it? And to DJW: I gave you several chances to explain your posting of a link to a site that is devoted to the presentation and the promotion of child pornography. You chose instead a posture of defiance, which reveals you and your posting of that link as a criminal. I wish that I didn't have to do this, but it is now clear that you should be investigated thoriughly
Phil

Dunfermline, UK

#757 Dec 26, 2012
"I suggest that you avoid any statements or activity that may be construed as aiding and abetting his criminal activity"

I suggest no more posts, period, as they say over the pond.
MaltaMon

Philadelphia, PA

#758 Dec 26, 2012
Very well.
MaltaMon

Woodstown, NJ

#759 Feb 1, 2013
For those who suffer from nostalgia for the departed DJW. This was the other strand he dominated until his abrupt and ignominious departure late in December. Also features some of the greatest hits of "These Bob Threads"
coyote

Halifax, Canada

#760 Feb 3, 2013
DJW wrote:
Voluntary showers are always pretty. lets stop conscripting innocent school children to the communal shower. My New Year's Resolution is to ensure privates are kept private in the physical education arena throughout all schools. Lets end all state sponsored child abuse in 2013!
OK- done---now what's next ??

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