Ecuador calls departure of U.S. troops historic

Sep 18, 2009 Full story: Newswatch 50 197

QUITO, Ecuador a " The last 15 U.S. troops left Ecuador's Pacific Manta air base on Friday, officially closing the U.S. military post in what Ecuador's government calls a recovery of sovereignty.The small U.S. mission flew anti-narcotics flights meant to help catch cocaine smugglers close to the point of production.But Ecuador's leftist President ...

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su gente

Fort Walton Beach, FL

#21 Oct 20, 2009
Jack, when more gringos stand up for the USA we will be a much stronger country.

Ecuador y otro paises del mundo understand this but will never admit this. But they always love us when they need us, don't they?

You are a patriot and I'm glad to have guys like you on our team.

Su amgio y Su gente en los estados unidos
Rachel

Gainesville, VA

#22 Oct 21, 2009
Jack I am with you! The hate against our country is unlimited, but the ignorance of people who don't understand America is incredible!

I am happy and proud to be American! I don't take anti-depressants, I don't have kids out of the wedlock and I don't eat food like a pig.

However, I have seem all the above in many other countries except for the eating a lot food because they can not affor it.

I stand by America the beautiful!
juan

Toronto, Canada

#23 Oct 26, 2009
You know what i have met a lot of people who want to come to the states from many other countries but the sad true is that some of those people did not dedicate themslefs to take care of thier eduactional level also a lot opportunities are giving just like in any other places in the world .. Soo mainly people that come to north america are people that had nothing and thet come to america to scrubs toilets and just to make a leaving due to teh fact that they were too lazy to take care of thier situation ...
but does my opinion dont get me wrong you could make money in the usa but at what price not having unity with your family and just working like a machine day by day but does just my opinion .. the rest of the world excpet north america knows how to enjoy life ... in north america we have to have the brands, just plain simple materialism .. we leave in a society of pop culture .. that tells us to purchase things that we dont even need .. but we have to have it .. due to teh influence meadia has over people.. media is the voice and we as de people we are the recivers...
juan

Toronto, Canada

#24 Oct 26, 2009
rachel is not hate aginst the usa is just that certian things that teh politics in the usa are just bad for the world .. perfect example the war in iraq there was no need fo this war even thought the un did not support these war teh usa still invated iraq.. for teh only purpose of the greet and politics the are corrupted..
su gente

Fort Walton Beach, FL

#25 Oct 27, 2009
Dear Truth, ask yourself this: if you could get a visa for you and your family to move to Estados Unidos how fast would you get here? By the way, when Uruguay has a massive natural disaster who do you think will come to your aid? Chavez? Correa? The Chinese? When the islamo-fascists begin destroying your society, who will you call for help? Of course. It will be us terrible gringos. And as stupid as we are, we will be glad to help. As always. Es verdad, and you know it.

Ps, how many people are lining up at your border as they are here on our southern border to leave Mexico, Honduras and other latin countries in order to give their children a chance at a better life. And we'd welcome you too. Hasta la vista my Truth amigo.
Rachel

Gainesville, VA

#26 Oct 27, 2009
Juan
I understand your point about many people coming to America and they just do the lowest jobs,like you said acrubing toilets. It is truth, but the difference is that they have opportunities here to study, learn a career and move ahead, Opportunities that they don't have on their own countries. I have seen people coming to this country to make money and they have no clue what American is all about. They don't even care to learn the language. You can not blame America for people who deep inside hate America and don't want to progress or be part of this world. America has opportunities for everyone who wants to get ahead. America is not about Jerry Springer show. America has history, family values, traditions.
As su gente said when something goes wrong in the world. America is the first to help. America is not about Iraq only. America is powerful and helps other people. Remember WWII? America stoped the war.
I was born in Italy. I came to school in USA and I am a TV producer. I don't work like machine. I have many activities in my life including to help people to get ahead. I am not materialistic.
I care for the rest of the world, but America is my land of freedom.
DownSouth

United States

#27 Nov 6, 2009
I think Juan had it right. Yes we have very good health care but the "system" is very poor. Cost are out of control for many reasons,greed is one, lawsuits for malpractice are very high making insurance for doctors expensive, Insurance company charge an arm and leg for coverage, then don't want to pay for the procedures. I could go on and on about this. The reasons most people don't like Americans is because of our foreign policies, which the average American has no say so in making. Many Americans are tired of the way our government treats us and other countries. Everytime they need to bail themselves out of their irresponsible spending they just raise taxes to pay for the loan they get from other countries. I think we pay way to much taxes. You pay the state and feds when you make the money, spend the money, save the money, buy a house and you'll kept paying for that every year. I mean it's unreal if you set down and add up all the taxes you pay to make money,its about 45% if your honset with your self. Our public education system is way down the list, I think around 47th the last I seen. Our standard of livig has been dropping since the 50's and will go down further. We need to pull back and take care of our own first, the rest of the world was fine before we became a "super power" and I'm sure most of them would like to be left alone. Greed has gotten us into the mess we are in now and who knows what's going to get us out.If we ran our household the way they ran our country we would all be bankrupt. Before I am accused of being anti-american let me said I love my country and support the young people in our military but I am tired of seeing it ran into the ground to satisfy the greed of the upper 10% of the country.
Ray

Bear, DE

#28 Nov 8, 2009
I have lived in the US and Ecuador, and would like to suggest a little clarity. It is sad the US is leaving a previously collaborative effort in Ecuador. But our absense does not mean Ecuador is any more sovereign now than before. It's presence was an effort to combat the drug cartels of Columbia, which have a death grip on that country and the region as well, since the cocoa growers of Bolivia have to get their product to COlumbia somehow (and not by plane or train) Do you see the love affair growing for Morales and Correa?
History will prove the influence of the narcotic/drug industries of this century is more devastating than any coup/civil war. The Narcotrafficing armies of Mexico are just a taste. After the industrial revolution (that put capital in the hands of the masses) we will see the illegal drug revolution (that put drugs in the hands of the masses) is going to be the hallmark of the Western hemisphere.
If you want more peace in our streets and the streets of the world, the (illegal) drug industry is the core of the problem and kicking out a few soldiers may not seem like a big deal, as the impact of 100 or so soldiers is a drop in this war, but you'll wish we had every one of them when your family will be touched by an addiction that could have been prevented ...and if not your family...your friends, your community (who pays millions of dollars to thugs getting emergency hospital services at the state's expense), or the next 7 year year old shot in a drive by shooting over a turf war.
PS Dear room, please get past "gringo" language, it is offensive and demeaning, no other group was being put down on this website, provided by the opportunities your neighbors for the North have given you to express your speech freely and without insult.
Jack

Avondale, AZ

#29 Nov 8, 2009
Very interesting point of view Ray. However, the term Gringo is a common term for a person (usually white or of European descent) from the US, or North America and in my experience has never flipped in a derogatory manner. I don't find it offensive in the least and you are the very first person I have ever heard of taking it to be an offensive or demeaning term. Though now that I think about it, I do take offense at feeling inclined to get off the topic to address this matter.
Ray

Bear, DE

#30 Nov 8, 2009
FYI,
the term gringo came from a derogatory reference to the US Army in Puerto Rico at the turn of the century (Green Go...home) It was not a polite phrase, it was the F-U of its day and yes it has been picked up and used less offennsively But if we were being addressed with respect they would say US citizen. It is not used to talk about Europeans but US citizens.
Is does not hold the sting of the "N" - word, but having lived in Bolivia, Peru, El Salvador, Mexico, and Ecuador, I beg to differ from your experience that it is never used in derogatory ways. I imagine you will take offense as well that I pointed out your error, but at some point we all learn that the world is bigger than our experience which brings us back to the issue at hand. Corea has begun some isolationist policies that will not serve his people, and that is the real shame.
Rachel

Gainesville, VA

#31 Nov 9, 2009
DownSouth, I don't agree with the way the government spend money either. We are almost in the board on bankrupt. Unemployement is going up and our hopes for getting better are going down.
I also love America and I support our military, but righ now we need to do something to end that war in Abghanistan. I think Obama should send help before are troops are masacred over there. There is a lot I could say about spending so much money for nothing, but that is another subject.

Ray, you were doing great on your comment about military helping to control the narco traffic around the world. You don't need to be sensitive about the word gringo. It is not a big deal. I am Italian/British and latino people call me gringa. I don't mind it at all.

Through history the most powerful countries in the world were always hate by the rest of the world. Why should it be different now?

Let's be proud to be Americans. America with all its inperfections, high prices on health insurance and high taxes is still the greatest country in the world.
Ray

Bear, DE

#32 Nov 9, 2009
Rachel wrote:
DownSouth,
Ray, you were doing great on your comment about military helping to control the narco traffic around the world. You don't need to be sensitive about the word gringo. It is not a big deal. I am Italian/British and latino people call me gringa. I don't mind it at all.
Through history the most powerful countries in the world were always hate by the rest of the world. Why should it be different now?
Let's be proud to be Americans. America with all its inperfections, high prices on health insurance and high taxes is still the greatest country in the world.
Dear Rachel,
If you don't care, fine for you... I am sharing that whether you are aware or not, it is often a derogatory word and I have respectfully asked for it to be avoided. sensitivity to others' pain is called compassion, which I have for the people of Ecuador who are the losers here
Jack

Avondale, AZ

#33 Nov 9, 2009
Sorry Ray, Though I rarely use this phraseology but i think yo are wrong. Especially given the etymology of the word - see below. Many words can be disparaging depending on the context of its use and or the tone of voice. But I do agree, that the current politcal direction is not in the best interests of the majority of Ecuadorians. I wish for them only the best of luck.

Main Entry: grin·go
Pronunciation:\ˈgri ŋ-(ˌ)g&# 333;\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural gringos
Etymology: Spanish, alteration of griego Greek, stranger, from Latin Graecus Greek
Date: 1849
A foreigner in Spain or Latin America especially when of English or American origin; broadly : a non-Hispanic person
Rachel

Gainesville, VA

#34 Nov 9, 2009
Dear Ray. I understand your feelings about a derogatory word like gringo. Nut by the other hand. Do you think the people from the south would like to be called yanky? However in England and other europeans country they call us all american yankies regardin if we are from the north or south. No one seems to be sensitive about that word.

I think it will be hard to stop all the derogatory words to us Americans.

The best thing is to feel proud of who we are and who cares what anyone else out of this country call us. That is my opinion.

I feel very bad for people in Ecuador. They have been extremely nice to me. I don't remember anyone of my friends in Ecuador using any derogatory terms towards me.
Rachel

Gainesville, VA

#35 Nov 9, 2009
I apologize for all my typos. I was writing very fast! I am at work!
su gente

Fort Walton Beach, FL

#36 Nov 9, 2009
Dear Gang, this has been one of the BEST running 'dialogues' I have seen on the computer. I, too, never found any offense at the word "gringo" but my Latino/a friends have often remarked that they were surprised that I never found it offensive. Ray, I use the word 'gringo' like I use the word 'yankee'. Not a problem for me, but if it's a problemo for you then I will stop using it in this dialogue. There are a LOT more important things to discuss. Like, the recent electricity rationing in Ecuador. Have you amigos y amigas read about this yet? Makes a poor country even more difficult. But, still, I can't wait to get back there. Su amigo, Su Gente now living in Florida
Ray

Bear, DE

#37 Nov 9, 2009
I have defended this polite request too long and with the uninformed dismissals, I will leave. It may be your experience that the word is inocuous, and I have said at times it is, but given that it is not always so, I made the request. Su Gente, thank you for your sensitivity. and Jack I have worked with Puerto Ricans for 15 years and learned firsthand how this word evolved, which I trust more than a wall street or computer definition.
God bless Ecuador and the United States.
Jack

Avondale, AZ

#38 Nov 9, 2009
First I've heard of the electricity rationing. That does not bode well for Ecuador. Regardless and like Su Gente, I look forward to returning, especially the Manabi area. I'm quite interested to see how the "Gringolandia" part of Manta airport evolves. Best wishes to all.
Rachel

Gainesville, VA

#39 Nov 10, 2009
I am sorry to hear about the electricity rationing in Ecuador, Some hospitals and labs don't have generators. They are posponing surgeries. Incredible!
Jack,I feel like the ex-american part of Manta will go back to its originally state. It seems to me like Panama history has been repeated.
For me is so hard to understand the stupid mentality of some latino governments. Americans bring progress and technology whenever they go.
But, they are so hang up in the hate and the anti american propaganda.
Who pays for the gorvernment's stupidity is the people.
Su gente, mi amigo. I also will go back to Ecuador to visit.
su gente

Fort Walton Beach, FL

#40 Nov 10, 2009
Ray, don't be a stranger and check back once in a while. Jack and Rachel, check out this info on the electricity problem. My girlfriend (in Manta) says they were without electric for about 5 hours yesterday and expect this situtation to continue until mid-January. She says it is like living in Ecuador 20 years ago. I'll have to ask her about the electricity for the street lights at night because this would be very bad for la gente de Ecuador. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8347954.s...

Rachel, I hope to meet you in Manta one day.
Jack, I've been wondering about the airfields as well since I worked there in 02. Did you work there as well? I was ESH guy.

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