I've never met a dumb home-schooled kid

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Just my luck, I missed out on two of the greatest concepts in education: the one-room schoolhouse and home schooling.
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I have taught 5th grade for several years and usually have a tough time receiving home schooled students. Their lowest area is usually writing, with math coming in a close second. Students usually have a rough time working for any consistent amount of time, not that we are slave drivers, or anything. I think home schooling is a really nice idea IF parents are able to provide sufficient instruction, but we so have some social issues (passing gas, nose picking) since rules at home are often different from school.
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Carlsbad ex wrote:
If the federal government would have kept their hands out of local public schools, then the schools would have been able to teach children subject matter as local boards and the states saw fit. But no, they have to pander to every group and special interest that comes along as well as having to feed, babysit, discipline, etc.
Would have had entirely different results.
But, there are good small school around and they are in smaller districts that allow schools to teach.
Pssst..hey, Carlsbad. Who do you think supplies a huge part of the money to run those "good small schools" you like so much?
Why, it's those evil, meddling FEDS!
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I have taught 5th grade for several years and usually have a tough time receiving home schooled students. Their lowest area is usually writing, with math coming in a close second. Students usually have a rough time working for any consistent amount of time, not that we are slave drivers, or anything. I think home schooling is a really nice idea IF parents are able to provide sufficient instruction, but we so have some social issues (passing gas, nose picking) since rules at home are often different from school.
My friend the retired teacher turned tutor says exactly the same things you do in your post. Judy makes a very good living trying to correct the mistakes and ignorance that some home-schooling parents have inflicted on their kids.
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Home-schooled or not homeschooled, it's interesting to see how much education a person actually has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Is a very interesting video. DO NOT WATCH IF YOU'RE OFFENDED BY LANGUAGE. I'm just saying, aside from the language, it's a comedian that interviews random people on VERY common history facts. People of all ages.

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elementary teacher wrote:
I have taught 5th grade for several years and usually have a tough time receiving home schooled students. Their lowest area is usually writing, with math coming in a close second. Students usually have a rough time working for any consistent amount of time, not that we are slave drivers, or anything. I think home schooling is a really nice idea IF parents are able to provide sufficient instruction, but we so have some social issues (passing gas, nose picking) since rules at home are often different from school.
Since when is passing gas and picking your nose a social issue in elementary school? They are kids for crying out loud. If you had said they were distruptive, fighting, or using obscenities I could have agreed with the whole statement. Those aren't social issues, those are kids being kids. We should expect our children to learn how to behave and have manners, but they are not robots.

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Carlsbad ex wrote:
If the federal government would have kept their hands out of local public schools, then the schools would have been able to teach children subject matter as local boards and the states saw fit. But no, they have to pander to every group and special interest that comes along as well as having to feed, babysit, discipline, etc.
Would have had entirely different results.
But, there are good small school around and they are in smaller districts that allow schools to teach.
Yeah - If the Feds had just stayed out of it we'd still have 'separate but equal.' We'd have rapture right-wingnuts teaching America was established as a Christian nation, dinosaurs rode on the mythical Ark, that fossils are tools of the devil, and Jesus is coming back so we are free to trash the earth.

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Agree, with all of the above. I didn't realize that portfolio based assessments were still being utilized. I haven't really seen this in any of my kiddos' classrooms. Either they just haven't showed them to me yet, or my kiddos are not being evaluated in this way. I do get to see all of the different test scores and such, but not anything that would be considered a portfolio. Thanks for the input!
I don't understand how people judge these posts...how can someone disagree with your experience? Portfolios are more suitable for kids from about fifth grade on...prior to that, they're not quite ready. I don't like to admit it, but some teachers are too lazy to use portfolios or other complex assessments and rely on easier methods. Good teachers are assessing all the time--look in a kid's eyes and have a conversation and you can tell what they understand and don't understand. I've had a broad range of experiences with both home-schooled kids and those who have attended private schools but were kicked out when either their academics or their behavior was out of line with what was accepted in the school. The only time I would choose to home school is if my child had a serious medical condition or was being bullied on the mean streets of middle school...I was fortunate not to have either of those situations with my kid. Other people make different choices, which is just one of the cool things about America.
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IggyKat wrote:
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Since when is passing gas and picking your nose a social issue in elementary school? They are kids for crying out loud. If you had said they were distruptive, fighting, or using obscenities I could have agreed with the whole statement. Those aren't social issues, those are kids being kids. We should expect our children to learn how to behave and have manners, but they are not robots.
What do manners have to do with being robots? What are you teaching your kids at home?

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I don't understand how people judge these posts...how can someone disagree with your experience? Portfolios are more suitable for kids from about fifth grade on...prior to that, they're not quite ready. I don't like to admit it, but some teachers are too lazy to use portfolios or other complex assessments and rely on easier methods. Good teachers are assessing all the time--look in a kid's eyes and have a conversation and you can tell what they understand and don't understand. I've had a broad range of experiences with both home-schooled kids and those who have attended private schools but were kicked out when either their academics or their behavior was out of line with what was accepted in the school. The only time I would choose to home school is if my child had a serious medical condition or was being bullied on the mean streets of middle school...I was fortunate not to have either of those situations with my kid. Other people make different choices, which is just one of the cool things about America.
The judging is just silly. I don't pay any attention to it except to make fun of it sometimes. Most people on here don't judge what you are saying. If you ruffle someone's feathers they will judge everything you say negative no matter how much their "judgements" don't make sense. Welcome to Topix. It makes me laugh because the judging just makes them look more ignorant. Home schooling isn't bad. I really think, as with Public school, it all comes down to the individual parent. There are some that definitely should not be homeschooling their children, but others would do just fine. I maintain that all education boils down to the parents, or guardians. Thanks again for the input!

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That would also explain why I haven't seen a lot of portfolios yet. Only have one past grade 5, so we'll see what comes out over the next few years. Thanks again!

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IggyKat wrote:
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It is the legislation. The No Child Left Behind Act, while good intentioned, has created a mess. Most teachers are teaching to the test and just trying to get the scores they need to keep their jobs. Teachers should be held accountable, but not for teaching a child how to memorize facts and guess true or false or fill in the bubble. There are three teachers in my family in different areas of New Mexico and they are all saying the same thing, No Child Left Behind has screwed up our system pretty badly. We need to teach the basics, reading and math, but we also need to teach critical thinking skills, history, social studies, and geography. Because reading and math are so high up on the NMSBA scale, that is all that is taught and the other stuff only comes in if they have enough time left over. It is completely unbalanced. Again, strong parental involvement is always the key to any child's education, no matter where that might be.
The concept is/was very well intentioned. It had all the ear marks of a well thought
out battle plan, but the execution was like so liberal that the weak neck of
execution could not hold up the oversized head of reality.

I personally know a husband and wife (man and a woman) who raised six children
and homeschooled them all. 4 of them are attending university and 2 have graduated from college with advanced degrees. Absolutely impressive as the money earning parents are average blue-collar employees working outside of the home.

I can be done and the pomp and circumstance of modern education just seems to
be driven by the overabundance of mountains of money but it can certainly be
done with will and persistence for excellence and simple caring with respect
for the elders ad personal responsibility for one's actions/consequence.

Teachers that can't be fired because of their super-unions, need to be removed and
put where their actual skills fit their appropriate students needs.

I am equally amazed that some of these working teachers actually graduated with professional teaching degrees. Some I've met would make fine realtors or folding towels and sheets in any department store. I said some, not all....who possibly make up the dynamic of 30% of student drop-outs.

They are handed an approved teaching curriculum to carry out, and dumb kids are passed along anyway with advanced cell phone and video gaming skills.

They CAN be taught.

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The concept is/was very well intentioned. It had all the ear marks of a well thought
out battle plan, but the execution was like so liberal that the weak neck of
execution could not hold up the oversized head of reality.
I personally know a husband and wife (man and a woman) who raised six children
and homeschooled them all. 4 of them are attending university and 2 have graduated from college with advanced degrees. Absolutely impressive as the money earning parents are average blue-collar employees working outside of the home.
I can be done and the pomp and circumstance of modern education just seems to
be driven by the overabundance of mountains of money but it can certainly be
done with will and persistence for excellence and simple caring with respect
for the elders ad personal responsibility for one's actions/consequence.
Teachers that can't be fired because of their super-unions, need to be removed and
put where their actual skills fit their appropriate students needs.
I am equally amazed that some of these working teachers actually graduated with professional teaching degrees. Some I've met would make fine realtors or folding towels and sheets in any department store. I said some, not all....who possibly make up the dynamic of 30% of student drop-outs.
They are handed an approved teaching curriculum to carry out, and dumb kids are passed along anyway with advanced cell phone and video gaming skills.
They CAN be taught.
I agree. Bad teachers need to be let go, and they absolutely need to be held accountable. No Child Behind just heightened our sense of parental involvement. Now that many teachers are teaching to the test, it is up to the parents to make sure that their child has everything they need. Even the good teachers have a hard time implementing good ideas because they have the looming NMSBA in the back of their mind. It's a mess. Wish we could get rid of NCLB and start fresh with ideas from actual teachers, not legislators who know nothing of what is actually needed in today's classrooms. Since we are where we are at, parents are going to have to get involved. If they didn't want to be involved, they shouldn't have had children in the first place. And we need to revamp the system of teacher accountability so that those who are ineffective can be weeded out and replaced with those who are. Home schooling can be a great tool in the hands of a very motivated parent, and yield fantastic results.
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Lee Pitts must not be very intelligent. ALL kids are dumb, that's why they need adult supervision, direction, and instruction.
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I am just saying I know a fair ammount of home schooled kids that are now adults - they aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. If you can give me some data that would show how a mother with no degree (or even a degree in one subject) can do just as good of a job teaching 7 subjects as 7 teachers with an expertise and training in each individual subject - I would be willing to listen. Until then, common sense (at least I hope it is for everyone) would tell me that it doesn't add up. If your mom had the chance to go through k-12 education and become an expert in all subject matters before she teaches it to you, then she is my hero. It isn't possible, you can't argue that!

Look, to each their own - I get that. The only thing I am saying is that you can't compare the education between public schools, and home schools. Kids need structure, public schools provide that - the real world is very structured. You typically don't get to set your own hours and have your mother judge your work. Unless you own your own business. Then lets just hope your customers or clients don't ask you to write a letter!
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So true of both home schooling and education prior to the times of present day "mind controling for political correctness". I have several friends who home schooled their children. All of those children have grown into way above average adults, the kind of adult all of us hope our children will grow up to be.
Unfortunately in our free, compulsory public education, the old time dedicated teacher is being pushed aside in order to make room for the NEA or other Teachers' union member who will lobby for less work and more pay for members.
Sad but true. Gladly there are still a few dedicated teachers left who haven't yet been pushed out.
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OMG. Have a number of persons I know who were home-schooled and they are certainly well indoctrinated in their religion. I will say that.
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Amen and amen :)
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I beg to differ, yet I guess I can see where such an assumption comes from. I've been home schooled for about 5-6 years, and I have wonderful social skills and a good head on my shoulders. I'm also very independent, but I can see why you say what you said in a way, because 75% of other homeschoolers I've met I can't connect with at all. I don't get along with them, they're far too closed minded for me, or just too immature. However, you can't just toss that cliche on everyone that home educates.
No fool. You have no social skills. You have a self inflated view of yourself. You think having fun and going round with other kids your age is stupud and childish. See what I mean, rebellious little turd? You can't connect with your fellow homeschoolers because you didn't develope empathy just like other homeschooled children, stupid! Far too closed minded? Haven't learnt to initiate a conversation and accept other kids views? Think people are closed minded when you don't even know how they think? Rebellious self absorbed litte rebel!
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No fool. You have no social skills. You have a self inflated view of yourself. You think having fun and going round with other kids your age is stupud and childish. See what I mean, rebellious little turd? You can't connect with your fellow homeschoolers because you didn't develope empathy just like other homeschooled children, stupid! Far too closed minded? Haven't learnt to initiate a conversation and accept other kids views? Think people are closed minded when you don't even know how they think? Rebellious self absorbed litte rebel!
"rebellious little turd?"
"stupid!"
"self absorbed litte rebel!"

And what charm school taught you your (piss poor) social skills?
Somewhere a village is missing it's idiot.
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Phil wrote:
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"rebellious little turd?"
"stupid!"
"self absorbed litte rebel!"
And what charm school taught you your (piss poor) social skills?
Somewhere a village is missing it's idiot.
So now the young Phil wants to talk tough! Sweet, let him be what he wants, the fierce mighty lions will soon gobble up, chew, and obliterate the adorable little cub!

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