No U.S. action on deaths in Ecuador reflects open season on Americans abroad

May 15, 2010 Full story: The Oregonian 7

In the six months since their 22-year-old son, Max, was murdered in Ecuador, John Chamberlin and Ellen Madnick have slowly come to understand just how much of their pain and outrage is shared by the Obama administration and the State Department.

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Su Gente

United States

#1 May 18, 2010
While I feel the loss of this American family I can only ask this question: what about the thousands of Americans who are murdered every year in our OWN country??? Any American who travels in some of these beautiful but dangerous countries should know the risk they are taking. And they can absolutely forget appealing to the local policia for help. I lived in Manta for one year and I loved that year. Do not condemn all Ecuadorans for this crime. Like America, there are plenty of desperate criminals everywhere. And a government cannot protect every citizen every where all around the world. Personal responsibility has an awful lot to do with it. And every Gringo should know to check all State Department Travel Advisories, they should know a LOT about local culture, they should avoid being "the Ugly American", etc. Personally, I cannot wait to go back to Ecuador, but I will be careful. Just as I am here en la Tierra de los Gringos.-Su Gente

Since: Jan 10

Guayaquil, Ecuador

#2 May 18, 2010
I can appreciate John & Ellens' feelings and comments, but I noticed several things in this article:

1. The french would do an investigation, but Correa does not like the American government. And the police here are corrupt and could care less about doing ANY investigations or completing one for that matter!

2. The State department, FBI, or whomever can only investigate a crime in another country 'if invited'. The police here would certainly not agree to that in anyway.

3. You don't drive ANYWHERE at midnight to met anyone ALONE, even if a friend calls!
Su Gente

United States

#3 May 19, 2010
dear latino_gringo, i agree about never driving at night! one night i HAD to take someone from Manta to Guayaquil at night and that was a real adventure! luckily nothing happened but i would never recommend it. do you live in guayaquil? i hope to get back to manta muy muy pronto. cheers, su gente
latino_gringo wrote:
I can appreciate John & Ellens' feelings and comments, but I noticed several things in this article:
1. The french would do an investigation, but Correa does not like the American government. And the police here are corrupt and could care less about doing ANY investigations or completing one for that matter!
2. The State department, FBI, or whomever can only investigate a crime in another country 'if invited'. The police here would certainly not agree to that in anyway.
3. You don't drive ANYWHERE at midnight to met anyone ALONE, even if a friend calls!
Los Angeles Ecuadorian

Los Angeles, CA

#4 May 23, 2010
Unfortunately, modern CSI type work is not going to happen in poor countries like Ecuador. It's a dog eat dog world. If I had $20,000 to spend, I'd send my own private investigators to build a murder case. The culture in Ecuador requires PALANCAS or levers to get things done. It's who you know and how much they require to get something done for you. Anything from an immigration document to a police investigation. I will follow this case and forward it to my family in Quito to publicize it. My condolences.
ikyb

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Feb 27, 2011
Costenos kill for money drugs, delinquency is the daily thing now in the Coast at Ecuador

Since: Jan 10

Guayaquil, Ecuador

#6 Feb 28, 2011
Su Gente wrote:
dear latino_gringo, i agree about never driving at night! one night i HAD to take someone from Manta to Guayaquil at night and that was a real adventure! luckily nothing happened but i would never recommend it. do you live in guayaquil? i hope to get back to manta muy muy pronto. cheers, su gente
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I lived in Guayaquil for two years, and in one of the better upscale areas. I now live in the country, 20 km of so out of Guayaquil.

When you were in Manta, did you happen to go to Canoa? if you go, please go to the Cafe Flor. The owners are good people and the food is WONDERFUL!!!!

Since: Jan 10

Guayaquil, Ecuador

#7 Feb 28, 2011
Su Gente wrote:
dear latino_gringo, i agree about never driving at night! one night i HAD to take someone from Manta to Guayaquil at night and that was a real adventure! luckily nothing happened but i would never recommend it. do you live in guayaquil? i hope to get back to manta muy muy pronto. cheers, su gente
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I lived in Guayaquil for two years. I now live 20 km or so out of the city in the country now. If you go to Manta again, make a trip to Canoa. They now have a new bridge to Canoe than going by ferry.(I would take the ferry myself). If you go to Canoa, stop in the Cafe Flor. The owners are great people, speak some english, as their daughter teaches english to the locals. Also try the food. The food is WONDERFUL!

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