Blacks attend underfunded 'racially separate' colleges

Aug 6, 2013 Full story: New Pittsburgh Courier Online 27

Despite high test scores and access to higher education, Black students often attend poorly-funded colleges and receive certificates instead of earning degrees, according to a recent report.

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#1 Aug 6, 2013
I think this could be about money, have the parents of black students saved into a college fund for their kids?
It seems as if Black and Hispanics are just choosing the cheapest colleges, so clearly their parents have not saved money over the years to pay for their college the way white parents automatically do when a child is born.
These colleges cost money, no matter what SAT results you get, you still need to pay for your place at a good college.

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#2 Aug 6, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
I think this could be about money, have the parents of black students saved into a college fund for their kids?
It seems as if Black and Hispanics are just choosing the cheapest colleges, so clearly their parents have not saved money over the years to pay for their college the way white parents automatically do when a child is born.
These colleges cost money, no matter what SAT results you get, you still need to pay for your place at a good college.
In case you've not heard, Blacks and Hispanics generally make less money than whites. And even Black and Brown middle classes are mostly newly arrived, which means little or no inherited wealth.
And we have a racially stratified economy over here. I, for one, came from a poor inner city family. My family had NO money over and above necessities. Most newly arrived members of our petty bourgeois and intelligentsia come from similar circumstances.
You ought to study these matters.

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#4 Aug 6, 2013
Savant wrote:
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In case you've not heard, Blacks and Hispanics generally make less money than whites. And even Black and Brown middle classes are mostly newly arrived, which means little or no inherited wealth.
And we have a racially stratified economy over here. I, for one, came from a poor inner city family. My family had NO money over and above necessities. Most newly arrived members of our petty bourgeois and intelligentsia come from similar circumstances.
You ought to study these matters.
So blacks can't really afford to have children? or if they do, they cannot afford to enable their children to access the American Dream? If you can't afford to save $60 a month in a savings account for your child's college fund, you shouldn't be having children. That's all it costs, if you open the fund the year the child is born and pay into it every month until they are 18.
I'm sure the majority of these whites are not inheriting money or using inheritances, they simply PLANNED for having children and made the neccessary sacrifices and preparations needed to enable their children to have driving lessons, get a first car and go to a reputable respected college.
It's basic....$60 to $75 a month for 18 years is all it will cost and if you invest in the right savings account, you will have excess to pay for car and driving lessons too.
Do African americans really class themselves with newly arrived Mexicans who sneaked across a border from a hell hole?
Who has a baby and doesn't immediately open a savings account? But you guys can afford to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohhol regularly can't you?

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#5 Aug 6, 2013
oh-r-ea_ll_y wrote:
<quoted text>Obama makes more than you AND me combined, dopey. See, he has an education. If "most" blacks don't earn as much as whites, then they probably don't have the education those whites have.
Or is this too complex for your simple little mind?
Theses men can afford to have all the latest designer clothes, tattoos and flashy jewels, the women can afford weaves at 100s of dollars and fake nails at a salon every 2 weeks. But they can't afford to open a college fund for their kids :(
Hispanics are catholics and have big families, so things are different for them when it comes to saving for college, but AAs don't have big families.

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#6 Aug 6, 2013
oh-r-ea_ll_y wrote:
<quoted text>Obama makes more than you AND me combined, dopey. See, he has an education. If "most" blacks don't earn as much as whites, then they probably don't have the education those whites have.
Or is this too complex for your simple little mind?
Obama isn't just educated, but the President of the USA. And he was a Senator before being president. Even a half-literate buffoon will make more money than an educator or ordinary professional person (let alone a working class stiff) if he's a senator or President.
Athletes and celebrities make more than even well paid Ivy League professors even if those athletes and celebrities have a high school education or less. Sarah Palin is far less educated than I, and is less informed or articuate than my AVERAGE student, but she's a millionaire.
You need to take better examples. But how typical is either Obama or Palin?
MaltaMon

Wilmington, DE

#8 Aug 6, 2013
"Twerk"?

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#9 Aug 6, 2013
Savant wrote:
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In case you've not heard, Blacks and Hispanics generally make less money than whites. And even Black and Brown middle classes are mostly newly arrived, which means little or no inherited wealth.
And we have a racially stratified economy over here. I, for one, came from a poor inner city family. My family had NO money over and above necessities. Most newly arrived members of our petty bourgeois and intelligentsia come from similar circumstances.
You ought to study these matters.
It is a very valid point : to add to this situation, money goes mostly to predominantly white colleges and universities, which is the result of this study. No big surprise and the push to dismantle Affirmative Action in the Academic sphere is only to increase this existing gap.

Next year it will be the 50th anniversary of Civil Rights Law and we still have this in higher education, housing and income huge discrepancies and Jim Crow justice (!) in Florida.

1964-2014 ... the road is still long ahead.
That Quentin Tarantino made a big and great movie this year with Django Unchained is very illustrative : this perceptive movie director has clearly seen that in Obama USA, the question is still there and Candieland all over the country.



a whiteboi

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#12 Aug 7, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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It is a very valid point : to add to this situation, money goes mostly to predominantly white colleges and universities, which is the result of this study. No big surprise and the push to dismantle Affirmative Action in the Academic sphere is only to increase this existing gap.
Next year it will be the 50th anniversary of Civil Rights Law and we still have this in higher education, housing and income huge discrepancies and Jim Crow justice (!) in Florida.
1964-2014 ... the road is still long ahead.
That Quentin Tarantino made a big and great movie this year with Django Unchained is very illustrative : this perceptive movie director has clearly seen that in Obama USA, the question is still there and Candieland all over the country.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =C1Nuk_y-IqcXX
a whiteboi
a whiteboi
One question to you... if you fathered a child and didn't open a college fund and pay regularly into it and even sometimes get uncles, aunts and grandparents to add to it... where would you expect your kid to go to college?

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#13 Aug 7, 2013
Why do people make excuses for black people, as if we are children and not normal capable human beings? We are perfectly able to plan and save for our children's futures, we are not Catholics who have on average 5 kids... there is no reason why we can't plan and save to help our kids achieve their dreams.
Just like many other parents do from Asian and white families.
Chuck

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#14 Aug 7, 2013
Most whites in America are going to school off financial aide and student loans, not some college fund that their blue collar worker daddy's stashed away for them. This is the cold hard truth.

" •There is roughly somewhere between $902 billion and $1 trillion in total outstanding student loan debt in the United States today. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reports $902B while the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau reports $1T.
•Roughly $864 billion isoutstanding federal studentloan debt while the remaining $150 billion is in privatestudent loans(Source: Consumer Finance Protection Bureau). Privatestudentloansare not made or backed by the federal government."
http://www.asa.org/policy/resources/stats/
Chuck

United States

#15 Aug 7, 2013
Maybe from a foreigner on the outside looking in it may seem like all "whites" are living in some dream world, but that's far from the truth. College is expensive for all Americans and many people are opting to go community colleges, cheaper institutions, and trade schools.

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#16 Aug 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
Most whites in America are going to school off financial aide and student loans, not some college fund that their blue collar worker daddy's stashed away for them. This is the cold hard truth.
" •There is roughly somewhere between $902 billion and $1 trillion in total outstanding student loan debt in the United States today. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reports $902B while the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau reports $1T.
•Roughly $864 billion isoutstanding federal studentloan debt while the remaining $150 billion is in privatestudent loans(Source: Consumer Finance Protection Bureau). Privatestudentloansare not made or backed by the federal government."
http://www.asa.org/policy/resources/stats/
Maybe you don't know as much about white anglo culture as you think you do. Many ordinary white families start saving for their child's future even before the baby is born. There are many investment and savings accounts available and created specifically for this purpose. Their representatives will visit you in your home, discuss with you what you can reasonably afford to save for your child and give you projections for what figures you could expect to yeald in 18 years. This money usually goes on college, or a deposit on a house etc for the child.
You may see statistics for whites taking out student loans, but whites and asians of ten do this even if they have a college fund. The college fund is not enough to pay for you to go to college, but it is enough to make the difference between going to a reputable respected college and going to a poorly funded community college.
It doesn't make your child RICH, it simply gives them an option.
Many of these whites and asians take out student loans because the interest rates are so low. They take out the loan, put it straight into a high interest bank account and leave it there to earn money for them, then the pay it back to the government and keep the interest earned.
So to blacks like you, whose dad preferred to buy cigarettes instead of saving money for you and whose mom decided to by fake nails at a salon instead of saving for your future, it looks as if whites are living off student loans... when many of them are not.

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#17 Aug 7, 2013
We are not talking about big sums of money or big lifestyle changes. If you invested the cost of 2 packs of cigarettes a week in a savings plan for 18 years... you would have enough money for a college fund to HELP out your child.

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#18 Aug 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
Maybe from a foreigner on the outside looking in it may seem like all "whites" are living in some dream world, but that's far from the truth. College is expensive for all Americans and many people are opting to go community colleges, cheaper institutions, and trade schools.
My daughter goes to a UK grammar school specifically for highly intelligent girls.
There are black girls there whose parents WANT them to have the option to become American citizens and their parents have planned for this almost from the moment their child was born. They have sent their daughters to a normal UK school but at the same time they have paid privately expensive tutors to prepare their daughter to sit the SAT, they also pay privately for their daughters to study international baccalaureate subjects so that American employers will give them jobs.
This all costs money and needs meticulous planning, these are just ordinary black people who send their daughters to my kid's school.
Yet AAs can't save $60 a month???

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#19 Aug 7, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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One question to you... if you fathered a child and didn't open a college fund and pay regularly into it and even sometimes get uncles, aunts and grandparents to add to it... where would you expect your kid to go to college?
They should come study in France : annual Academic fees are 240 euros i.e. roughly 300-320 US$. With the mandatory health insurance, say 500 $.

That being said, paying those enormous tuitions you have in the USA is nothing specific to the "father" : it's a parents', both parents, duty.

Basically, as often, you miss the point turning back to "individual"'s personal choice. As if everything in life is only a question of "my choice".
As if in the Bush family, sending W the clueless and brainless to an Ivy League college was the same as for an average Black father and mother paying the same tuition to send their kids at the same place.

Moreover in any country, when you study the % of Academic students and graduates coming from the project areas and the same % in posh upper middle class areas bingo, much less in projects.
Is this a question of divorce rate ? of absentee fathers or mothers ? Not really. Is this a question of individuals'choice ? Not really.

It's always amazing for us euro-whites to see how much Amerikkkans can never think "society", "social categories", anything that is beyond the "I", "me", "my"... all these basic categories that are moulding in a large part this "I", "me", "my".
It is like closing one eye to look at something : watch reality with your 2 eyes.

a whiteboi

Since: Oct 09

Paris France

#20 Aug 7, 2013
Chuck wrote:
Most whites in America are going to school off financial aide and student loans, not some college fund that their blue collar worker daddy's stashed away for them. This is the cold hard truth.
" •There is roughly somewhere between $902 billion and $1 trillion in total outstanding student loan debt in the United States today. The Federal Reserve Bank of New York reports $902B while the Consumer Finance Protection Bureau reports $1T.
•Roughly $864 billion isoutstanding federal studentloan debt while the remaining $150 billion is in privatestudent loans(Source: Consumer Finance Protection Bureau). Privatestudentloansare not made or backed by the federal government."
http://www.asa.org/policy/resources/stats/
Thanks interesting infos.

Some analysts say the next big financial crisis in the USA, after the subprimes, could come from student loans that they won't be able to pay back.

You're right also that all the colleges in the USA are not UCLA and Ivy League level and many Academic institutions of lower level can have a standard inferior to what we can get in the E.U.

a whiteboi

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Since: Jul 07

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#21 Aug 7, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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So blacks can't really afford to have children? or if they do, they cannot afford to enable their children to access the American Dream? If you can't afford to save $60 a month in a savings account for your child's college fund, you shouldn't be having children. That's all it costs, if you open the fund the year the child is born and pay into it every month until they are 18.
I'm sure the majority of these whites are not inheriting money or using inheritances, they simply PLANNED for having children and made the neccessary sacrifices and preparations needed to enable their children to have driving lessons, get a first car and go to a reputable respected college.
It's basic....$60 to $75 a month for 18 years is all it will cost and if you invest in the right savings account, you will have excess to pay for car and driving lessons too.
Do African americans really class themselves with newly arrived Mexicans who sneaked across a border from a hell hole?
Who has a baby and doesn't immediately open a savings account? But you guys can afford to smoke cigarettes and drink alcohhol regularly can't you?
The American Dream, except perhaps as envisioned by Dr.Martin Luther King, Jr., is an illusion. And a somewhat unimaginative (and often) vulgar illusion at that. In fact, tens of millions of Americans ARE too poor to establish a savings account. And if you think that even those who can put aside such a modest savings can thereby afford higher education, especially at an elite school, then you're out of touch with reality. For one thing that's not enough money given the exorbitant expenses of education. And someone who is able to put aside a modest savings most likely has a modest standard of living wherein one often faces financial emergencies (e.g. sickness, unemployment) which quickly wipe out those savings.
Indeed, higher education for the MASSES (initially white masses) only became possible with the GI Bill after World War 2. As for cars and such, the very poor cannot afford them, I was not able to afford a car until I began my academic profession. That is, after I'd moved from poverty to the middle class life of the professional intelligentsia.
As for you claim that whoever is poor should not have children, that is mainly a right wing bourgeois prejudice which, as Dr. King pointed out, reveals a twisted value system which values things above persons, and measures the worth of persons--of human life-by the size of one's wallet. I am committed to overthrowing the entire social order which generates such poisonous values. And I am glad that my impoverished parents didn't assume that they had no right to bear children.
Instread, I argue that s society as wealthy as the USA, or the Uk, is guilty of crimes against humanity by allowing--even creating--such poverty to begin with. And it is doubly guilty for demonizing the people whom this system has impoverished.
The poor gave us spirituals, blues, jazz, soul and yes, hip hop. From theo poor we were gifted with Fannie Lou Hamer, malcolm X, Richard Wright, James Baldwin and those who do most of the world's creating wealth for an elite who despises.
In short, not only to our interpretation of social reality differ; but values by which you and I evaluate reality are radically different.

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#22 Aug 7, 2013
No Comment wrote:
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Uhh, Clemm?
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http://www.topix.com/forum/afam/T2A96661BND6M...
By the way,
..s ss stutter much, dopey?
As usual, OhFrilly makes posts irrelevant to the discussion topic on the table, and made up largely of quote from other thread on other topics, and from oher contexts.
Nonetheless, Attai's point about inequality in education is well taken, and supported by TONS of research.

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#23 Aug 7, 2013
attai1 wrote:
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They should come study in France : annual Academic fees are 240 euros i.e. roughly 300-320 US$. With the mandatory health insurance, say 500 $.
That being said, paying those enormous tuitions you have in the USA is nothing specific to the "father" : it's a parents', both parents, duty.
Basically, as often, you miss the point turning back to "individual"'s personal choice. As if everything in life is only a question of "my choice".
As if in the Bush family, sending W the clueless and brainless to an Ivy League college was the same as for an average Black father and mother paying the same tuition to send their kids at the same place.
Moreover in any country, when you study the % of Academic students and graduates coming from the project areas and the same % in posh upper middle class areas bingo, much less in projects.
Is this a question of divorce rate ? of absentee fathers or mothers ? Not really. Is this a question of individuals'choice ? Not really.
It's always amazing for us euro-whites to see how much Amerikkkans can never think "society", "social categories", anything that is beyond the "I", "me", "my"... all these basic categories that are moulding in a large part this "I", "me", "my".
It is like closing one eye to look at something : watch reality with your 2 eyes.
a whiteboi
I know white fathers who start saving plans to pay for their daughter's wedding as soon as the doctor confirms they are having a girl child.... before the baby girl is even born.
I don't believe in excuses... there is no reason why a responsible parent would not open a savings plan for their child. No reason at all. These AAs can afford to wear $400 weaves and have tatoos that cost 100s of dollars... they have money, they just spend it on themselves and not their children's future.
These people have money for all the latest technological advances, the most expensive cell phones and handbags... they can afford to save money for their children, they CHOOSE to spend every penny as soon as they get it, on themselves. The average AA woman has only $5 in her bank account! How can any mother function like that? especially a single mother?
You will never persuade me that blacks are incapable of doing what whites and asians can do. We are not inherently inferior to anybody and we can be as organized and disciplined as any other parent.

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Paris France

#25 Aug 7, 2013
Shalimarr wrote:
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How can any mother function like that? especially a single mother?
You will never persuade me that blacks are incapable of doing what whites and asians can do. We are not inherently inferior to anybody and we can be as organized and disciplined as any other parent.
I will never persuade you of such a B.S. because I will never endorse that, never had, never will.

Miss you are here talking to yourself setting aside what I said which is the opposite of what you write above.

a whiteboi

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