Obama repeals boys' nude-swimming act
djw

Bishopsteignton, UK

#27 Oct 14, 2013
MaltaMon wrote:
Where does this sick fa**ggot pederast find this stuff? Why is he so obsessed with finding it.
I for one am not allowing Molly's refusal to raise the debt ceiling as an excuse to forbid boys from wearing swimming trunks to save public money. We must instead abolish the Columbia University swim test.

https://sites.google.com/site/historicarchive...

The Origins of Nude Swimming at the Y & Public Schools by Jumper-Swim

In 1926, the American Public Health Association published the first guidelines for swimming pool management. These guidelines were updated every one to three years, as needed. Those guidelines recommended that males swimming separate, take a soap shower and swim nude. Unadorned, undyed tank suits were recommended for females.
Consequently, male nude swimming was recommended in every edition until 1962. Chlorine was difficult to use effectively because pH had to be managed in addition to having enough chlorine to kill bacteria. It was not until 1939, what was called the break point in water chlorination was discovered. It was then possible to make chemical tests that pool managers could use. However, WW II intervened and the equipment to do automatic chlorination was not available until the late 1940s.

In 1948 and 1956, the Boys Club Operations manual required and then recommended, respectively, boys swim nude. The YMCA and Boys Club Operatons manual both stated it was incumbent upon the boards of directors to abide by the state and American Public Health Association guidelines.

The public school boards responsible for schools with pools also had to abide by the state public health and APHA pool management guidelines. That's why we swam nude in school pools.

By the way, yes, pool filters are clogged with fibers, even today.
The 1948 State of Illinois Public Health Association pool management guidelines states specifically that to preserve female modesty, they could wear unadorned, undyed tank suits, after they took a nude soap shower. That's why females wre suits.

Now as for YMCAs and nude swimming. In a few cases, the boys were photographed swimming nude and the photographs published in the town newspaper. It was a socially expected practice since they were men and boys and had nothing to be ashamed of.(And, I recall hearing that as a child.)

My best estimate is that there were about 5,500 pools,(school, YMCA and Boys Club.) Each had a board of directors with about 12 members, typically men. That's 66,000 men per year, across the nation, sitting on the boards. However, this was spread across a roughly 70 year period. Assume the men served for about 5 years each. That leads to 14 groups of about 40,000 (to allow for earlier years) men. Calculating 14 times 40.000 is 560,000 men who supervised millions of men and boys swimming nude. Hope this makes it obvious this was a widely accepted, expected social norm for male swimming when it was only males.

By 1962, most Americans lived in suburbs and most boys,(who did most of the swimming), did not swim in polluted outdoor water but swam in city pools. Automatic chlorination was controllable to adjust for the contamination in pools. Medicine had conquered Polio and the medical profession was confident curative medicines could stop outbreaks of any disease that might be transmitted by pool water. Also, in 1962, there was no public hue and cry to end male nude swimming and there was no feminist pressure.

In 1962, the American Public Health Association dropped the nude swimming recommendation because it was no longer needed to preserve public health. This insight is important because it underscores why male nude swimming was recommended and required for more than 50 years. As any of us who have dealt with boys and wet towels and suits, its obvious why the Y and schools continued nude swimming into the 70s, and in a few schools, into the 80s.
djw

Bishopsteignton, UK

#28 Oct 14, 2013
Phil wrote:
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It makes you wonder what he types in the search box in Google or whatever search engine he uses.
Phil it is time you joined me and stopped the Columbia University swim test. You don't need a nude shower followed by a swim test to get a a degree.

http://www.college.columbia.edu/bulletin/dept...

PHED C1001-C1002 is a College requirement that students are advised to complete by the end of the first year. Students may elect to take one or two additional terms of PHED C1001 and/or PHED C1002 for credit. Students receive 1 point of academic credit for each completed term of physical education for a possible total of 4 points.

Medical Conditions
Students who request to have their physical education activities limited or waived because of a medical condition should contact Professor Ken Torrey, chair of Physical Education. In some situations, students may require an evaluation by a clinician at Health Services at Columbia in order to receive a waiver. In consultation with Professor Torrey, students may be instructed to contact Dr. Samuel Seward, medical director of Columbia Health Programs, who facilitates these evaluations.

Swim Test
All students are required to pass a swimming test or take beginning swimming for one semester to fulfill the swimming requirement. The swimming tests are administered in the Uris Pool the first day of classes and are also offered on Wednesdays from 8:30pm-9:30pm, Fridays from 12-2pm and Sundays from 3pm-4pm throughout the semester. The test consists of swimming three laps of the pool (75 yards) without resting, using any stroke or combination of strokes. Those who do not pass are encouraged to take a beginner swimming course at the first opportunity.

Activities
The program offers a variety of activities in the areas of aquatics, fitness, martial arts, individual and dual “lifetime” sports, team sports, and outdoor education. Most of the activities are designed for the beginner or intermediate level. However, advanced courses are offered at selected times. The courses are designed to develop and/or improve the student’s fundamental skills and to help realize his or her potential. Activity that promotes one’s fitness level is emphasized. A major goal is to provide a positive, enjoyable experience for students. It is our hope that these activities will contribute to the development of an active, healthy lifestyle.

The majority of the activities are offered in ten time preferences. However, there are early morning conditioning activities, Friday-only classes at Baker Athletics Complex, and special courses that utilize off-campus facilities during weekends and vacation periods. A description of the scheduled activities for each time preference is included in the Department of Physical Education and Intercollegiate Athletics’ website. A list of the activities for the term is included in the Directory of Classes and on the website. College students can select physical education courses during on-line registration. Unless otherwise indicated, the activities are scheduled on a quarterly basis with each quarter lasting approximately seven weeks. At midterm the student selects another activity for the remainder of the term, although in many cases the student has the opportunity to continue the same activity. Students may register for only one section of physical education each term.

Locker and Towel Service
Students have access to a lock/towel service ($18 fee) and, with the exception of tennis, equipment for the activities is supplied by the Physical Education Department.

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13 Sep 2013 - Columbia, Columbia shouting her name where showering takes ... do with the fact that Columbia College didn't admit women until 1983.... So I wonder if it should be mandatory for RAs to have a vote on combining showers.
Phil

Dunfermline, UK

#29 Oct 15, 2013
djw wrote:
<quoted text>
Phil it is time you joined me and stopped the Columbia University swim test. You don't need a nude shower followed by a swim test to get a a degree.
http://www.college.columbia.edu/bulletin/dept...
PHED C1001-C1002 is a College requirement that students are advised to complete by the end of the first year. Students may elect to take one or two additional terms of PHED C1001 and/or PHED C1002 for credit. Students receive 1 point of academic credit for each completed term of physical education for a possible total of 4 points.
Medical Conditions
Students who request to have their physical education activities limited or waived because of a medical condition should contact Professor Ken Torrey, chair of Physical Education. In some situations, students may require an evaluation by a clinician at Health Services at Columbia in order to receive a waiver. In consultation with Professor Torrey, students may be instructed to contact Dr. Samuel Seward, medical director of Columbia Health Programs, who facilitates these evaluations.
Swim Test
All students are required to pass a swimming test or take beginning swimming for one semester to fulfill the swimming requirement. The swimming tests are administered in the Uris Pool the first day of classes and are also offered on Wednesdays from 8:30pm-9:30pm, Fridays from 12-2pm and Sundays from 3pm-4pm throughout the semester. The test consists of swimming three laps of the pool (75 yards) without resting, using any stroke or combination of strokes. Those who do not pass are encouraged to take a beginner swimming course at the first opportunity.
Activities
The program offers a variety of activities in the areas of aquatics, fitness, martial arts, individual and dual “lifetime” sports, team sports, and outdoor education. Most of the activities are designed for the beginner or intermediate level. However, advanced courses are offered at selected times. The courses are designed to develop and/or improve the student’s fundamental skills and to help realize his or her potential. Activity that promotes one’s fitness level is emphasized. A major goal is to provide a positive, enjoyable experience for students. It is our hope that these activities will contribute to the development of an active, healthy lifestyle.
The majority of the activities are offered in ten time preferences. However, there are early morning conditioning activities, Friday-only classes at Baker Athletics Complex, and special courses that utilize off-campus facilities during weekends and vacation periods. A description of the scheduled activities for each time preference is included in the Department of Physical Education and Intercollegiate Athletics’ website. A list of the activities for the term is included in the Directory of Classes and on the website. College students can select physical education courses during on-line registration. Unless otherwise indicated, the activities are scheduled on a quarterly basis with each quarter lasting approximately seven weeks. At midterm the student selects another activity for the remainder of the term, although in many cases the student has the opportunity to continue the same activity. Students may register for only one section of physical education each term.
Locker and Towel Service
Students have access to a lock/towel service ($18 fee) and, with the exception of tennis, equipment for the activities is supplied by the Physical Education Department.
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13 Sep 2013 - Columbia, Columbia shouting her name where showering takes ... do with the fact that Columbia College didn't admit women until 1983.... So I wonder if it should be mandatory for RAs to have a vote on combining showers.
"...it is time you joined me and stopped the Columbia University swim test"

Explain to us all how you will do this.
MaltaMon

Bensalem, PA

#30 Oct 16, 2013
Phil wrote:
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"...it is time you joined me and stopped the Columbia University swim test"
Explain to us all how you will do this.
Lol. This seedy, sleazy sexually,dysfunctional pervert has no intention of pulling up his underwear and trousers, or otherwise abandoning for a second his autoerotic obsession, much less leaving his dank room to accomplish anything at all.
djw

Wolverhampton, UK

#31 Oct 16, 2013
Maltamon forget about the debt ceiling do not allow the threat of MRSA be an excuse for Abington District High 900 Highland Avenue PA 19001 force reluctant students into showers!

http://www.abington.k12.pa.us/shs/...

How do I keep MRSA from spreading?

•Wash your hands often or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer.
•Keep your cuts and scrapes clean and cover them with bandages.
•Do not touch other people's cuts or bandages.
•Athletes should not participate in play if they have open, draining wounds that cannot be covered and drainage contained.
•Athletes should shower after practice or games and wash uniforms after all events.
•Do not share personal items like towels or razors.

Prevention of the spread of MRSA in the school setting

Studies have shown that MRSA is capable of prolonged survival on everyday surfaces, therefore the following is recommended:

Prevention for the Spread of MRSA in Day Care and Primary School Environments:

•Cots, toys and diaper cleaning changing surfaces should be cleaned and sanitized thoroughly on a regular basis with a phenol or chlorine wipe such as liquid Lysol.
•Parents and children should wash hands or use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer immediately upon entering the facility or classroom in the morning or after outside play.
•Cuts and scrapes should be cleaned with soap and water and covered with a bandage until healed. Caregivers should always use gloves when applying or changing bandages and wash hands immediately afterwards.
•At school, children should not be permitted to share personal items such as blankets, mats, or clothing.
•Prevention for the Spread of MRSA in Secondary School and Athletic Environments:
•Keep your hands clean by washing thoroughly with soap and water or using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer. Use the 15 second rule while washing hands, this is just enough time to sing the alphabet or birthday song.
•Avoid sharing personal and skin care items such as clothing and balms or moisturizers.
•Keep cuts and scrapes clean and covered with a bandage until healed.
•Avoid contact with other people’s wounds or bandages, and wash hands immediately after changing a bandage.
•Seek medical attention immediately if a wound does not heal properly or appears to be infected.
•Students and teachers should be encouraged to report known or suspected MRSA infections to the school nurse.
•It is recommended that computer keyboards be disinfected daily for 5 seconds with chlorine or phenol based wipe such as liquid Lysol.
•Prevention for the Spread of MRSA in Athletic Environments:
•Showering with soap after every practice or tournament. In team locations where soap is often shared, switch to a liquid soap.
•Avoid sharing personal items such as towels, washcloths, razors, clothing, or uniforms.
•Never wipe your face with a towel used on athletic equipment.
•Avoid sharing balms, lubricants, and moisturizers.
•Wash uniforms, clothes, towels, and sheets that become soiled with water and laundry detergent. Drying clothes in a hot dryer, rather than air-drying, also helps kill bacteria in clothes.
•Non-washable gear (e.g. head protectors), should be wiped down with a phenol or chlorine based wipe such as liquid Lysol after each use.
•Athletic equipment such as wrestling or gymnastics mats should be wiped down regularly with an antibacterial solution such as diluted Liquid Lysol.
•Lockers and benches should be sanitized on a regular basis using disinfectant cleaners containing phenol or chlorine.
•Do not share whirlpools with other team members.
•Whirlpools in athletic rooms must be emptied and disinfected between uses.
•Do not shave body skin for wound care or cosmetic reasons.

What Athletes Should Know to Prevent MRSA

•Showering with soap after every practice or tournament. In team locations where soap is often shared, switch to a liquid soap.
•Do not share whirlpools with other team members.
MaltaMon

Bensalem, PA

#32 Oct 16, 2013
Go away, you sick pederast.
MaltaMon

Chester, PA

#34 Oct 19, 2013
Bob wrote:
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Go away you sick, lying moron.
That's Right, Pedo Bob: Show Your Support For That Obsessive Pederast Troll, DJW.
Bob

Châteauguay, Canada

#35 Oct 19, 2013
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> That's Right, Pedo Bob: Show Your Support For That Obsessive Pederast Troll, DJW.
I'm not necessarily showing support for DJW, but I AM showing contempt for you, you sick, lying, moron.
djw

Manchester, UK

#36 Oct 20, 2013
Girls watch boys on occasion

I learned to swim in the YMCA which was always nude. But, we also had a pool in school and had swim class as part of PE. We were given the option of swimming nude if we wanted. Most of us swam nude as we didn't want to be bothered carrying a wet swimsuit after class. We had the pool for about 1/2 hr and then the girls had it the other 1/2 hr. The girls of course all wore swimsuits. There were plenty of times when the girls would come out to the pool before we were finished and they would sit in the bleachers and wait until we were done. We would climb out of the pool and they would just sit there and watch. It was probably a thrill for them but we didn't care.A lot of times the girls instructor would be sitting there as well. Maybe it was just the times? No big deal?

Boys watching boys

I've read through the many interesting posts in this group and
wanted to share a little back with the group. When I was in Junior
High School (7th and 8th grades) we had a pool and it was mandatory
for boys to swim nude both for PE swimming classes and for swimming
practices. However, during swim meets we wore suits.

We all hated rainy days because there was no outside recess when the
weather was bad. Instead the recess girls would go to the gymnasium
and sit on the bleachers and watch the other girls in PE class and
the reces guys would go to the pool and sit on the bleachers and
watch the guys swim (and vice versa when the girls were swimming and
the guys were playing basketball). I remember many times having to
swim nude in front of my clothed schoolmates who couldn't go outside
for thier recess as well as those times when I was on bleachers
watching others. During the winter months, it seems like we always
had a crowd of boys on the bleachers.

I recall it was pretty embarrassing at the beginning of seventh
grade getting used to the nude thing - we didn't have swimming or
showers in earlier grades. Not only was it tough getting used to
puberty but suddenly we were naked around our friends. And then that
first rainy day that recess was brought into the pool area and the
rest of our friends - in their clothes - sat on the bleachers and
watched us in all our glory! After a few weeks I don't think anyone
even thought about it - it was just part of the class.

Girls watch boys (UK)

I must admit, I have happy memories of my pe and swimming lessons although it was a strict regime for boys but like a holiday camp for the girls. At my prep we did pe lessons all together in a massive gym with the girls wearing skirts and tops and the boys just pe shorts. If it was cold outside the girls could wear jumpers but nothing extra could be worn for the boys. At swimming which we did separtly, the girls could wear simming costumes but the boys were not allowed to wear anything. If pe was cancelled at short notice, we would do swimming but as the girls did not have their swim wear then they could watch, but only after we had all got in the pool. Alos, the boys had to shower, the girls did not have to.

(US)

You had me believing until that bit about there being
no naked male swimmers with girls or women watching or
in attendance. When I was 10, 11 and 12 I saw boys swim competitively and naked while standing and sitting in a spectator area with my mother in a Y in
Worcester and Fitchburg, MA, USA. My brother was among them. I found it very interesting.
Yes, there were other girls there. This was in 1954, 53, and 52. I don't know what the boys thought. I had seen my brother nude before. But I thought it was cool to see the other boys, I guess. It was all sort of natural back then."

When I was beginning 8th grade, we moved from the South to a small community in the North. This was in the early 70's. The school that I came from didn't have a pool, so there were no swim classes. I was surprised to learn that my new school had a pool, and then even more surprised to learn that we were not allowed to wear trunks in the pool.
MaltaMon

Philadelphia, PA

#37 Oct 23, 2013
These are all YOUR stories, Zuiko? You don't attribute them to anyone or otherwise say on what masturbatory web site you found them.
djw

Walsall, UK

#39 Oct 25, 2013
There should be no more school medical examinations in any of the 501 penis-sylvanian school districts. Whether that is in the gymnasium, or the swimming pool deck or classroom. Paediactrics has no place in the Pittsburgh elementary school or Philadelphia High school. If your child wants a hernia test or prostate exam they should see their GP. If Americans want to care for kids, introduce a National Health Service not Obamacare which concentrates powers with the Insurance companies. See this video
keep privates private vote for child protection MM!
MaltaMon

Strasburg, PA

#40 Oct 28, 2013
djw wrote:
There should be no more school medical examinations in any of the 501 penis-sylvanian school districts. Whether that is in the gymnasium, or the swimming pool deck or classroom. Paediactrics has no place in the Pittsburgh elementary school or Philadelphia High school. If your child wants a hernia test or prostate exam they should see their GP. If Americans want to care for kids, introduce a National Health Service not Obamacare which concentrates powers with the Insurance companies. See this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =5JXCNjDdww8XX keep privates private vote for child protection MM!
Yet another example of this guy's inability to propose practical, plausible resolutions to problems he identifies, his inability to discern and identify real and relevant problems of the present or otherwise to comprehend the world in which the rest of us live.
djw

Cannock, UK

#41 Oct 28, 2013
We the people in order to create a more perfect union demand the end of nude cleansing showers prior to going to a school swimming contest, we believe that all males shall have the right to bear wetsuits in the water and not budgey smugglers in the school pool. End all university swim tests and restore privacy to the 501 Maltamon school Districts. Do not let Sandusky out!
MaltaMon

Strasburg, PA

#42 Oct 28, 2013
Like I said...
djw

Wythenshawe, UK

#43 Oct 29, 2013
Do not allow American obesity levels to be an excuse to reintroduce same sex nudity in school pools and mandatory shower requirements. If are a pupil at Holidaysburg Pennsylvania be vigilant the Penis-sylvanian Penitentiary culture shall not return.

Pass the White Robe http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5g0rh_beliy...

No more nude wrestling weigh ins or scoliosis medicals in the school gymnasium. MM never!
MaltaMon

Bethlehem, PA

#44 Oct 31, 2013
djw wrote:
Do not allow American obesity levels to be an excuse to reintroduce same sex nudity in school pools and mandatory shower requirements. If are a pupil at Holidaysburg Pennsylvania be vigilant the Penis-sylvanian Penitentiary culture shall not return.
Pass the White Robe http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5g0rh_beliy...
No more nude wrestling weigh ins or scoliosis medicals in the school gymnasium. MM never!
Nobody cares, DJ. These are your perversions.
MaltaMon

Enfield, CT

#46 Nov 2, 2013
C'est Du Plagiat. Rien d'original. Et c'est Un Pede Qui n'aime Que De Petits Garcons.
le Bob

Châteauguay, Canada

#49 Nov 2, 2013
MaltaMon wrote:
C'est Du Plagiat. Rien d'original. Et c'est Un Pede Qui n'aime Que De Petits Garcons.
Hostie de tabarnac! Va chier et mange la marde, MaltaMon!
Phil

Dunfermline, UK

#51 Nov 3, 2013
Devastating Jerking Wound?
Jerking.
How appropriate for DJW to mention his favourite hobby while he trawls the net looking for any mention of children and their locker room and PE activities.
jean-rene

Paris, France

#53 Aug 3, 2014
when I read all these messages, I don't understand why some of you are so agressive to some points which are related.

It is obvious if you read the regulations of some schools and according to own experiences ( at least for me in France) that there was a kind of double standard as regards the kit for PE lessons or swimming lessons between girl's students and boy's students but it was in a certain way normal if you agree to consider the social standards which were widely dominant.

of course, boy's students might wear swimming trunks and not shorts and sometimes even very short swimmings trunks like speedos and girls might wear a one pice swimming suit

why this difference?
first the schools where thre was mixed lessons were seldom, so it was not a big deal, second it was more hygienic for boys and most of adult persons did not find anything wrong to have boys wearing short swimming suits revealing a part of their buttocks on the sides and the size and shape of their genitals.

For the girls it was diffferent because on the reverse most of the adult persons thought that the decency of girls was very important and that they might not reveal too much of their body to the view of others.

It was the common rule during a long time, especially in the 60's and 70's, and it was only after that the boys could wear what they wanted and it was stupid because some boys began to come in swimming pools wearing long shorts instead of real swimming suits like in the past. it was not hygienic at all.

Fortunately, the authorities of the swimming pools at schools inside or outside, have decided a few years ago to reintroduce the mandatory rule of real swimming suits for boys students and they were followed by the authorities of communauty swimming pools for each person coming in a swimming pool.

It is a good rule. First it was obvious that some boys were embarrassed but now it is admitted by all.
I must recognize that their swimming trunks are not speedos but rather some kind of boxers.

An other recent mandatory rule is that to wear a cup bathing is required and it is ruight in my opinion.

As regards Pe lessons, I have never understood why some of you are making a mess about the fact that sometimes the boy's students doing sports outside must be bare chest or in a gym school.
it was frequent in the 60's when I was a student, and I notice that it is still frequent today and I don't see why it would not be !
A boy has no reason to be embarrassed to be bare chest, even if he is too fat, on a beach he is bare chest, so why not at school during a Pe lesson, even in front of girls, it is so obvious that some girls are also too fat!

Of course it is different for a girl student but it is because she has nipples and it is a standard social norm admitted by almost everybody that a girl must be more shy than a boy ( which is not always true indeed) and must not expose her chest.

About the mandatory showers after Pe lessons, It was depending on schols but it was in my opinion a good rule when it was mandatory,
of course at my time there was gang showers where all a class or at least half of a class might be naked at the same time but even if it could be embarrassing the first times, it was indeed normal and necessary for hygienic reasons and to help the boys to overcome their shyness towards nudity when it was too great.

Now I regret that it is seldom that the showers are mandatory at schools after a PE lesson.

Of course it did not mean that a PE teacher might be too much rough with his students and I have never known Pe teachers who forced students to take showers with cold water which would have been inappropriate and unfair and a clue of sadism.

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