Act Up is Back With July 17 Protest

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As the result of an alleged case of HIV discrimination, ACT UP has called all activists to gather in front of Mt.

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#1 Jul 16, 2013
This doesn't require a big protest. They're (again) doing this for their egos.

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#2 Jul 17, 2013
I'm not adverse to using any means to avoid HIV, but I wonder how it would be used or abused. Rather than asking the right questions and getting proof of status, are people going to just go out willy-nilly having sex, and then ask for the treatment? Is it free, or does one pay for it? Is it covered by insurance? And if it is not free, how much does it cost? These are all pertinent questions.

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#3 Jul 17, 2013
RalphB wrote:
I'm not adverse to using any means to avoid HIV, but I wonder how it would be used or abused. Rather than asking the right questions and getting proof of status, are people going to just go out willy-nilly having sex, and then ask for the treatment? Is it free, or does one pay for it? Is it covered by insurance? And if it is not free, how much does it cost? These are all pertinent questions.
A 28 day post-exposure prophylaxis course of treatment runs about $1100, most insurance programs include them in their coverage, so you'd pay what you would for $1100 of other prescriptions. If you work in a job where you run risk of exposure, medical, police, fire/rescue, they're usually free if job related. In an emergency room setting they would automatically be prescribed in any case of reported rape or sexual abuse involving penetration, or for anyone who is uninfected but who has in any way put themselves at risk of exposure. While "stupid enough to have gone bareback" is an unfortunate reason to have to submit yourself to a course of noxious pharmaceuticals, it shouldn't matter.

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#4 Jul 17, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>A 28 day post-exposure prophylaxis course of treatment runs about $1100, most insurance programs include them in their coverage, so you'd pay what you would for $1100 of other prescriptions. If you work in a job where you run risk of exposure, medical, police, fire/rescue, they're usually free if job related. In an emergency room setting they would automatically be prescribed in any case of reported rape or sexual abuse involving penetration, or for anyone who is uninfected but who has in any way put themselves at risk of exposure. While "stupid enough to have gone bareback" is an unfortunate reason to have to submit yourself to a course of noxious pharmaceuticals, it shouldn't matter.
It's nice to know someone on here is educated. I was asking those questions for a purpose, and someone gave me a "spam" icon, as if my questions were stupid. In any event, it's the "willy-nilly" thing that concerns me. But, I suppose stupid is as stupid does.

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#5 Jul 17, 2013
RalphB wrote:
It's nice to know someone on here is educated. I was asking those questions for a purpose, and someone gave me a "spam" icon, as if my questions were stupid. In any event, it's the "willy-nilly" thing that concerns me. But, I suppose stupid is as stupid does.
We're here to share information. The idea behind PEP wasn't to make up for not using a condom, but for those put at risk by accident or because someone deliberately tried to infect them. The CDC has been recommending a 28 day course of the drug cocktail for exposure incidents since 2005, it's proved effective in preventing the virus from causing infection.

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#6 Jul 17, 2013
RalphB wrote:
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It's nice to know someone on here is educated. I was asking those questions for a purpose, and someone gave me a "spam" icon, as if my questions were stupid. In any event, it's the "willy-nilly" thing that concerns me. But, I suppose stupid is as stupid does.
The poster who labelled you doesn't know what "spam" is.

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Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#7 Jul 18, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>We're here to share information. The idea behind PEP wasn't to make up for not using a condom, but for those put at risk by accident or because someone deliberately tried to infect them. The CDC has been recommending a 28 day course of the drug cocktail for exposure incidents since 2005, it's proved effective in preventing the virus from causing infection.
I'm sure the intent of offering the treatment was good, but you know the old adage, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions". It's almost like saying, "here's your free pass for promiscuity". Now, please note, I am not against the treatment by any means. I'm just saying it could be a by-product.

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#8 Jul 18, 2013
RalphB wrote:
I'm sure the intent of offering the treatment was good, but you know the old adage, "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions". It's almost like saying, "here's your free pass for promiscuity". Now, please note, I am not against the treatment by any means. I'm just saying it could be a by-product.
While it has likely been used by a few to try and make up for their own stupidity, it's still a 28 day course of not real pleasant to be on pharmaceuticals, that would need to be repeated after each possible exposure. I imagine once someone has gone through it once because they were stupid enough to volunteer to need it, it is really unlikely they would want to again.

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Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#9 Jul 18, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>While it has likely been used by a few to try and make up for their own stupidity, it's still a 28 day course of not real pleasant to be on pharmaceuticals, that would need to be repeated after each possible exposure. I imagine once someone has gone through it once because they were stupid enough to volunteer to need it, it is really unlikely they would want to again.
I have to agree on the "not real pleasant to be on pharmaceuticals" statement. I've been there, done that, and it wasn't pleasant. If that is the case perhaps it will prevent what I feared. My experience was not with anything to do with STDs, but I suppose the experience is the same.

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#10 Jul 18, 2013
RalphB wrote:
I have to agree on the "not real pleasant to be on pharmaceuticals" statement. I've been there, done that, and it wasn't pleasant. If that is the case perhaps it will prevent what I feared. My experience was not with anything to do with STDs, but I suppose the experience is the same.
I know far too many people who need to be on the cocktail, none of them want to be there. Speaking from my current state of being on not real pleasant to be on pharmaceuticals, I know how they feel.

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#11 Jul 18, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I know far too many people who need to be on the cocktail, none of them want to be there. Speaking from my current state of being on not real pleasant to be on pharmaceuticals, I know how they feel.
I remember reading a couple of your posts about it. If I prayed, I would include you. Since I don't, I will simply hope the best for you. Altho, I might just send up a prayer, also. Being an agnostic, "ya never know".

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#12 Jul 18, 2013
RalphB wrote:
I remember reading a couple of your posts about it. If I prayed, I would include you. Since I don't, I will simply hope the best for you. Altho, I might just send up a prayer, also. Being an agnostic, "ya never know".
I appreciate it, this too shall pass and it's getting closer. The vision problems are gone and with any luck, tomorrow will be the last day of the seriously unpleasant pharmaceuticals. The plus side is no more excess body fat, I found out that I did have abs under my former middle age spread.

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Since: Jan 09

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#13 Jul 18, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>I appreciate it, this too shall pass and it's getting closer. The vision problems are gone and with any luck, tomorrow will be the last day of the seriously unpleasant pharmaceuticals. The plus side is no more excess body fat, I found out that I did have abs under my former middle age spread.
Yeah, I do to, somewhere. But mine is not "middle aged" anymore. It is comfortably "Golden Years".

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#14 Jul 18, 2013
RalphB wrote:
Yeah, I do to, somewhere. But mine is not "middle aged" anymore. It is comfortably "Golden Years".
I expect mine to vanish again once food and I are on speaking terms again.

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