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There certainly was no shower scene in the original stage version I directed. Ia gree with lahgbr that it was gratuitous. It does, however, add bit of tension, I suppose and underlines the type of nastiness that kids can get up to. Our Mrs. Crocker-Harris was a right bitch and a terrific actress. I was lucky to have a terrific cast, and they did this moving little gem of a play due justice. The mean boy Trudgell (?) here is a dead wringer for a young Orlando Bloom. Might very well be he. Must check on IMDb.
This shower scene is a completely gratuitous intrusion into the plot and was not in the original play or the vastly superior 1951 film version. In my opinion it says more about the tastes of the director than anything about Rattigan's beautifully thought-out drama!
ridiculous. I just came from watching the 1951 version, and this is stunningly bad. It's poorly acted as well, as if the boys couldn't quite bring themselves to sully the original with this kind of trash. I guess what they might have been trying to do is (a) to comment on Rattigan's homosexuality and (b) to show the extension of the theme of cruelty - but why? But then, why remake it in the first place? I haven't seen the whole film, but I bet they can't match Redgrave or W H-W.
I was educated at one of these institutions in the 1970ís and unlike the 51 version it is the best representation of an English boarding school I have seen. The 51 attempt had the usual belief that young boys cant act which meant the whole school was made up of 18-21 year olds making the whole thing rather unbelievable. The young boys in the modern version were mostly taken from the boarding school in the film and their acting was both good & highly believable.
THE MALTAMON & PHIL ARE ALWAYS FIRST TO REMOVE THEIR TOWELS.
Please excuse DJW Zargad.
Or better still, don't excuse him.
He is a raging pervert, obsessed with boys in showers, in and out of PE kit, in fact boys in any state of undress.
He pretends he is outraged by nudity amongst children but he is a liar.
A quick search of Topix under his name will prove that.
Yes, it really does. If a substantial proportion of teenagers regarded the ritual of school showers (not, obviously, the mere act of getting clean) with dread, and if no one gained anything by it, then it is a very good thing that it has stopped. Unless you think the mere fact of being put in a state of shame and fear was good for teenagers?
No one 'gets away with' anything because of their menstrual cycle these days. When did you last see one of your work colleagues asking for a week off every month? Post-PE cleansing can perfectly well be done in privacy or with wet wipes. I think your robust suggestion that even girls with a period should have public showers would pause the first time you saw a weeping girl standing with her legs covered with blood.
Its sad that so many people had such a bad time using school showers. We didnt have any showers so we all smelled I suppose. I have no idea when they were first introduced to schools. I am certain they were probably introduced to encourage cleanliness tho. Lots of folks even in the 50s and 60s did not have bathrooms as such and filling up a zinc tub to give 4/5 children their weekly bath was hard work. Like lots of good ideas it outlived its purpose and it took time and money to upgrade schools. We progress, slowly. We dont put children up chimneys, down mines or in factories. At least in the UK.
What? You don't seem to understand how a period works. If you shower during it, you still bleed in the shower. So that would be rather gross in a communal shower, never mind mortifying for the girl. Even if she wore a tampon people would still see the string and know she was on her period! Sorry, maybe too much information, but what a silly thing to post!
Also, you're dismissing a lot of evidence of the practice being abused. Nothing wrong with showering itself, it was the way it was enforced. Period registers and personal questions in front of the whole class, ripping towels off people who didn't want to get naked, standing there watching everyone shower, etc etc. That's not simply taking someone out of their comfort zone, it's a form of bullying. I'd love to see how you react to being forced to shower with your work colleagues, while your boss watches.
It sounded like you were suggesting that girls shouldn't be allowed to skip showers because of their period. Apologies if I got it wrong.
Anyway lots of people are going on about teaching children about hygiene. But most children know about this, and do shower every day at home. A few hours of being sweaty after P.E. isn't the end of the world! And isn't it the 60's/70s generation that always says people nowadays wash too often? You know, the old "we had a tin bath that we shared the water in, once a week and it didn't do us any harm" argument.
So what would be the alternative? Forcing girls to use a communal shower while they bleed all over the place, just so they can be taught a lesson? As for using it as an excuse for time off...some people have extremely bad periods, where they can't even get out of bed. It's rare, but it's possible. I guess in such circumstances you'd need proof from a doctor though.
I don't believe that in our day there was any sexual perversion behind it in most cases. I do believe their was a need, a desire or a kick out of being able to humiliate children in their droves.
They had to have known it was humiliating and degrading for some. They must have known that the children didn't want to be forced into that situation. Hence the period registers and the sentry duty watching you shower, the bra and bare bum checks, They had to know.
Phil is guilty.
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