females supervising male nude swimming programs in 50's, 60's 70's

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coyote

Dartmouth, Canada

#1 Feb 16, 2013
this has been an item of controversy on topics. Some males say "yea" and some say "nay". Are there any female readers from the era who could claim to have provided this requirement at schools, jr. colleges, YMCA's, universities etc. in times past. It is accepted times have changed but be nice to have some clarification of bygone practices.... I am very certain it took place in an innocent, acceptable manner whereas others deny it could have ever happened....
SLC

Arlington, VA

#2 Feb 17, 2013
coyote wrote:
this has been an item of controversy on topics. Some males say "yea" and some say "nay". Are there any female readers from the era who could claim to have provided this requirement at schools, jr. colleges, YMCA's, universities etc. in times past. It is accepted times have changed but be nice to have some clarification of bygone practices.... I am very certain it took place in an innocent, acceptable manner whereas others deny it could have ever happened....
I assume that Mr. Coyote is referring to CFNM type situations as such things probably occurred at nudist camps. IMHO, if this occurred in, say schools or similar venues, such occurrences were extremely rare. However, despite the claims of Mr. Maltamon and Mr. CalDad, I don't think one can make the assumption that it never occurred; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It certainly did not occur at my high school where, as I have described on other threads, the boys swam naked.

I could conceive of one scenario where this might occur. At a school where naked swimming for boys was De rigueur so that swim suits were unavailable, if a certified male lifeguard wasn't available due to an emergency, a certified female lifeguard might be employed as a stop gap.
coyote

Dartmouth, Canada

#3 Feb 17, 2013
rite on SLC-- not intended to draw out cfnm as fetish-- I am certain the scenario you described did happen but would like to hear from others in an informative mind vs the est rhetoric of mm etc.
MaltaMon

Reading, PA

#4 Feb 17, 2013
It wouldn't have happened. Just think about it. It's a fantasy.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#5 Feb 18, 2013
Just porno fiction you dream of, bob.
Son and nephew

West Hartford, CT

#6 Feb 18, 2013
My dad and both uncles told me in 50-60s they had swimming lessons in YMCA pool. All boys (incluing teen age) were naked. It was usual and innocent then.
CaDad

Rocklin, CA

#7 Feb 18, 2013
Fact:
Nude swimming was the norm at the YMCA for many years. You can call any one of them and they will tell you.
False: Females were allowed at the pool or in the facilities. Never happened. The rule was rigorously enforced. By the way, no real satisfactory answer has ever really been given for this ludicrous requirement.
Nude swimming at the schools:
Never happened. I grew up at that time it when this supposedly happened, I was on the swimming team and that ridiculous fantasy never happened or was even rumored about.
I suspect there were a few pools rented out to nudist's. Perhaps that is where this rumor started.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#8 Feb 18, 2013
Son and nephew wrote:
My dad and both uncles told me in 50-60s they had swimming lessons in YMCA pool. All boys (incluing teen age) were naked. It was usual and innocent then.
Yeah right, these things been going on for years and years, nothing has changed despite what your "ol' man" tells ya, naive little scumster. Nothing is innocent about it(If you happen to actually thing the beautiful God given straight heterosexual drive is somehow dirty), and girls/boys always have a sex drive. Masturbaion around age 13 is inescapable and a part of nature.
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#9 Feb 18, 2013
CaDad wrote:
Fact:
Nude swimming was the norm at the YMCA for many years. You can call any one of them and they will tell you.
False: Females were allowed at the pool or in the facilities. Never happened. The rule was rigorously enforced. By the way, no real satisfactory answer has ever really been given for this ludicrous requirement.
Nude swimming at the schools:
Never happened. I grew up at that time it when this supposedly happened, I was on the swimming team and that ridiculous fantasy never happened or was even rumored about.
I suspect there were a few pools rented out to nudist's. Perhaps that is where this rumor started.
Thanks for clearing it up.
coyote

Halifax, Canada

#10 Feb 19, 2013
silly bigtoe--- cadad's in denial !!
Largelanguage

Wrexham, UK

#11 Feb 19, 2013
coyote wrote:
silly bigtoe--- cadad's in denial !!
Shut up deranged ol' turd!
coyote

Halifax, Canada

#12 Feb 19, 2013
zat ur parrot ? kipper....
Katie Mellish

UK

#13 Feb 19, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah right, these things been going on for years and years, nothing has changed despite what your "ol' man" tells ya, naive little scumster. Nothing is innocent about it(If you happen to actually thing the beautiful God given straight heterosexual drive is somehow dirty), and girls/boys always have a sex drive. Masturbaion around age 13 is inescapable and a part of nature.
Not only can you not spell Mussolini's name right you also cannot spell masturbation-GTF W4nker and get to bed.
Lord Byron

Minneapolis, MN

#14 Feb 19, 2013
Well, I never experienced this myself, just the usual high school nude swimming in that dank and moldy mortuary, the American educational system.
But, when in college (the fall of 1973), a female room mate of a friend claimed she had spent the summer at a YMCA in (I think, if I remember correctly) Indianapolis, Indiana. She claimed all the boys and men there swam nude. Most of us thought she was exaggerating, that maybe the swimmers were skimpily attired, but she was adamant that they were thoroughly bare assed. She claimed to have been glad the summer was over because the experience over loaded her senses. As she put it to another female present, "How would you like to spend the summer staring at naked men?" And she gave us the distinct impression that she hadnít known what she was getting into when they offered her the job. All of us males had been subjected to bare butt swimming in school, but none had ever had a female teacher (I would have freaked !), so we were a bit skeptical.
Over the years, as Iíve read more and more male accounts of female coaches and life guards, Iíve begun to wonder about it. It did fit with the ethic of the day, that male modesty was irrelevant, and that females were sexually neutral, interested only in sex for reproduction, and thus could be trusted with naked males. It was about that time, mid 70s, that it began to change, in fact, as women became more overtly sexual. By now, a weekly stream of women teachers boffing under aged male students has finally knocked women off that pedestal they claimed to have loathed so much.
I know youíre looking for female posters, but I thought Iíd impart this info, anyway, just by way of informing you that Iím equally curious to know what really happened. If I could find this woman now, Iíd ask her to post something, but I canít even remember her last name. I remember her first name was Nancy, and that we were all attending Northern Illinois University in the Ď73 toí 74 academic year.
(And may I ask why youíre even bothering with this? Donít you know by now that you canít have a rational discussion on this topic? You have a whole 13 posts and half of them are from the ghastly crew of ghouls, the Troll Hall of Famers, CaDad, MaltaMon, and the rest. You need to do this at some forum where you can weed out the troll posts so you can have an actual discussion. Or do you secretly enjoy the bats in the belfry, howling at the moon, drooling into their laps cacophony of lunacy?)
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#15 Feb 20, 2013
Lord Byron wrote:
Well, I never experienced this myself, just the usual high school nude swimming in that dank and moldy mortuary, the American educational system.
But, when in college (the fall of 1973), a female room mate of a friend claimed she had spent the summer at a YMCA in (I think, if I remember correctly) Indianapolis, Indiana. She claimed all the boys and men there swam nude. Most of us thought she was exaggerating, that maybe the swimmers were skimpily attired, but she was adamant that they were thoroughly bare assed. She claimed to have been glad the summer was over because the experience over loaded her senses. As she put it to another female present, "How would you like to spend the summer staring at naked men?" And she gave us the distinct impression that she hadnít known what she was getting into when they offered her the job. All of us males had been subjected to bare butt swimming in school, but none had ever had a female teacher (I would have freaked !), so we were a bit skeptical.
Over the years, as Iíve read more and more male accounts of female coaches and life guards, Iíve begun to wonder about it. It did fit with the ethic of the day, that male modesty was irrelevant, and that females were sexually neutral, interested only in sex for reproduction, and thus could be trusted with naked males. It was about that time, mid 70s, that it began to change, in fact, as women became more overtly sexual. By now, a weekly stream of women teachers boffing under aged male students has finally knocked women off that pedestal they claimed to have loathed so much.
I know youíre looking for female posters, but I thought Iíd impart this info, anyway, just by way of informing you that Iím equally curious to know what really happened. If I could find this woman now, Iíd ask her to post something, but I canít even remember her last name. I remember her first name was Nancy, and that we were all attending Northern Illinois University in the Ď73 toí 74 academic year.
(And may I ask why youíre even bothering with this? Donít you know by now that you canít have a rational discussion on this topic? You have a whole 13 posts and half of them are from the ghastly crew of ghouls, the Troll Hall of Famers, CaDad, MaltaMon, and the rest. You need to do this at some forum where you can weed out the troll posts so you can have an actual discussion. Or do you secretly enjoy the bats in the belfry, howling at the moon, drooling into their laps cacophony of lunacy?)
Women to this day actually enforce that myth, modern day feminism. Modesty was inline with the constitution whether male of female.
coyote

Halifax, Canada

#16 Feb 20, 2013
You make sense LB .....
Katie Mellish

Leigh, UK

#17 Feb 20, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
<quoted text>
Shut up deranged ol' turd!
Here some large language for you-FCK OFF.
MaltaMon

Philadelphia, PA

#18 Feb 20, 2013
SLC wrote:
<quoted text>
I assume that Mr. Coyote is referring to CFNM type situations as such things probably occurred at nudist camps. IMHO, if this occurred in, say schools or similar venues, such occurrences were extremely rare. However, despite the claims of Mr. Maltamon and Mr. CalDad, I don't think one can make the assumption that it never occurred; absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. It certainly did not occur at my high school where, as I have described on other threads, the boys swam naked.
I could conceive of one scenario where this might occur. At a school where naked swimming for boys was De rigueur so that swim suits were unavailable, if a certified male lifeguard wasn't available due to an emergency, a certified female lifeguard might be employed as a stop gap.
By the same standard, there is no evidence that John F. Kennedy was not a pot-smoking child abuser. Does that mean he was if I insist that he was? The fact is, those who insist that public policy not only permitted but required the deployment of female instructors to teach formal swim classes which boys were required to attend completely nude, it would be a matter of public record (as opposed to a private personal matter). Therefore, all that those who make the claim need do is produce that record for the edification of those, such as I, who attended school in those days, learned to swim at the Y and in school, and know for a fact that no female of any age or position was ever permitted near naked boys at any time while inside the building. Except the school nurse, if absolutely necessary. And even when I was injured in a fight while naked in the locker room, I had to be dressed with assistance and escorted to the nurse's office to see her. She was not permitted in the locker room. And since she was in her sixties, none of us would have cared if she were. Buy out parents, the faculty, and the school board would have.. If because of the nature of his injury she had to examine a boy who was even partially undressed, it could occur only in her office. If the kid could not be moved safely from the locker room, she would be contacted in her office and instructed to call an ambulance. THAT is how it was in the 1960s in my community and my state. And this was a time when state law allowed teachers and school officials to act "in loco parentus"--to administer corporal punishment. But never to see students of the opposite sec less than fully clothed.Not ever. Not for any reason.
coyote

Dartmouth, Canada

#20 Feb 21, 2013
...your community!...your state!... reallu ? Now how do you expect the rest of the posters to know that is true?....shucks MM, your "barbed wire" community likely did not publish the policies enforced to handle you guests of the state...let's face it,doubt your kind are "shining stars" in the penal culture.... jest sayin'...
SLC

Arlington, VA

#21 Feb 21, 2013
MaltaMon wrote:
<quoted text> By the same standard, there is no evidence that John F. Kennedy was not a pot-smoking child abuser. Does that mean he was if I insist that he was? The fact is, those who insist that public policy not only permitted but required the deployment of female instructors to teach formal swim classes which boys were required to attend completely nude, it would be a matter of public record (as opposed to a private personal matter). Therefore, all that those who make the claim need do is produce that record for the edification of those, such as I, who attended school in those days, learned to swim at the Y and in school, and know for a fact that no female of any age or position was ever permitted near naked boys at any time while inside the building. Except the school nurse, if absolutely necessary. And even when I was injured in a fight while naked in the locker room, I had to be dressed with assistance and escorted to the nurse's office to see her. She was not permitted in the locker room. And since she was in her sixties, none of us would have cared if she were. Buy out parents, the faculty, and the school board would have.. If because of the nature of his injury she had to examine a boy who was even partially undressed, it could occur only in her office. If the kid could not be moved safely from the locker room, she would be contacted in her office and instructed to call an ambulance. THAT is how it was in the 1960s in my community and my state. And this was a time when state law allowed teachers and school officials to act "in loco parentus"--to administer corporal punishment. But never to see students of the opposite sec less than fully clothed.Not ever. Not for any reason.
I don't know why Mr. Maltamon keeps trying to engage in an argument with me on this topic. I entirely agree with him that it is highly unlikely that female swim instructors ever supervised naked boys at the YMCA or schools, at least in the US. I cited the only scenario I could think of in my comment, and even there, aside from everything else, back in the day there were very few certified female life guards. I cannot recall seeing a single female life guard at any beaches in the Los Angeles/Orange Co. area. The TV series Baywatch was totally unrealistic and in no way, shape, form, or regard represented the actual situation.

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