School cheating scandal shakes up Atlanta

Apr 13, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WTLV

As dozens of educators indicted in the Atlanta Public Schools cheating scandal prepare for the next phase of the legal process, some area African Americans view the indictments as overkill.

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And you know this how?? If there was any validity in your statement then situations like what happened in Atlanta would be a daily write-up in print or on national news. But it isnít.
Spend some time in a school and you will soon realize the horrors inside the public school system. Incompetence, abuse, waste, deception are just a few words that can describe this abysmal institution. Taxpayers have been fleeced and most students have been duped into thinking they will be adequately prepared for a decent college. This cheating scandal is only the tip of the iceberg. Big govt. has been hiding the truth and will continue to do so. Every once in a while something slips through the fortress.
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Unionizing the Teachers doomed our Public Schools. Period. We have allowed the unions and their bought and paid for Democrats to diminish our own kids futures.
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Hmmm, and no one mentions the root cause of the entire problem......parents who just don't care what their little angels are (or aren't) doing in school.......
Many people don't value what they perceive to be free. After all, when parents send their kids to public school and only have to spend a few bucks on book rental....what do you expect? In return, these mooches get free babysitting and free transportation! Should it be a wonder why so many parents don't care? If they were to pay a substantial user tax, that alone would wake up the deadbeats into getting a little more interested in what their kids are doing at school. They don't want to 'waste' THEIR money. BUT.....that is really the minority. Many parents really do care and want to partner with their teachers but that's where things may go awry.

Many teachers and administrators don't give two shits about their students or teaching.... just collecting a paycheck, receiving their paid benefits and scooting out the door when the bell goes off at 3:00. It's a two way street. I've known many parents/kids who have tried to negotiate around the hostile territory of public education. The fortunate ones get out early. I'm not saying ALL public schools are bad but the majority really are. Just because your kid is getting straight A's does not mean the school or your student is a success.

Cheating is just another way the incompetents trick the gullibles into believing they are doing their jobs.

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And you know this how?? If there was any validity in your statement then situations like what happened in Atlanta would be a daily write-up in print or on national news. But it isnít.
Did you just get to this subject? This was the main subject in the news for about a year, the lack of teaching in APS, their spending more per child than any other school district, and having the lowest test scores in Georgia. The teachers couldn't teach so they cheated.

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<quoted text>Spend some time in a school and you will soon realize the horrors inside the public school system. Incompetence, abuse, waste, deception are just a few words that can describe this abysmal institution. Taxpayers have been fleeced and most students have been duped into thinking they will be adequately prepared for a decent college. This cheating scandal is only the tip of the iceberg. Big govt. has been hiding the truth and will continue to do so. Every once in a while something slips through the fortress.
I was in one of these schools and a principal showed me 30 reading machines that had never been used because the teachers didn't have the expertise and knowledge to use them. The machines had been purchased for $3l,000 each with federal money. Upon my return to the school the principal I asked the principal about the machines, and he said they had been junked. The only people who benefited from these machines were those who sold them and I suspect the principal who got a kickback for buying them. So much for our federal tax dollars and education.

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Edit.........
One sentence should read: Upon my return to the school in two years I asked the principal about the machines, and he said they had been junked.

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Where is Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson on this??? They claim to be all about what is best for the black community, what is fair for them, and claim to care about their best interest.....must not have had any way to make money off of this situation.

It's actually astonishing the way these two dodged this issue. They are the undisputed kings of double standards. They back the likes of Rangel and Waters (and Marion Barry years ago) but rule #1 for them s t NEVER discuss anything negative about a BLACK person. Even if that BLACK person cheats thousands of BLACK children out of their future.

I KNOW that BLACK people HAVE to be smarter than this. Why do they do nothing? Why don't they call these hustlers out?
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I was in one of these schools and a principal showed me 30 reading machines that had never been used because the teachers didn't have the expertise and knowledge to use them. The machines had been purchased for $3l,000 each with federal money. Upon my return to the school the principal I asked the principal about the machines, and he said they had been junked. The only people who benefited from these machines were those who sold them and I suspect the principal who got a kickback for buying them. So much for our federal tax dollars and education.
This is very common but unfortunately most people either don't know about it or won't tell. Those that do may not want to compromise their identity because this kind of knowledge is not open to everyone. Federal, state and even money from private donations are wasted every day and few even know how much goes out the window. Administrators are skilled deceivers and teachers are very good at either looking the other way or playing along. Here are some examples I found at some of the schools I visited....." hundreds of thousands of dollars of microscopes unused and still in boxes in school storage. Not sure if these were going to be sold on the black market, no proof. Unused textbooks under counters, no one knew they were there. Tens of thousands of dollars of grant money used for teacher education/materials and not ONE program implemented at that ONE school alone! This was over a two year span. One school turned down a donation of $50,000 of new laptops because they wanted to purchase their own with taxpayer money.$10,000 of materials for dissecting materials unused due to political issues.$150,000 spent to accomodate one student,$1,000,000 in attorney fees to argue trivial matters that could have been handled outside the court system in one very small school district. Disposal of one year old computers for new computers......$175,000.$60,00 0 distance learning equipment and training....used a handful of times because teachers couldn't figure out how to do it. These examples are just a few examples.
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Most professional educators 'teach' production line/cya style. The problem of trouble shooting a student's difficulties with a subject is rarely if correctly addressed. This is why many students give up and/or trail internationally on the basics of math and science.

If a student has trouble most teachers drop the student back to a slower class where they will be fed the same subject, from the same textbook in the same fashion and possibly the same teacher.

Why is that student falling behind academically. Even if you eliminate outside factors like physical and home conditions most teachers cannot trouble shoot their own subject and/or come up with alternative methods and techniques of teaching. This is why they resort to cheating which is nothing but securing their job-it's not even benefiting the student.
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Cheating! Whats the hub bub?
Cheating is the gross national product of america. Used to be illegal to screw over people, but now it's as popular as ass dragger pants,tats, face beads,afgan heroin,and lazy politicians.
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Most professional educators 'teach' production line/cya style. The problem of trouble shooting a student's difficulties with a subject is rarely if correctly addressed. This is why many students give up and/or trail internationally on the basics of math and science.
If a student has trouble most teachers drop the student back to a slower class where they will be fed the same subject, from the same textbook in the same fashion and possibly the same teacher.
Why is that student falling behind academically. Even if you eliminate outside factors like physical and home conditions most teachers cannot trouble shoot their own subject and/or come up with alternative methods and techniques of teaching. This is why they resort to cheating which is nothing but securing their job-it's not even benefiting the student.
Many educators won't retain, they will just move them out of the system which makes the problem even worse. Your production line analogy is a good one but don't forget.....the production line method changes with the wind. One year, it will be whole language and the next phonics.....new math or the common core. Some of the nonsense works somewhat and other times.... it fails badly. Unfortunately the students may suffer terrible gaps in their education. In one school, there was a teacher that didn't believe in teaching fractions to fourth graders while the others did. When standardized testing time came around....guess what? Pity for the kids who didn't have parents in the know....(those parents who realized their kids were missing out on an important subject)..... tutored their kids so they wouldn't fall behind or do poorly on standardized testing. There were parents who were in the dark and didn't know because they trusted what they were told. Those parents were livid when they got the scores back but the teacher remained and continued never teaching fractions to fourth graders until she got married and moved.

There were other teachers who felt they were sucessful if their students earned at least a C! A parent told me about meeting with her child's teacher who told her that earning a C was nothing to be ashamed of. Her child actually earned a B but the teacher was either clueless or was trying to tell her that even a C was an indicator of this teacher's ability to teach the subject adequately. Why was the parent engaged in a discussion like this? The parent was concerned her child wasn't being challenged and was bored. The parent attempted to partner with the teacher and see if he could challenge her child to overcome the boredom and instill a love of learning. The parent offered to provide additional materials as well as volunteer helping the teacher with copies and other mundane tasks. The teacher didn't feel her child needed enrichment. The parent was quick to respond and found a more suitable school that was more than willing to deliver quality academics in keeping with the needs of its students.

When you have big govt. delivering education to the masses, you get what you get. Parents should be empowered and responsible for their children's education. Entrusting big govt. is a huge mistake.
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<quoted text>Many educators won't retain, they will just move them out of the system which makes the problem even worse. Your production line analogy is a good one but don't forget.....the production line method changes with the wind. One year, it will be whole language and the next phonics.....new math or the common core. Some of the nonsense works somewhat and other times.... it fails badly. Unfortunately the students may suffer terrible gaps in their education. In one school, there was a teacher that didn't believe in teaching fractions to fourth graders while the others did. When standardized testing time came around....guess what? Pity for the kids who didn't have parents in the know....(those parents who realized their kids were missing out on an important subject)..... tutored their kids so they wouldn't fall behind or do poorly on standardized testing. There were parents who were in the dark and didn't know because they trusted what they were told. Those parents were livid when they got the scores back but the teacher remained and continued never teaching fractions to fourth graders until she got married and moved.
There were other teachers who felt they were sucessful if their students earned at least a C! A parent told me about meeting with her child's teacher who told her that earning a C was nothing to be ashamed of. Her child actually earned a B but the teacher was either clueless or was trying to tell her that even a C was an indicator of this teacher's ability to teach the subject adequately. Why was the parent engaged in a discussion like this? The parent was concerned her child wasn't being challenged and was bored. The parent attempted to partner with the teacher and see if he could challenge her child to overcome the boredom and instill a love of learning. The parent offered to provide additional materials as well as volunteer helping the teacher with copies and other mundane tasks. The teacher didn't feel her child needed enrichment. The parent was quick to respond and found a more suitable school that was more than willing to deliver quality academics in keeping with the needs of its students.
When you have big govt. delivering education to the masses, you get what you get. Parents should be empowered and responsible for their children's education. Entrusting big govt. is a huge mistake.
Funny you mention fractions. I had a college calculus teacher say most students have trouble with algebra and calculus because they either forget fractions or never really learned them. Along with going over the correct answers to test and problems he would always include a BASIC fraction review-it worked. And yet in the public primary schools they can't figure that out, it's just repeat it until you get it right.

The teachers happy with the Cs are happy that THEIR students passed with a little room to spare. It's not about actually preparing the students or teaching them it is about their productivity metrics used by just as ignorant administrators who in turn use those same metrics and flawed logic on public officials come fund me time.

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<quoted text> This is very common but unfortunately most people either don't know about it or won't tell. Those that do may not want to compromise their identity because this kind of knowledge is not open to everyone. Federal, state and even money from private donations are wasted every day and few even know how much goes out the window. Administrators are skilled deceivers and teachers are very good at either looking the other way or playing along. Here are some examples I found at some of the schools I visited....." hundreds of thousands of dollars of microscopes unused and still in boxes in school storage. Not sure if these were going to be sold on the black market, no proof. Unused textbooks under counters, no one knew they were there. Tens of thousands of dollars of grant money used for teacher education/materials and not ONE program implemented at that ONE school alone! This was over a two year span. One school turned down a donation of $50,000 of new laptops because they wanted to purchase their own with taxpayer money.$10,000 of materials for dissecting materials unused due to political issues.$150,000 spent to accomodate one student,$1,000,000 in attorney fees to argue trivial matters that could have been handled outside the court system in one very small school district. Disposal of one year old computers for new computers......$175,000.$60,00 0 distance learning equipment and training....used a handful of times because teachers couldn't figure out how to do it. These examples are just a few examples.
Thanks for telling everyone about the waste and graft in our schools. Teachers are like farmers they are always begging for more of our tax dollars. The UGA announced yesterday that a professor had received a $59,000 federal grant to look at the history of the democratic and Republican parties in Georgia. The UGA should have rejected this grant and told the feds that all this info was in our UGA library and if they needed it to go look. This is an example of obama's waste of money we don't have on a project we sure don't need. obama only spends, he hasn't paid back one dime of the money he has spent on needless democratic socialist programs. And the national debt keeps climbing, tick tock, tick tock.

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<quoted text>Spend some time in a school and you will soon realize the horrors inside the public school system. Incompetence, abuse, waste, deception are just a few words that can describe this abysmal institution. Taxpayers have been fleeced and most students have been duped into thinking they will be adequately prepared for a decent college. This cheating scandal is only the tip of the iceberg. Big govt. has been hiding the truth and will continue to do so. Every once in a while something slips through the fortress.
You seem to have a definite view as to the workings in public schools. Do you perhaps work in a school?

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I was in one of these schools and a principal showed me 30 reading machines that had never been used because the teachers didn't have the expertise and knowledge to use them. The machines had been purchased for $3l,000 each with federal money. Upon my return to the school the principal I asked the principal about the machines, and he said they had been junked. The only people who benefited from these machines were those who sold them and I suspect the principal who got a kickback for buying them. So much for our federal tax dollars and education.
No, I posted my opinion on this thread when the story first made national headlines. My response to your post was based on your generalization that test scores have dropped nationally because very little teaching is occurring in the classrooms. You did not qualify your statement by indicating you were referencing only the schools in the Atlanta school district.
I do agree that what was done by those teachers and administrators is reprehensible.
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You seem to have a definite view as to the workings in public schools. Do you perhaps work in a school?
Let's just say I have been involved in the dealings in public schools for many many years.
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No, I posted my opinion on this thread when the story first made national headlines. My response to your post was based on your generalization that test scores have dropped nationally because very little teaching is occurring in the classrooms. You did not qualify your statement by indicating you were referencing only the schools in the Atlanta school district.
I do agree that what was done by those teachers and administrators is reprehensible.
There has been discussion for a very long time about the dumbing down of America. Public education has become a holding tank and babysitter for too many students.
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Thanks for telling everyone about the waste and graft in our schools. Teachers are like farmers they are always begging for more of our tax dollars. The UGA announced yesterday that a professor had received a $59,000 federal grant to look at the history of the democratic and Republican parties in Georgia. The UGA should have rejected this grant and told the feds that all this info was in our UGA library and if they needed it to go look. This is an example of obama's waste of money we don't have on a project we sure don't need. obama only spends, he hasn't paid back one dime of the money he has spent on needless democratic socialist programs. And the national debt keeps climbing, tick tock, tick tock.
Please don't insult farmers they are the caretakers of our food supply. Do you want Monsanto or some other large chemical industry taking it over? Well, that's another topic. Sorry.

If taxpayers only knew how much waste exists in public education, they would be running with pitchforks on Washington. See, that's the problem when big govt. runs things. It's easy to keep spending money that isn't yours. And now......oscumma wants to hijack health care.

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<quoted text>There has been discussion for a very long time about the dumbing down of America. Public education has become a holding tank and babysitter for too many students.

Yet, the majority of people who are outraged by it and say something are shouted down as racists. Because they are white.
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Yet, the majority of people who are outraged by it and say something are shouted down as racists. Because they are white.
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You are shouted down because you're wrong. Get it Yankbilly, yer a white trash racist. A stupid one at that.

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