Did You Swim Nude In High School?
Phil

Godstone, UK

#1475 Nov 12, 2014
"So why haven't they arrested me yet?"

It may be they have other similarly tragic, totally inadequate perverts to deal with first.
Give them time.
Be patient and work on your (lame) excuses, ie you did it for the benefit of others, nobody else reads it, they were just crude poems, etc.
At least the judge will get a laugh out of you.
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1476 Nov 12, 2014
Jurisdiction wrote:
So why haven't they arrested me yet?
Why haven't they, NAMBLA Bob? Beats the hell out of me. When and whether and how they contact you is not my for Phil or me to determine, now, is it? Just last week, a middle-school teacher and wrestling coach was arrested in NJ for child pornography; the police had monitored his online activity and had tapped his phone since 2011 before they arrested him and confiscated his computers and cell phone. All on the basis of a report from a parent of one of his students at the time. Be patient, Pedo Bob. Don't be so eager to be forced to grab your ankles for your fellow prisoners.
Fill

La Prairie, Canada

#1477 Nov 13, 2014
But you kept saying "any day now", "and soon". Why did you lie, MaltaMon?
MaltaMon

Lansdale, PA

#1478 Nov 13, 2014
Fill wrote:
But you kept saying "any day now", "and soon". Why did you lie, MaltaMon?
Well, what you say here, NAMBLA Bob, is really the lie. I never said "any day now". Never. You made that up, as you have nearly everything you've posted to date.
Dirty Juvenile Washing

Bournemouth, UK

#1479 Nov 15, 2014
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> Well, what you say here, NAMBLA Bob, is really the lie. I never said "any day now". Never. You made that up, as you have nearly everything you've posted to date.
As usual Maltamon has used lies on this forum to try and censor debate. Only Bob has had the guts to take Phil on and campaign against gender discrimination and the lack of privacy in educational institutions.

http://www.driffieldschool.net/information-fo...

Outdoor Kit:

Green and black long sleeved shirt - Available from Drury Sports only.
Black shorts
Green long socks
Boots and outdoor trainers
Towel for showers (boys)
Navy or black tracksuit bottoms may be worn during winter months for outdoor activities
A gum shield and shin pads are strongly recommended
Swimming Kit:

Boys - swimming trunks or shorts (not long) and towel
Girls - a one piece swim suit/costume and towel
Goggles can be worn if required

http://www.ashmoleacademy.org/_files/769B2044...

Physical Education Clothing
BOYS:
9 Ashmole Rugby Shirt [Navy with sky blue side
panels]
9 Ashmole Royal Blue Polo Shirt
9 Ashmole Navy Games Shorts
9 Navy Football Socks
9 Ashmole PE Navy Zipped Fleece Top [Year 10/11
only]
9 Training shoes [MUST NOT have black soles]
9 Football boots
9 Shin pads
9 Towel [STUDENTS ARE EXPECTED TO SHOWER
AFTER FOOTBALL AND RUGBY]
9 Plain navy blue tracksuit bottoms (optional)
9 Gumshield

http://www.hobart.norfolk.sch.uk/HHS/wp-conte...

All pupils should bring both swimming kit and PE kit to every PE period in case there has to be a change in
the programme.
&#61623; All pupils take a shower after Physical Education in the interests of hygiene and will therefore require a towel
for all PE lessons.

The Monsignor Maltamon's rules for Catholic school must not be followed.

http://www.educationbase.co.uk/Canon-Palmer-C...

Girls' PE Kit

Swimming - plain swimming costume maroon, black or navy. Hat for long hair. Towel.

Gym - black leotard (optional).

Games - plain white or black shorts, navy kilt-type PE skirt (optional), white aertex top, white socks, navy knickers, trainers or plimsolls.

Boys' PE Kit

Swimming - secure swimming trunks (not boxer shorts), Goggles (optional).

PE (indoors)- plain white shorts, plain white top, white socks, plimsolls or trainers. Towel, change of underwear.

PE (outdoors)- plain white or black shorts, maroon gold band reversible rugby shirt, white or yellow long socks, rugby or socker boots (for Winter), trainers (for Summer). Towel, change of underwear.
MaltaMon

Chester, PA

#1480 Nov 15, 2014
Dirty Juvenile Washing wrote:
<quoted text>
As usual Maltamon has used lies on this forum to try and censor debate. Only Bob has had the guts to take Phil on and campaign against gender discrimination and the lack of privacy in educational institutions.
http://www.driffieldschool.net/information-fo...
Outdoor Kit:
Green and black long sleeved shirt - Available from Drury Sports only.
Black shorts
Green long socks
Boots and outdoor trainers
Towel for showers (boys)
Navy or black tracksuit bottoms may be worn during winter months for outdoor activities
A gum shield and shin pads are strongly recommended
Swimming Kit:
Boys - swimming trunks or shorts (not long) and towel
Girls - a one piece swim suit/costume and towel
Goggles can be worn if required
http://www.ashmoleacademy.org/_files/769B2044...
Physical Education Clothing
BOYS:
9 Ashmole Rugby Shirt [Navy with sky blue side
panels]
9 Ashmole Royal Blue Polo Shirt
9 Ashmole Navy Games Shorts
9 Navy Football Socks
9 Ashmole PE Navy Zipped Fleece Top [Year 10/11
only]
9 Training shoes [MUST NOT have black soles]
9 Football boots
9 Shin pads
9 Towel [STUDENTS ARE EXPECTED TO SHOWER
AFTER FOOTBALL AND RUGBY]
9 Plain navy blue tracksuit bottoms (optional)
9 Gumshield
http://www.hobart.norfolk.sch.uk/HHS/wp-conte...
All pupils should bring both swimming kit and PE kit to every PE period in case there has to be a change in
the programme.
&#61623; All pupils take a shower after Physical Education in the interests of hygiene and will therefore require a towel
for all PE lessons.
The Monsignor Maltamon's rules for Catholic school must not be followed.
http://www.educationbase.co.uk/Canon-Palmer-C...
Girls' PE Kit
Swimming - plain swimming costume maroon, black or navy. Hat for long hair. Towel.
Gym - black leotard (optional).
Games - plain white or black shorts, navy kilt-type PE skirt (optional), white aertex top, white socks, navy knickers, trainers or plimsolls.
Boys' PE Kit
Swimming - secure swimming trunks (not boxer shorts), Goggles (optional).
PE (indoors)- plain white shorts, plain white top, white socks, plimsolls or trainers. Towel, change of underwear.
PE (outdoors)- plain white or black shorts, maroon gold band reversible rugby shirt, white or yellow long socks, rugby or socker boots (for Winter), trainers (for Summer). Towel, change of underwear.
"Only Bob"? By your own admission, eh? What is it, then, that you do, you sordid lonely little boy-obsessed pervert?
Dojo Judo Wasabi

Bournemouth, UK

#1481 Nov 15, 2014
The Maltamon is the only cyberhypercrite here.

http://www.holmevalley.n-lincs.sch.uk/parents...

Clothing for P.E.

Indoor
Girls - Black leotard

Boys - Black PE shorts
Outdoor
A change of clothing is required for outdoor games

Black Shorts and white T-Shirt

Trainers/black plimsolls—not shoes worn during the school day.

Track suit - advisable in cold weather

End gender discrimination in UK schools.:-)
Dojo Judo Wasabi

Bournemouth, UK

#1482 Nov 15, 2014
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> "Only Bob"? By your own admission, eh? What is it, then, that you do, you sordid lonely little boy-obsessed pervert?
I expose pederasts like you and Phil,

MaltaMon

Emmaus, PA

#1483 Nov 15, 2014
Dojo Judo Wasabi wrote:
<quoted text>
I expose pederasts like you and Phil,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =itLiMtlSFiMXX
The only pederast you expose, with every post, is you, you sick boy-loving freak. To say that we are does not make it so.
Phil

Manchester, UK

#1484 Nov 15, 2014
Dojo Judo Wasabi wrote:
<quoted text>
I expose pederasts like you and Phil,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =itLiMtlSFiMXX
13 posts in 9 hours, DJW (and no, I haven't read any of them).
Get a life, you sad, pathetic, insignificant apology for a grown up.
You are simply making a fool of yourself, nobody else.
Bob will think you are mocking me and Maltamon but then Bob is as thick as pig shit and believes he is straight and normal.
MaltaMon

Hatfield, PA

#1486 Nov 16, 2014
Phil wrote:
<quoted text>
13 posts in 9 hours, DJW (and no, I haven't read any of them).
Get a life, you sad, pathetic, insignificant apology for a grown up.
You are simply making a fool of yourself, nobody else.
Bob will think you are mocking me and Maltamon but then Bob is as thick as pig shit and believes he is straight and normal.
Either DJW is the sick, morbidly lonely little sexual deviant who whacks off to sexualized images and fantasies of naked young schoolboys, or he's a badly twisted, equally lonely and sexually frustrated internet clown who believes, as NAMBLA Bob does, that the very idea of the sexual abuse of innocent children is amusing. And who doesn't know that he's been beating at his "joke" for so long that he's in the fifth or sixth recycling of material that he's used since the beginning and under dozens of aliases. Not much of a difference between the latter and the former. Both threaten children.
Bashbro

Lansing, MI

#1487 Nov 27, 2014
I swam nude in Jr High for 2 years. My Jr High included 7th through 9th grades. In 7th grade we wore school issued, loose fitting, black, speedo type suits. In 1977 - 1979, my 8th & 9th grade years, the boys swam nude. The girls wore school issued, black, one piece suits. They never had to swim nude. The boys and girls were always separated and I do not recall any female adults ever allowed in with the boys.(And I believe I would remember that). The only justification that I recall hearing had to do with the swim suits holding soap residue from being laundered and the residue getting into the pool. But, as anyone with any common sense can determine, that makes no sense, as the girls suits were made from the same material and had 5 times more material. I have never heard a valid reason.
My school was in Lansing Michigan.
On a side note; I could never figure out why the parents did not put up more of a fuss about the situation. But it certainly is fact.
U B U

Buffalo, NY

#1488 Nov 28, 2014
Swimming nude in school at the time mid to late 70's near buffalo ny was just the norm for boys. I always liked it. I would like to swim nude again with other men. It would be great if the YMCA had maybe an hour or so a week of open nude swimming for men maybe after hours.
Dark Juicy Web

Bournemouth, UK

#1489 Nov 29, 2014
U B U wrote:
Swimming nude in school at the time mid to late 70's near buffalo ny was just the norm for boys. I always liked it. I would like to swim nude again with other men. It would be great if the YMCA had maybe an hour or so a week of open nude swimming for men maybe after hours.
Unlike Phil from Greater Manchester and Maltamon from Penisylvania I think forcing males to swim nude under water is totally wrong which is why I thank Bob for downing periscope in Dorval.

As time progressed, many parents became increasingly concerned about the policies requiring boys to swim nude. One school district was hit by a petition from parents demanding the school remove the policy. As part of its due diligence, the school district surveyed 34 schools, and of the 31 that responded, 20 had a policy requiring all boys to swim in the nude whereas girls wore suits. This would suggest that at the time, about two-thirds of all schools with swim programs had the full nudity requirement for all boys. However, this statistic is skewed as those schools that allowed boys to wear suits all had pools that were indoor-outdoor in nature, or observable from the girls' locker rooms. Thus, for the one-third of the schools that did not have the swimsuit prohibition for boys, in all cases the reasons were based upon architectural design and placement of the pool, not about the exposure of the boys' naked bodies. This implies that had those schools had similar indoor pool arrangements as the majority, they too would have had the nudity policy as well. From this we can deduce that almost all schools that had indoor pools during that era had the standard policy requiring boys to swim nude while girls were provided suits.

Another matter that this article exposes is that although filtration may have been an issue at one time, despite the improvements in technology by the date of this article, boys were still required to swim nude for different reason...money.
Dark Juicy Web

Bournemouth, UK

#1490 Nov 29, 2014
Bashbro wrote:
I swam nude in Jr High for 2 years. My Jr High included 7th through 9th grades. In 7th grade we wore school issued, loose fitting, black, speedo type suits. In 1977 - 1979, my 8th & 9th grade years, the boys swam nude. The girls wore school issued, black, one piece suits. They never had to swim nude. The boys and girls were always separated and I do not recall any female adults ever allowed in with the boys.(And I believe I would remember that). The only justification that I recall hearing had to do with the swim suits holding soap residue from being laundered and the residue getting into the pool. But, as anyone with any common sense can determine, that makes no sense, as the girls suits were made from the same material and had 5 times more material. I have never heard a valid reason.
My school was in Lansing Michigan.
On a side note; I could never figure out why the parents did not put up more of a fuss about the situation. But it certainly is fact.
Maltamon is guilty

We found one blog on a Fargo, North Dakota public high school site wherein folks that went there in the 50s and 60s retold stories of their experiences. The stories clearly evidenced that at the time the boys were required to swim in the nude whereas the girls were not. What was also interesting was the posts by some of the women that talked about how the girls' locker room doors emptied onto the pool area, and the cracks in the door were wide enough to allow the girls to peek in while they routinely would enjoy watching the boys line up for role call naked. Such stories are numerous, and several have been posted herein on our "Stories" page. However, they do not answer a more perplexing question, and that is - were females ever allowed into the swimming areas at the same time boys were conducting nude swim classes? Anecdotal stories posted by male bloggers have been found where they vehemently swear that, yes, they had female swim instructors while they conducted their swim classes in the nude. Others profess that there were parents nights and swim meets wherein parents were allowed to watch the boys demonstrate their swimming skills and/or compete while the swam in the nude, and, that these parents might bring the boys' female siblings to watch as well.

Finding articles that specifically state there were females in the swimming area while the boys swam nude are rare to find. The preponderance of articles and stories all seem to indicate that in most situations, when boys were taking swimming courses in the nude, they were routinely taught by male instructors, and females entering the pool area was not permitted. However, after exhaustive research, we did find several verified published news articles and accounts that would evidence there were in a number of instances times whereby the boys were swimming nude and while parents and siblings watched, or alternative, the boys were taught by female instructors.

In 1926, the APHA adopted guidelines about swimming attire that indicated that because fibers clogged filters, bacteria count escalated and therefore all males using pools should bathe before entering and not be permitted to wear anything whatsoever, and that females should only wear suits that were not dyed. This policy remained in effect until filtration systems had so improved that the guideline was no longer necessary, with the official change occurring in 1962. Therefore, articles found that evidence female instruction of male swimmers at the YMCA and other swimming programs prior to 1962 is a good indicating that females may have been allowed into the pool areas while boys swam nude, although not absolutely conclusive. However, when such articles expressly state that the boys were to swim nude, the respective news article must be viewed as conclusive, and we present some such articles below.
Phil Edwards say

Bournemouth, UK

#1491 Nov 29, 2014
U B U wrote:
Swimming nude in school at the time mid to late 70's near buffalo ny was just the norm for boys. I always liked it. I would like to swim nude again with other men. It would be great if the YMCA had maybe an hour or so a week of open nude swimming for men maybe after hours.
Phil Edwards says:
7 June 2012 at 4:25 pm
I was at a boys-only secondary school in the 70s. My overwhelming impression, looking back, is that it was a foreign country.

There was a teacher who offered to supervise Saturday morning sessions in the school pool on condition that the boys swam in the nude; it’s hard to imagine that his motives were entirely pure (he wasn’t even a PE teacher). The swimming sessions were stopped, but there wasn’t much of a fuss; he was a good teacher, apart from anything else. As far as we were concerned, the idea of teachers taking an unhealthy interest in us was a running joke that nobody really took seriously; teachers were singled out as suspect more because it was funny than because we actually suspected anything.(There were most jokes about a teacher who we knew to be married with a family; he even had a son in our year.) Some teachers did occasionally use corporal punishment, and some of them may have taken a bit too much relish in it, but we just thought it was part of school life; you never supposed that such and such a teacher might genuinely fancy boys, any more than you imagined that John Inman actually was gay. When push comes to shove, as it were, I never heard of any boy actually being molested (as we said then); certainly I was never approached myself, which is more than I could say of my first year at Cambridge.

During the 50s thru 70s swim classes were held in the nude at grammar and high schools in the Buffalo, NY, area. When we boys asked why only the boys class was held in the nude we were told it was something about our swim suits blocking the drains – no i’m not kidding. Many years later when i asked friends if their schools had done the same, i found that many schools throughout the US had the same policy of nude swim classes for boys. Decades later when i asked about this of a friend who had lived in a city near Buffalo during the same period, he said that his school had the same policy. When i asked him why he thought they had this policy, he replied it must be some “greek thing”, then paused and said,“Ohhhhh”.

At the same time i don’t think any of us had any concerns that this was somehow sexual. We were probably more than a bit naive, and i mean that in the best sense, yet even now at the age of 65 i still think it will remain a mystery that really was without evil intent.

I’d say nearly half the teachers were ‘bachelors’: it was no secret what that meant. I suspect any number of them would have been quite thrilled to play pocket pool with us.”

I find this piece deeply unsettling, because a series of juxtapositions appears to suggest significant links between homosexual teachers and the sexual abuse of their students. Perhaps that was not what the author intended. Perhaps it never really occurred to him in those terms. But the fact is that homophobic associations between homosexuality and paedophilia persist, gathered together under the umbrella of ‘deviant sexuality’. These associations are more frequently implied than they are articulated these days, but they have certainly not disappeared.
For that reason, much as the author might never have had any intention of implying such a link, it would be welcome if he could clarify his view.

I hope very much that I have got it totally wrong, but it would be nice to know for sure Bob.
RDL

Englewood, FL

#1493 Jan 3, 2015
I swam nude from 1965 to 1967 at my high school in Mt. Clemens Mich. The experience for me was very enjoyable. I agree with the men who have protested the presence of ANY females in a nude boys swim class. Even back in the 60's it would have been unthinkable in sex-segregated PE classes at the time. IF, and I mean IF it happened, the schools or institutions involved should have stopped it at once, and those who did allow it should have been disciplined, including job termination for any girls or female teachers present, unless the boys had bathing suits on, but NEVER if the boys were naked!!!!
CaDad

Granby, Canada

#1494 Jan 4, 2015
I agree. The unspeakable trauma those boys would have suffered if ANY female under ANY circumstance had even a GLIMPSE of his penis...
James

Plano, TX

#1495 Jan 4, 2015
DJW wrote:
<quoted text>
While Maltamon may be sceptical about boys swimming naked in High School the one thing that will make his genitals shrink is the practice of forced nude weigh in's for wrestling that carried on until mid 2010. Maltamon was himself a victim of this practice that occured in his Pennsylvania High School in the 1970's.
Often boys were forced to strip naked one by one while their coach leered on!
Why couldn't they let them keep their underwear on? & for all those forced nudity deniers there is proof!
see below: http://internationalyn.org/forum/index.php...
High schools ban naked weigh-ins for wrestling
« on: May 08, 2010, 01:50:42 am »The rationale is correct, in my opinion, but its sad that its come to this, not for the athletes, but just in general.
No more naked weigh-ins in high school wrestling, not in this age of cell-phone cameras and easy access to the Internet.
Among wrestling rules changes approved last week by the National Federation of State High School Associations is that starting next season competitors must weigh in wearing "suitable" undergarments.
That means something covering the buttocks, groin and (in the case of girls) the breasts.
"The concern is technology. We're getting into cell phones getting into weigh-in areas. It's a privacy thing," said Bob Colgate, assistant director of the Indianapolis-based association.
There have been breaches of that privacy.
"There is every year," Colgate said. "If I was in a state association office, I'd rather have someone upset at me that their daughter or son was a tenth of a pound overweight than call and tell me,'Why is their picture on the Internet?' "
With weight classes in wrestling, a tenth of a pound can prevent a wrestler from competing at that weight. That was motivation for some to totally strip.
The previous rule was they could wear "no more" than an undergarment, and there was a rationale for that. Weigh-ins also are when wrestlers undergo checks for skin conditions such as ringworm. It is a total body check of limbs and torsos.
"They didn't want you covering up some kind of communicable skin condition," said Dale Pleimann, chairman of the association's wrestling rules committee.
The new rule is about images spreading on the Internet.
"With cell phones and (video) recordings and pictures and stuff like that, privacy issues were a great concern," Pleimann said. "All it takes is one time. With the ease of putting stuff like that on the Internet, YouTube and all those things, we just felt it's better to make sure that everybody is appropriately covered."
Colgate also said the rule accommodates female doctors and athletic trainers doing skin checks on males and vice versa.
Before last season, the NCAA made a rules change that wrestlers must weigh in wearing briefs, boxers or a competition singlet.
It also cited privacy and the increased number of female athletic trainers, doctors and administrators.
The NCAA had allowed naked weigh-ins. In international freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling outside of the school setting, the rule is that wrestlers must weigh in wearing their competition singlets. That was done at last week's U.S. Open in Cleveland.
From: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/2010...
WoW , I can't believe I'm reading this. In High School we always had Nude weigh ins for wrestling and it was no big deal. We even had our school physicals in the locker room. The only issue with that was that as we were getting older and we would come out of the shower and get weighed and BP etc. by the Nurse. In my school the Dr was my friends father and the nurse was his mother, so that was embarrassing for all of us that knew them. Also his parents were only in their early 40's. At 12 that seems old but when you are 15,16 and 17 it does not feel much older. But seriously, naked weigh in for wrestling? Unless the coach was female???
James

Plano, TX

#1496 Jan 4, 2015
Phil Edwards say wrote:
<quoted text>
Phil Edwards says:
7 June 2012 at 4:25 pm
I was at a boys-only secondary school in the 70s. My overwhelming impression, looking back, is that it was a foreign country.
There was a teacher who offered to supervise Saturday morning sessions in the school pool on condition that the boys swam in the nude; it’s hard to imagine that his motives were entirely pure (he wasn’t even a PE teacher). The swimming sessions were stopped, but there wasn’t much of a fuss; he was a good teacher, apart from anything else. As far as we were concerned, the idea of teachers taking an unhealthy interest in us was a running joke that nobody really took seriously; teachers were singled out as suspect more because it was funny than because we actually suspected anything.(There were most jokes about a teacher who we knew to be married with a family; he even had a son in our year.) Some teachers did occasionally use corporal punishment, and some of them may have taken a bit too much relish in it, but we just thought it was part of school life; you never supposed that such and such a teacher might genuinely fancy boys, any more than you imagined that John Inman actually was gay. When push comes to shove, as it were, I never heard of any boy actually being molested (as we said then); certainly I was never approached myself, which is more than I could say of my first year at Cambridge.
During the 50s thru 70s swim classes were held in the nude at grammar and high schools in the Buffalo, NY, area. When we boys asked why only the boys class was held in the nude we were told it was something about our swim suits blocking the drains – no i’m not kidding. Many years later when i asked friends if their schools had done the same, i found that many schools throughout the US had the same policy of nude swim classes for boys. Decades later when i asked about this of a friend who had lived in a city near Buffalo during the same period, he said that his school had the same policy. When i asked him why he thought they had this policy, he replied it must be some “greek thing”, then paused and said,“Ohhhhh”.
At the same time i don’t think any of us had any concerns that this was somehow sexual. We were probably more than a bit naive, and i mean that in the best sense, yet even now at the age of 65 i still think it will remain a mystery that really was without evil intent.
I’d say nearly half the teachers were ‘bachelors’: it was no secret what that meant. I suspect any number of them would have been quite thrilled to play pocket pool with us.”
I find this piece deeply unsettling, because a series of juxtapositions appears to suggest significant links between homosexual teachers and the sexual abuse of their students. Perhaps that was not what the author intended. Perhaps it never really occurred to him in those terms. But the fact is that homophobic associations between homosexuality and paedophilia persist, gathered together under the umbrella of ‘deviant sexuality’. These associations are more frequently implied than they are articulated these days, but they have certainly not disappeared.
For that reason, much as the author might never have had any intention of implying such a link, it would be welcome if he could clarify his view.
I hope very much that I have got it totally wrong, but it would be nice to know for sure Bob.
I lived in Maine for a few years and we also had to swim nude. It was all boys and an occasional mother who might pop in. I also remember in elementary school when they made us shower after PE. We all had one coach and she was female and she would walk into both changing rooms to make sure everyone was showering. I do not recall it being a big deal?

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