#223 Aug 10, 2013
Your hubby ROCKS! I never even thought about school showers until this post but I do recall my P.E. experiences about it. Actually it was very fair. I went to a private elementary and high school. We were not required to shower at either place. Actually I don’t think the elementary school even had showers available for us . Now in high school there were showers (the locker room look almost identical to the one in the movie Carrie so no way in heck was I stepping one foot in that shower area) but thankfully showering was always an option never a requirement. I know my husband (he went to public school) was required to shower and he hated it. I think he just wet his hair under the drinking fountain because the coach would check everyone’s hair to make sure they showered. LOL! Anyway, good to know and I plan to be kickin’ a little bootie for my kids once this issue comes around for them .
I have to tell you that last night I had a dream about you! We were driving around in a very tiny red MGB that you had rented. You were driving me around and I was telling you all the organizational stuff I learned from you. LOL! Too funny!
Anonymous January 13, 2012 at 9:54 pm
When I was in school, there was a shower “room” with a bunch of shower heads mounted to the walls, and no curtains or dividers whatsoever. And you were required to get completely naked, and walk through the locker room with everybody gawking at you. My husband said this is how it was at his school too, so this is what we envisioned for Bee. We don’t know for sure though, because we haven’t actually been in the girls’ locker room at Bee’s school.
Gina L January 14, 2012 at 12:02 am
I remember being mortified at that age too. The first elementary school I went to had no doors on the stalls so I refused to use the bathroom at school too. By the time I was in middle school I had had three back surgeries so I had scars that I was ashamed of and didn’t want any one to see or to ask questions about. I also had to wear a back brace so getting back into that contraption in front of an audience was another issue. I so wish that my parents would have gone to bat for me on this issue. Good for you!
This is January & unless there is a district wide change in the “shower policy” yet this school year, your husbands visit to the Superintendent might be forgotten/ignored in August. A gentle reminder at the beginning of the 2012 – 13 school year of your support for Bee & no PE showers might be necessary.
Maggie January 16, 2012 at 5:58 am
I think that you and your husband gave your daughter two extremely important gifts: first, you showed her that you will come to her defense when something is very distressing and she can’t manage it on her own. I think that teaching kids responsibility is important but there are situations that they, as children, are not emotionally capable of handling without the intervention of their parents. Second, you minimized anguish she’s might feel about physical fitness. Bad gym experiences can stick with someone well into adulthood and rob them of enjoyment they might feel in sports and exercise. Yippee for putting your foot down! I hope they re-examine their policy; I’m certain that many parents (whether they share your beliefs or not) don’t want their daughters to have to take communal showers and will be relieved be a policy change.
Wendy January 16, 2012 at 2:48 pm
My 5th grader is not required to shower after PE. He is a boy, but I know he would hate it. His school is K-8 so this is probably the policy for the older grades too. Whew. I know I took PE all through Jr High and High School and we were never required to shower. The funny thing is, I would have been mortified to have to shower at school, however, I was also on the swim team, and all the girls showered and changed after every practice (6x / week) and we never thought anything of it!
I hope things workout for your daughter!
#224 Aug 10, 2013
DJW, This out-of-context reprint of writing none of which is yours is rather perplexing. Is this an homage to the "nouveau roman" of the 1950s? There's no beginning or end to the story. Nah, can't be: you are neither sufficiently intelligent nor adequately well-versed in literature for that. What's the point, then, DJ? What IS the friggin' point?
#225 Aug 11, 2013
Paedophiladelphia only abolished paddling in 2005 your poor devil molly!
Corporal Punishment in Public Schools, by State
The following table lists the states allowing corporal punishment in schools according to state name and the number of students hit.
States Allowing Corporal Punishment
State Number of
students hit Percent of
Alabama 33,716 4.5%
Arizona 16 (1)
Arkansas 22,314 4.7
Colorado 8 (1)
Florida 7,185 0.3
Georgia 18,249 1.1
Idaho 111 0.4
Indiana 577 0.5
Kansas 50 .01
Kentucky 2,209 0.3
Louisiana 11,080 1.7
Mississippi 38,131 7.5
Missouri 5,159 0.6
New Mexico 705 0.2
North Carolina 2,705 0.2
Ohio 672 0.04
Oklahoma 14,828 2.3
South Carolina 1,409 0.2
Tennessee 14,868 1.5
Texas 49,197 1.1
U.S. total 223,190 0.46
NOTES: Figures are from 2008.
1. Less than 0.1%
Source: The Center for Effective Discipline, Columbus, Ohio. www.stophitting.com States Not Allowing Corporal Punishment
The following table lists the states that do not allow corporal punishment in schools, according to state name and the year in which corporal punishment was banned.
New Hampshire 1983
New Jersey 1867
New York 1985
North Dakota 1989
Rhode Island 1977
South Dakota 1990
West Virginia 1994
1. Corporal punishment is permitted in Ohio schools if a school board follows several procedures before voting to allow it. Parents in districts which allow it may refuse to have their children paddled.
2. Corporal punishment is permitted in Utah schools if a parent or guardian gives written permission for its use.
Read more: Corporal Punishment in Public Schools, by State | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934191.html#i...
Currently, twenty states allow corporal punishment in schools
(``corporal punishment states''). The use of corporal punishment in schools appears to damage the
bonds between students and educators, further harming students'
But even more shockingly, some states have enormous
numbers--49,000 kids in Texas were beat up at school by their
other teachers or principals, and in Mississippi 38,000, which
is 7.5 percent of the kids in school in Mississippi. So it
seems like this practice of beating up kids in school by
teachers and principals is very widespread in Mississippi. And
this comes as a wake-up call to me. I will certainly be joining
the chairwoman's bill as a co-sponsor.
When Audrey was in the sixth grade, she was paddled for the
first time. In general the paddles are wood and about 15 inches
long with a handle at one end. The gym coach paddled her for
being tardy for gym class. There were 10 kids late for class
that day, and the coach lined them up and hit them on their
behind in front of the other students.
There is immunity
for teachers who paddle in school.
A grandmother of a student who has Asperger's syndrome
withdrew him from his Oklahoma school in part because of the hostile
environment stemming from frequent use of corporal punishment:``It
made him much more introverted. He very much didn't want to go to
school *** No one's supposed to go to school to be tortured, school
is supposed to be fun.''\13\
End this sick SLAVE PADDLE torture Molly!
#226 Aug 11, 2013
Pennsylvania 2005 22 PA Code CHS. 7 and l2, Sec. l2.5 The molly law
#227 Aug 11, 2013
How ironic that Moron should complain that someone else made a typo...
But then, once a moron, always a moron...
Since: May 14
#228 May 27, 2014
I was not. The men of my father's generation WERE, and very often, sometimes for no reason other than the fact that they were boys at the time.
#229 May 28, 2014
I was spanked by my PE Teacher in 1986 with my white shorts on, even though he admitted I had not played around with the Javelin. Corporal punishment was abolished a couple of months later but I still saw a female pe teacher hit the back of the legs of Tiffany in 1988 even though it was then illegal.
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