Why would Poland want a U.S. military...

Why would Poland want a U.S. military base?

There are 44 comments on the The Washington Post story from Jun 3, 2014, titled Why would Poland want a U.S. military base?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski shake hands after signing a framework agreement on a Polish-American innovation program at a meeting in Warsaw on June 3. Kerry and President Obama were in Poland as part of a European trip.

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esti ginzburg

Lake Worth, FL

#1 Jun 3, 2014
Because a) Polaks are dumb and b) Polaks are troublemakers?
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#2 Jun 3, 2014
esti ginzburg wrote:
Because a) Polaks are dumb and b) Polaks are troublemakers?
Polish are not dumb.

Polish are smart enough to be suspicious of Russia.

Poland may need protection from Russia, just look at the Russian imperialistic invasion of Crimea.

Russia is out of control.

The U.S.A, at least invades nations on a real pretext, rebuilds those nations, and moves on.

Unlike Russia's imperialistic desire to invade Crimea, which was nothing more than a land grab.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#3 Jun 3, 2014
esti ginzburg wrote:
Because a) Polaks are dumb and b) Polaks are troublemakers?
Jews, Russians, and Serbs are dumb trouble makers.

That is why Israel, Russia, and Serbia all score a lower PISA score than Poland.

As for trouble makers.

Jews, and Russians joined together to mass murder millions in the Soviet Union.

Serbs mass murdered Bosniaks in the Srebrenica genocide.

Of course, Jews are the biggest trouble makers in this group.

From Bernie Madoff, to Semion Mogilevich, from Meyer Lansky to Julius Popper, from Baruch Goldstein, to Genrikh Yagoda, from Zwi Migdal to the Irgun, this tribe is just vile.
bar refaeli

Lake Worth, FL

#4 Jun 3, 2014
We could discuss Polakia's long history of pogroms, that nation's central role in the Holocaust, the death camps, the Soviet era labor camps and the secret CIA run camps as well.

What is it with Polaks and torture?
mila kunis

Lake Worth, FL

#5 Jun 3, 2014
Or we could bring up the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski is directly responsible for 9/11. If he had not come up with the idea for supporting Islamic mujahedeen in Afghanistan while in the Carter administration would the Taliban have come to power? The secular Soviet backed government in Kabul was in no way a threat to the west.

But whenever dumb Polaks get involved in policymaking...
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#6 Jun 3, 2014
bar refaeli wrote:
We could discuss Polakia's long history of pogroms, that nation's central role in the Holocaust, the death camps, the Soviet era labor camps and the secret CIA run camps as well.
What is it with Polaks and torture?
Auschwitz was first created by Nazi Germany, to house Polish prisoners of war.

Auschwitz after WW2, was converted into the Soviet Zgoda Labour Camp, where it was commanded by Soviet Jew Salomon Morel.

That Jew Jakub Berman, land his UB ( Urzad Bezpieczenstwa) were responsible for creating Soviet labour camps.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#7 Jun 3, 2014
mila kunis wrote:
Or we could bring up the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski is directly responsible for 9/11. If he had not come up with the idea for supporting Islamic mujahedeen in Afghanistan while in the Carter administration would the Taliban have come to power? The secular Soviet backed government in Kabul was in no way a threat to the west.
But whenever dumb Polaks get involved in policymaking...
Zbigniew Brzezinski's trickery, tricked the Soviets to attack Afghanistan, which lead to Soviet debt, and thus collapse.

Meanwhile, Zbigniew Brzezinski helped to organize Polish Solidarity, which sent shock waves in the Soviet Union, which ultimately lead to Soviet collapse.

Soviets admitted that they couldn't invade Poland because of Polish Solidarity, because they were bogged down in Afghanistan.

Check mate.

Zbiginew Brzezinski outsmarted, Soviets, and lead them directly to collapse.

Brezinski directly liberated 100's of millions of people from the oppressive Soviet rule, including Russians.

It was Russians, who also were oppressed by Soviets, while Soviet terror was extreme under Stalin, and Lenin, later Soviets still oppressed the Orthodox church, and oppressed Russians against freedom of speech, or basic rights.

Brzezinski is a hero, who liberated many.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#8 Jun 3, 2014
bar refaeli wrote:
We could discuss Polakia's long history of pogroms, that nation's central role in the Holocaust, the death camps, the Soviet era labor camps and the secret CIA run camps as well.
What is it with Polaks and torture?
Why do you always attack Poland from the Jewish perspective, like blaming Poland for the Holocaust, and pogroms?

While, you don't attack Poland from the Russian perspective?

It is like the first thing that comes in your mind, is that Poland has oppressed the Jews.

Why is that?

You are so obviously of Jewish heritage.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#9 Jun 3, 2014
mila kunis wrote:
Or we could bring up the fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski is directly responsible for 9/11. If he had not come up with the idea for supporting Islamic mujahedeen in Afghanistan while in the Carter administration would the Taliban have come to power? The secular Soviet backed government in Kabul was in no way a threat to the west.
But whenever dumb Polaks get involved in policymaking...
You sound like such an idiot.

So according to you....Brzezinski trained some Afghan terrorists in 1979 to attack America....but back then said to them......but HOLD ON GUYS......don't attack the US now.....WAIT TWENTY ONE YEARS....THEN ATTACK! LOL!!!!!!!!!!

What a MORON you are.

You just hate Brzezinski because he outsmarted your Russia when it was at its most powerful.....USSR Russia......and made Russia COLLAPSE in power afterwards!

So if a "dumb Polak" could outsmart Russia......what does that say about Russia???
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#10 Jun 3, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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Jews, Russians, and Serbs are dumb trouble makers.
That is why Israel, Russia, and Serbia all score a lower PISA score than Poland.
As for trouble makers.
Jews, and Russians joined together to mass murder millions in the Soviet Union.
This is true. Soviet Jews and Soviet ethnic Russians worked shoulder to shoulder TOGETHER annihilating many of their fellow Soviet citizens (including Ukrainians, Russians, Poles and non-Atheist Jews).

Today.......on a percentage/proportional basis....ethnic Russians celebrate the Soviet Union much much much more than ethnic Jews do.

In Moscow....Russia's heartland......they have yearly massive RUSSIAN NATIONAL PRIDE MILITARY parades where they are celebrating the SOVIET UNION!

Where ever there are ethnic Russians there are Russian pride parades filled with waiving flags of Stalin, Lenin and the Hammer and Sickle and other Soviet type flags......like in Eastern Ukraine. Today I see Russians not Jews celebrating the Soviet Union. That's because the Soviet Union makes Russians today feel STRONG!
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#11 Jun 3, 2014
AbeUG wrote:
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This is true. Soviet Jews and Soviet ethnic Russians worked shoulder to shoulder TOGETHER annihilating many of their fellow Soviet citizens (including Ukrainians, Russians, Poles and non-Atheist Jews).
Today.......on a percentage/proportional basis....ethnic Russians celebrate the Soviet Union much much much more than ethnic Jews do.
In Moscow....Russia's heartland......they have yearly massive RUSSIAN NATIONAL PRIDE MILITARY parades where they are celebrating the SOVIET UNION!
Where ever there are ethnic Russians there are Russian pride parades filled with waiving flags of Stalin, Lenin and the Hammer and Sickle and other Soviet type flags......like in Eastern Ukraine. Today I see Russians not Jews celebrating the Soviet Union. That's because the Soviet Union makes Russians today feel STRONG!
The Soviet take over of Poand, was siimlar to the Soviet take over of Russia actually.

In both cases, Soviet Jews took advantage of the nation being weakened down by war, to take over, and kill off the anti-Soviet opposition, and then form a Soviet government.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#12 Jun 3, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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Why do you always attack Poland from the Jewish perspective, like blaming Poland for the Holocaust, and pogroms?
While, you don't attack Poland from the Russian perspective?
It is like the first thing that comes in your mind, is that Poland has oppressed the Jews.
Why is that?
You are so obviously of Jewish heritage.
Well in the beginning of this thread he called Poles dumb and "TROUBLEMAKERS" because Poland is seeking a US military base as a hedge against Russian aggression (which you acknowledged). He also has criticized Brzezinski since he knows (as you pointed out) that Brzezinski knocked down Russia a couple notches in power when it collapsed from its most powerful form....the USSR....into a much less powerful form....Post USSR/today's Russia.

So basically he was attacking Poland from a Russian nationalist perspective on both those counts......in which you accurately and rightfully defended Poland on.

Today, average Russians who mind their own business and are not political.....have no aggressiveness or hostility towards their fellow Slavic Poles. However.......ethno-centric charged Russians (the same Moscow type that signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Germans in 1939 for both countries to divide Poland together as co-conquerors and friends) look down at Poles as being inferior to ethno-centric Russians and are offended that Poles may develop a military that can give Russia a run for its money.....as a recent guest on the John Batchlor radio show said not long ago.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#13 Jun 3, 2014
A guess on the John Batchelor radio show......named Corrie Shockley said she thinks people give too much credit to Russian military power and too little credit to the military power of Western EU nations.

She said for example......the Polish military today could give the Russian military a run for its money.

I think she's right.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#14 Jun 3, 2014
AbeUG wrote:
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Well in the beginning of this thread he called Poles dumb and "TROUBLEMAKERS" because Poland is seeking a US military base as a hedge against Russian aggression (which you acknowledged). He also has criticized Brzezinski since he knows (as you pointed out) that Brzezinski knocked down Russia a couple notches in power when it collapsed from its most powerful form....the USSR....into a much less powerful form....Post USSR/today's Russia.
So basically he was attacking Poland from a Russian nationalist perspective on both those counts......in which you accurately and rightfully defended Poland on.
Today, average Russians who mind their own business and are not political.....have no aggressiveness or hostility towards their fellow Slavic Poles. However.......ethno-centric charged Russians (the same Moscow type that signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact with the Germans in 1939 for both countries to divide Poland together as co-conquerors and friends) look down at Poles as being inferior to ethno-centric Russians and are offended that Poles may develop a military that can give Russia a run for its money.....as a recent guest on the John Batchlor radio show said not long ago.
The real Russian perspective is to mention 1610, and 1919, as dates when Poland oppressed poor Russia.

Alexey did this, but Uther, and Sunshine do not.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#15 Jun 3, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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The Soviet take over of Poand, was siimlar to the Soviet take over of Russia actually.
In both cases, Soviet Jews took advantage of the nation being weakened down by war, to take over, and kill off the anti-Soviet opposition, and then form a Soviet government.
You are correct that Soviet Jews who had power in the early days of the Soviet Union took advantage of their power in Russia as well as in Poland. But Jewish power in the Soviet Union gradually deteriorated since Soviet ethnic Russians and the Soviet Georgian Stalin were always plotting against them. Do you know there is a picture of that savage Soviet NKVD Jew Koganovich standing with Stalin but then years later after Stalin killed him , Koganovich was deleted from the picture.

Old school Jewish government and Russian government power mongers pretty much act the same. That's why....at least initially....they were able to work arm in arm building up the Soviet Union. Do you really think it was a coincidence for Jewish bankers like Jacob Shiff and other powerful Jews to CHOOSE to start their power mongering Bolshevik revolution in RUSSIA of all nations???

Also you have to admit....the way Putin/Moscow pulled off their invasion and seizure of Crimea....was very Soviet like where they accused the victim of what they themselves were being....and then using it to SEIZE the Crimea and enrich themselves at the expense of others.
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#16 Jun 3, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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The real Russian perspective is to mention 1610, and 1919, as dates when Poland oppressed poor Russia.
Alexey did this, but Uther, and Sunshine do not.
I think uther and sunshine have more of a recent history mindset than Alexey.

They think more along the lines of the ethnic Russians in Moscow or E. Ukraine who demonstrate Russian pride with Soviet nostalgia.

Also don't forget you said that you think Alexey is also a "Jew"
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#17 Jun 3, 2014
AbeUG wrote:
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But Jewish power in the Soviet Union gradually deteriorated since Soviet ethnic Russians and the Soviet Georgian Stalin were always plotting against them. Do you know there is a picture of that savage Soviet NKVD Jew Koganovich standing with Stalin but then years later after Stalin killed him , Koganovich was deleted from the picture.
There were a number of Jews, who helped Stalin to create the Gulag sysstem, including, Genrikh Yagoda,Lazar Kogan, Yakov Rappaport, Naftaly Frenkel, Aaron Solts and Matvei Berman.
OnlyPatchWork

Carmel, NY

#18 Jun 3, 2014
AbeUG wrote:
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Also don't forget you said that you think Alexey is also a "Jew"
I think that Alexey is a Russian who has some Jewish, and German heritage.
Odin of Ossetia

Surrey, Canada

#19 Jun 3, 2014
esti ginzburg wrote:
Because a) Polaks are dumb and b) Polaks are troublemakers?
Majority of people in Poland are opposed to this.

But the regime has other ideas.

So much so for "democracy".
AbeUG

Bedminster, NJ

#20 Jun 3, 2014
OnlyPatchWork wrote:
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There were a number of Jews, who helped Stalin to create the Gulag sysstem, including, Genrikh Yagoda,Lazar Kogan, Yakov Rappaport, Naftaly Frenkel, Aaron Solts and Matvei Berman.
This is true. Indeed quite a few Jews were part of the Soviet Gulag machinery. But once they completed their task they were disposed of by Stalin and others. The thing about the Soviet government is that it was more complicated than one would think. You had different cliques/factions controlling and running it.....at different periods of time.

You had a powerful Jewish clique as you know (at least in the earlier years) a powerful Russian clique and also other cliques including Ukrainians (Kruschev), Georgians (like Stalin) and other ethnics. Some times these power cliques were defined along ethnic lines and sometimes they were not. There were times they worked hand in hand with each other....and other times they plotted against each other and tried to take each other out. Sometimes you had Russians against Russians and sometimes you had Jews against Jews, etc. Its kind of like mafia families. Sometimes they worked together and other times they fought each other.

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