males are subject to double standards regarding nudity

[CaDad]

William jones wrote:

Right, now that the germs have been flushed down the loo are there any more serious topics to discuss about male nudity and the double standards of it with which I disagree if others care to look back? I defend male modesty against forced invasion as all can see if they care to look back also. I have posted that a male should not be unclothed in front of the female if it causes embarrassment to him. All this is there for anybody else who thinks that I posted otherwise.

ME

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[CaDad]

Jeff
no one os talking about the nudest lifestyle here.
We are saying that some women, moms, females in position of authority,etc create a double standard. For example, making sons go nude while swimming while their sisters wear suits. It is simply amazing, but women can hide behind all sorts of folklore attributed to them, for example, we gave birth to them, we have seen it all, boys do not need to be modest, girls are different, females posses a mothering instinct and do not see nudity as asexual, women are not sexual, bla bla bla. Some of these blogs here are to educate about this mis-information and double standards that exists.

[Jeff]

CaDad wrote:

Jeff
no one os talking about the nudest lifestyle here.
We are saying that some women, moms, females in position of authority,etc create a double standard. For example, making sons go nude while swimming while their sisters wear suits. It is simply amazing, but women can hide behind all sorts of folklore attributed to them, for example, we gave birth to them, we have seen it all, boys do not need to be modest, girls are different, females posses a mothering instinct and do not see nudity as asexual, women are not sexual, bla bla bla. Some of these blogs here are to educate about this mis-information and double standards that exists.

My overall point is that these situations were not the norm, and unusual. And I do not necessarily blame the mothers....I hold the fathers more accountable. In most situations that I have read about it was the fathers who went nude, setting the example for which the mother supported by stating some of the things you mention above. Absolute rubbish, of course. But I have never had to deal with such crap, and would ignore any woman that would say such things.

Interesting that women are changing.....not that I believe all studies, but one out last week showed a change in sexual behavior among women. Overall more do not play "hard to get", but overtly welcome sexual activity as enjoyable. I am sure it was always this way, just that women were taught as children to resist...another stereotype faltering away.

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tnmtndude wrote:

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I agree IF these nude-boy instances occurred they were extremely abnormal and in a dark corner somewhere. Someone linked a Dear Abby article from the early 70s which suggested some deluded mothers back then made their sons swim nude. But of course, there's no way to know whether those letters were from real female-mothers or just some pervy guy promoting CFNM back then. Nudist families is a separate situation because females were nude also.
I do know this for sure, there is a difference between just recounting these stories for tittilation purposes and strongly calling it abnormal and unacceptable violations of men and boys. You'll notice a clear difference between which posters on these threads always call it a violation and which other posters revel in the details, fetishize it, defend it and make excuses for the females behind it.

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[William jones]

I am William Jones,notice my location. I am ignoring them by the way.

[Jeff]

tnmtndude wrote:

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The tone of your posts seems to be one of being fascinated by female sexuality and childhood-conditioning of girls. Also you seem to be excusing female perpetrators as victims of their childhoods, which is troubling. I'm sensing fetishizing going on here.

I re-read my last post to try to determine why you responded in the way you did, as I have absolutely no fetishes going on here about either gender whatsoever. My approach to this stuff has always been academic with personal experiences intertwined. I only mentioned the study because it was just in the news, and shows contradiction to what some women apparently say--that women are generally asexual in their approach to naked men, and use that as an excuse for some of their casual treatment of male nudity, at least in times past. I actually agree with much of what I have read in your more recent posts, maybe just not quite as definitive about some of the unusual situations presented in this forum as some may have occurred. I have never had discriminatory experiences (against males as it relates to modesty)as a child or adult, and do not know personally anyone that has......I believe it is an abberation of normal upbringing to have such disparate treatment of boys and girls in the same household as it relates to nudity. But when it does occur, while I do not excuse mothers, I also think fathers are to blame....either by their own example of prancing around naked, or failing to take more charge of their children's upbringing versus their spouse's approach. I would never let my son bo naked with females arouund...never. I believe it shows a lack of respect,and may even lead to confusion as the boy enters adolescence as it is not accepted by our society in public. For some men (fathers), I suppose, particularly in times past, it shows male superiority...."as a male I can do this, but you, as a female, cannot." And I suppose some spouses of men who think this way, also support it. Thank God it is not common.

I absolutely beleive in the existence of male modesty. To be sure some males are not as modest as others (as are females), but these are individual decisions. And, if and when I ever feel a victim of a female invading my privacy or modesty, I will not sit idlely by, but loudly protest, and even contact law enforcement if warranted. I would not excuse it!!(and whatever the outcome, they likely would think twice before invading again).

I hope I have clarified my previous post.

[William jones]

He'll probably respond with some total dogdung as he normally does.

[Tethysis]

"I'm curious, did you write "Boys under 12 are not even aware they are nude." to attract attention to yourself and start an argument or were just attempting to be funny?"

Loaded question. Seems like you are the one trying to start an argument. Point of fact, in the US there are several cultures that instill various degrees of body shame in their young. You appear to be a member of a group that, for whatever reason, attempts to make the you ashamed to have a human body. I have no problem with you or your value system but I, and many other segments of the US society, simply disagree with you. Problem solved, Case closed.

[William jones]

More dogdung from termitenude. I wonder how much his wife paid the sperm bank for his son.

[William jones]

Actually Tethysis it was Sir Arthur who posted the first paragraph but don't expect termitenude to remember anything. He cannot even remember his own posts from a few minutes before.I proved that earlier.

[Sam]

Jeff wrote:

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My overall point is that these situations were not the norm, and unusual. And I do not necessarily blame the mothers....I hold the fathers more accountable. In most situations that I have read about it was the fathers who went nude, setting the example for which the mother supported by stating some of the things you mention above. Absolute rubbish, of course. But I have never had to deal with such crap, and would ignore any woman that would say such things.
Interesting that women are changing.....not that I believe all studies, but one out last week showed a change in sexual behavior among women. Overall more do not play "hard to get", but overtly welcome sexual activity as enjoyable. I am sure it was always this way, just that women were taught as children to resist...another stereotype faltering away.

It seems to me that women have been anything but prudish since the 1960's and forward. Have you seen the recent "Slut Walks"? Parades of women, dressed like sluts, hookers, etc. It is a feminist theme that women should be able to dress however they wish, without men saying they were "asking for it", should they get sexually harassed or raped. It's just another stupid example of feminist idealogy. It is like saying women should be allowed to walk naked through the streets without anyone batting an eye. Whatever happened to the old saying "if it walks like a duck..."

[Older Jock]

I would like to make it known that T...dude claims that I have written certain ideas and opinions that I have most definitely never written.
T...dude is a liar. He misquotes and takes information completely out of context so that the original meaning and intention of the supposedly quoted author's words are completely lost or, at least, misinterpreted to an extreme extent.
Please do not believe anything he writes about what other members of this forum has written and that includes my posts.
If he writes something about me, please feel free to question me about this. I will be happy to tell you what it was I really said or tell you about my actual opinion as opposed to T...dude's lie or misinterpretation.

[Older Jock]

Correction to my most recent post:
I should have written:

Please do not believe anything he writes about what other members of this forum HAVE written and that includes my posts.

[William jones]

You are right OJ,just ignore the prick. He's made a stack of mistakes and he's too stupid to see it.

[Older Jock]

Did someone claiming to be me respond to T...dude specifically? I certainly didn't. The last post I wrote was written to everyone on the Topix forums but not specifically to only T...dude.

[Sir Arthur]

tnmtndude wrote:

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Oh please fool, CaDad is 100% right about you. Except he has the identity wrong, you're not Selina - you're coyot-fembot! Now you're trying to sway the moderates like George and Sam into believing you actually care about male rights, when your best friend is Sir/Lady Arthur who opposes ALL male rights and protections from female abuse. He/she even promotes that males deserve to be beaten naked by clothed females. You're a baffoon here masquerading to provoke a reaction, that's all. Be gone!

Can you show us how you are being abused by females? You must have been abused real bad. Did girls take off your pants when you were at school? Poor titdude.

[Sir Arthur]

Older Jock wrote:

Finally, I have written about something I can actually prove!
In a recent post I wrote that when I used to participate in triathlons, the men changed clothes between events outside with little or no privacy while people who happened to be there or walking by could see them and sometimes the athletes were naked for brief periods of time. The female athletes were given tents to change in. I also wrote that I have since seen other triathlons and only one of them provided a tent for the men to change in and it was fully open on one end (it only had three wall sides).
I bet you can guess who contested this information.
A friend of mine, a fellow athlete, emailed me and told me that he saw my post on this forum and he further told me that it is still the case for many triathlons that the males are not given much if any privacy but the females are given a privacy tent or some other type of privacy.
I have not been to a triathlon since the 1990's.
My friend sent these links showing triathletes changing between events. Faking these videos would be immensely difficult to do.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6nqi3_spy-o...
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9nkx4_cicli...

Older Jock, the males in both videos look like exhibitionists to me, they are certainly taking their time to put anything on, and making a show of it. So it is not a matter of double standards at all.

[Older Jock]

Tethysis wrote:

"I'm curious, did you write "Boys under 12 are not even aware they are nude." to attract attention to yourself and start an argument or were just attempting to be funny?"
Loaded question. Seems like you are the one trying to start an argument. Point of fact, in the US there are several cultures that instill various degrees of body shame in their young. You appear to be a member of a group that, for whatever reason, attempts to make the you ashamed to have a human body. I have no problem with you or your value system but I, and many other segments of the US society, simply disagree with you. Problem solved, Case closed.

Tethysis,
The quote in the first part of your post is attributable to me. By writing this, I was definitely not trying to start an argument. I never deliberately try to start arguments. That is not my nature. The second part of your post does not describe me at all and I believe that even those who normally disagree with me and those who are my worst critics would tell you that they agree with the idea that what you've written here is not descriptive of me at all. I am, for example, definitely not ashamed of the human body.
Apparently, you have confused me with another member of this forum.

[Sir Arthur]

William jones wrote:

Thank God someone else agrees with me about "Feminine side" It's an excuse for weeds. However I agree that we men are partly to blame for the double standards and the indignities forced on us.

There seems to be two different William Jones here.