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Blacks attend underfunded 'racially separate' colleges

There are 27 comments on the New Pittsburgh Courier Online story from Aug 6, 2013, titled Blacks attend underfunded 'racially separate' colleges. In it, New Pittsburgh Courier Online reports that:

Despite high test scores and access to higher education, Black students often attend poorly-funded colleges and receive certificates instead of earning degrees, according to a recent report.

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Since: May 12

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#26 Aug 7, 2013
Savant wrote:
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The American Dream, except perhaps as envisioned by Dr.Martin Luther King, Jr., is an illusion. And a somewhat unimaginative (and often) vulgar illusion at that. In fact, tens of millions of Americans ARE too poor to establish a savings account. And if you think that even those who can put aside such a modest savings can thereby afford higher education, especially at an elite school, then you're out of touch with reality. For one thing that's not enough money given the exorbitant expenses of education. And someone who is able to put aside a modest savings most likely has a modest standard of living wherein one often faces financial emergencies (e.g. sickness, unemployment) which quickly wipe out those savings.
Indeed, higher education for the MASSES (initially white masses) only became possible with the GI Bill after World War 2. As for cars and such, the very poor cannot afford them, I was not able to afford a car until I began my academic profession. That is, after I'd moved from poverty to the middle class life of the professional intelligentsia.
As for you claim that whoever is poor should not have children, that is mainly a right wing bourgeois prejudice which, as Dr. King pointed out, reveals a twisted value system which values things above persons, and measures the worth of persons--of human life-by the size of one's wallet. I am committed to overthrowing the entire social order which generates such poisonous values. And I am glad that my impoverished parents didn't assume that they had no right to bear children.
Instread, I argue that s society as wealthy as the USA, or the Uk, is guilty of crimes against humanity by allowing--even creating--such poverty to begin with. And it is doubly guilty for demonizing the people whom this system has impoverished.
The poor gave us spirituals, blues, jazz, soul and yes, hip hop. From theo poor we were gifted with Fannie Lou Hamer, malcolm X, Richard Wright, James Baldwin and those who do most of the world's creating wealth for an elite who despises.
In short, not only to our interpretation of social reality differ; but values by which you and I evaluate reality are radically different.
There will always be rich and poor, dumb and intelligent. The reason why middle class BLACKS and whites stand a higher chance of getting into an elite college is because they are born to more intelligent parents. So they go to better schools, live in better environments because their intelligent parents have skills that gains them a good pay check and nice life.
The problem with Blacks, is that there is a lot of abuse, physical and emotional in black families. This behaviour hold back highly intelligent black children born into these abusive families. There are many highly intelligent BM and women living in projects or doing low grade jobs, simply because they were raised by abusive parents who beat down their self esteem and robbed these people of maximising their potential.
There are many blacks who should be living wealthy respected middle class lives, who are rotting in ghettos because they received appalling parenting and now have mental and emotional issues.
opening a savings plan and not raiding it to buy a new party dress or a bag of weed is the easy part... raising a self confident, happy child is the hard part.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#28 Aug 7, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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Maybe you don't know as much about white anglo culture as you think you do. Many ordinary white families start saving for their child's future even before the baby is born. There are many investment and savings accounts available and created specifically for this purpose. Their representatives will visit you in your home, discuss with you what you can reasonably afford to save for your child and give you projections for what figures you could expect to yeald in 18 years. This money usually goes on college, or a deposit on a house etc for the child.
You may see statistics for whites taking out student loans, but whites and asians of ten do this even if they have a college fund. The college fund is not enough to pay for you to go to college, but it is enough to make the difference between going to a reputable respected college and going to a poorly funded community college.
It doesn't make your child RICH, it simply gives them an option.
Many of these whites and asians take out student loans because the interest rates are so low. They take out the loan, put it straight into a high interest bank account and leave it there to earn money for them, then the pay it back to the government and keep the interest earned.
So to blacks like you, whose dad preferred to buy cigarettes instead of saving money for you and whose mom decided to by fake nails at a salon instead of saving for your future, it looks as if whites are living off student loans... when many of them are not.
Perhaps YOU don't understand either "Anglo American culutire" or American soicoeconomic REALITY as well as you think you do. Destitute whites, like destitute Blacks, do not have savings funds. They can't. That's what destitution means. Poor families that (like mine) were better than destitute, but still below even the official poverty line, cannot sustain savings. Often by the time rent and food are paid for NOTHING is left. Were it not for grants and loans I would NEVER have gone to college, never entered academia, and probably would still be confined to the projects or some part of the East Batlimore ghetto. I know from EXPERINCE as well as scholarly study, what poverty is about. My mother didn't smoke cigarettes and we didn't own any cars. The money simply wasn't therre. And your interlocutor was RIGHT. Most whites, who in GENERAL are economically better off than we, cannot afford the expenses of American higher education. Not even at state colleges, let alone a Vanderbilt, Brown or Harvard.
The whole Anglo Saxon ideology of individualism and the work ethic is a hoax, If the secret was really hard work and savings then my working class parents ought to have been able to save--and as a result of their WORK--to have had an easier time educating their children than those rich scalawags for whom they worked.
And anyone who thinks that you can afford an education with the cost of cigarettes is a doufus.
So you realize that one young lady who graduated from Vanderbilt (where I also studied) graudated owing $85,000! Duh...this is more than cigarette money, and more than the cost of a car. And even a fourth of that amount is beyond the means of most people.
There is a wall of difference between your bourgeois ideology and SOCIAL REALITY.

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#30 Aug 7, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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I know white fathers who start saving plans to pay for their daughter's wedding as soon as the doctor confirms they are having a girl child.... before the baby girl is even born.
I don't believe in excuses... there is no reason why a responsible parent would not open a savings plan for their child. No reason at all. These AAs can afford to wear $400 weaves and have tatoos that cost 100s of dollars... they have money, they just spend it on themselves and not their children's future.
These people have money for all the latest technological advances, the most expensive cell phones and handbags... they can afford to save money for their children, they CHOOSE to spend every penny as soon as they get it, on themselves. The average AA woman has only $5 in her bank account! How can any mother function like that? especially a single mother?
You will never persuade me that blacks are incapable of doing what whites and asians can do. We are not inherently inferior to anybody and we can be as organized and disciplined as any other parent.
From AA's, excuses is all you are going to get. Your point is solid, and is exactly what many whites do in America, and others in many countries. Being that AA's are so selfish, taking care of their kids is not top priority. They didn't want them in the first place. The reason why you see so many fatherless blacks in America. They never plan for anything(unless it's a riot), and reason poverty is so dominant in their communities. Trying to get this point across to savant and his sock attai is just a waste of time. Their mindset is always focused on blaming whitey for everything.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#31 Aug 7, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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There will always be rich and poor, dumb and intelligent. The reason why middle class BLACKS and whites stand a higher chance of getting into an elite college is because they are born to more intelligent parents. So they go to better schools, live in better environments because their intelligent parents have skills that gains them a good pay check and nice life.
The problem with Blacks, is that there is a lot of abuse, physical and emotional in black families. This behaviour hold back highly intelligent black children born into these abusive families. There are many highly intelligent BM and women living in projects or doing low grade jobs, simply because they were raised by abusive parents who beat down their self esteem and robbed these people of maximising their potential.
There are many blacks who should be living wealthy respected middle class lives, who are rotting in ghettos because they received appalling parenting and now have mental and emotional issues.
opening a savings plan and not raiding it to buy a new party dress or a bag of weed is the easy part... raising a self confident, happy child is the hard part.
I've no evidence that George W. Bush's parents are more intelliigne mine, only rich and white. I know that George Bush is LESS intelligent than mysself and my parents. The claim that there will always be rich and poor strikes me as akin to ancient ideas that there will always be slave and master, lord and serf, rulers and rules. I've no rason to believe this, and I'm reasonably sure that you can't prove it. It's simply a class elitist dogma designed to bolster the present system of injustice, the system of class and raical inequality. As to the claim--apparently an Anglo-Prostetant prejudice fairly common here as in England--that those who are better off are those who are more intelligent, that is s dogma so patently false that I can't see how any intelligent person can hold it.The immense number of rich dunces--a wealthy ignoranti wreathed in dollars and stupidity--makes the equating of prosperity with intelligence and virtue utterly laughable. It's like believing in flat earth theories or the divine rights of kings.
And as far as abusive families, the black and the poor, ain't got nothing on the rich and the white. In fact, there was NO abuse in my family. But I went to school with rich white students who came from abusive families, even if their money allowed them to maintain a respectable image. Perhaps one of the greatest benefits I got from my time at Vanderbilt University was to be able to observe the rich and white UP CLOSE and personal. Anyone who thinks their wealth is due to their superior intelligence and virtue is either woefully uninformed, or himself (or herself) some what lacking in intelligence.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#32 Aug 7, 2013
Masud_S_Hoghughi__ wrote:
<quoted text>I knew it - u went to college thru affirmative action........
In fact, I had very high SAT scores. And also high GRE scores. I succeeded in publishing a critique of philosphical theology while I was still a student.
Your self-evident stupidity lies in your assuming to KNOW what you cannot possibly know.
You ASSUME that if I am Black I could only have entered Vanderbilt by means of affirmative Action.
Moreover, you ASSUME that if one did enter by means of affirmative action that proves one is a student of inferior quality.
Stange that you racists never assume that the privileging of whites in education and other areas is evidence of white inferiority.

Since: May 12

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#35 Aug 7, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps YOU don't understand either "Anglo American culutire" or American soicoeconomic REALITY as well as you think you do. Destitute whites, like destitute Blacks, do not have savings funds. They can't. That's what destitution means. Poor families that (like mine) were better than destitute, but still below even the official poverty line, cannot sustain savings. Often by the time rent and food are paid for NOTHING is left. Were it not for grants and loans I would NEVER have gone to college, never entered academia, and probably would still be confined to the projects or some part of the East Batlimore ghetto. I know from EXPERINCE as well as scholarly study, what poverty is about. My mother didn't smoke cigarettes and we didn't own any cars. The money simply wasn't therre. And your interlocutor was RIGHT. Most whites, who in GENERAL are economically better off than we, cannot afford the expenses of American higher education. Not even at state colleges, let alone a Vanderbilt, Brown or Harvard.
The whole Anglo Saxon ideology of individualism and the work ethic is a hoax, If the secret was really hard work and savings then my working class parents ought to have been able to save--and as a result of their WORK--to have had an easier time educating their children than those rich scalawags for whom they worked.
And anyone who thinks that you can afford an education with the cost of cigarettes is a doufus.
So you realize that one young lady who graduated from Vanderbilt (where I also studied) graudated owing $85,000! Duh...this is more than cigarette money, and more than the cost of a car. And even a fourth of that amount is beyond the means of most people.
There is a wall of difference between your bourgeois ideology and SOCIAL REALITY.
I agree, we have a very different reality. In my reality destitute people shouldn't be having children. Why would any destitute person who is unable to provide sufficiently for themselves, bring an innocent child into that situation. So again, maybe AAs simply have children they cannot afford and those children have poorer outlooks than the children of parents who can afford them.

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#36 Aug 7, 2013
Raptors Revenge wrote:
<quoted text>From AA's, excuses is all you are going to get. Your point is solid, and is exactly what many whites do in America, and others in many countries. Being that AA's are so selfish, taking care of their kids is not top priority. They didn't want them in the first place. The reason why you see so many fatherless blacks in America. They never plan for anything(unless it's a riot), and reason poverty is so dominant in their communities. Trying to get this point across to savant and his sock attai is just a waste of time. Their mindset is always focused on blaming whitey for everything.
They are in a difficult situation, because the only way they can change the college funding system in America, is to gain positions of power. And they can't access these influential positions without a respected education :( Also I read that AAs have very low home ownership so they cannot even re-finance their homes to help fund their children through college as some other parents can do if they didn't plan and save over the years.

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