Ecuador heads for socialist reform of...

Ecuador heads for socialist reform of constitution

There are 61 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Apr 15, 2007, titled Ecuador heads for socialist reform of constitution. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa celebrates after getting knowledge of the possitive result of the referendum to launch a broad constitutional reform.

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“Don Gist”

Since: Apr 07

Pembroke Pines

#41 Jun 4, 2007
Vangelist- Michelle may have been off a bit on the dates, but you omit a lot of detail on JMVI on whom I did a study during his last term; He never finished a term. He was invariably ousted by the military 5 times in a row for the sake of internal peace. He was the consumate idealist and socialist who unfortunately surrounded himself with incompetents and thieves, and never carried out any of his projects. Not so much of a statesman as an orator, he was responsible for the phrase, "give me a place to talk, and I'll become president. Talk was all he ever achieved, unfortunately.

BTW, when you make statements like "...is like calling Bush..." you impress me as an arrogant dogmatic mudslinger, not an intellectual, not even very smart. You do a lot of criticizing, considering.
Michelle

Boca Raton, FL

#42 Jun 5, 2007
Thank you Don. I meant Velasco Ibarra oversaw the "Reforma Agraria" in 1964, not that it was his term. The loonie wants me to write book for him, and then try and poke silly holes in it.

Yes, his arrogance is ridiculous. Isn't that always the case?

Anyway I've read him on other forums and he also happens to love Chavez. I envision him like a gargoyle working for "The Beast". Chavez, that is.
Michelle

Boca Raton, FL

#43 Jun 5, 2007
Also Don, do you know of any Ecuadorian president who was conservative (business friendly), by American standards. From what I seen they have all been socialist to one degree or another. I know Cordero was portrayed as trying to fight terrorism. I'm not sure how business friendly he was. Any thoughts?
Michelle

Boca Raton, FL

#44 Jun 5, 2007
Claudia Gist wrote:
The “excellent” medical services in Cuba are a myth and so is the “excellence” of anything else in Cuba under Castro. New refugees in Florida, who make a living by cleaning buildings or mowing lawns, save all the money they can to send aspirins and basic medicines to their relatives in Cuba. Many Cubans in Cuba are surviving thanks to the charity of their relatives who have been able to escape. A Cuban doctor, Dr. Hilda Molina, explains how the health system in Cuba is used to serve political purposes only, that health statistics are politically controlled, that health “data”(lies) are provided for propaganda purposes… http://www.elcato.org/node/1570
Wow! Thanks for the link. I've heard these stories many times, and it never ceases to amaze me. Many prayers for Cubans and Venezuelans.
Thomas H Higgason

Little Rock, AR

#45 Jun 5, 2007
So if Socialism is so good, and 76% of the Ecuadorian people want it, then I suppose they will stop going to the United States or Spain illegally to seek better lives. I have many Ecuadorian in-laws in the U.S. and Spain who left because of the perpetual terrible economic conditions created in Eduador by 200 years of greedy dictators and crooked politicians. Of course, leftists want to blame the United States for all the problems, but then they want to come here to live. Go figure. I love Ecuador, but the people must stop listening to so-called populists who promise them everything, but then steal almost everything.
Michelle

Boca Raton, FL

#46 Jun 5, 2007
Thomas H Higgason wrote:
So if Socialism is so good, and 76% of the Ecuadorian people want it, then I suppose they will stop going to the United States or Spain illegally to seek better lives. I have many Ecuadorian in-laws in the U.S. and Spain who left because of the perpetual terrible economic conditions created in Eduador by 200 years of greedy dictators and crooked politicians. Of course, leftists want to blame the United States for all the problems, but then they want to come here to live. Go figure. I love Ecuador, but the people must stop listening to so-called populists who promise them everything, but then steal almost everything.
Well said, except up to now, Ecuador hasn't had a full fledged didctator. Just a bunch of corrupt Socialists who take their money and run. Perhaps that is why they can't see Correa coming. They have always seemed to play with fire, and have been blessed not to get really burned. Correa is different, but maybe this is what it takes for some people to learn not to play with fire. That's my only hope.

Thomas H Higgason

Little Rock, AR

#47 Jun 5, 2007
Velasco Ibarra was elected president five times, but he only completed one term of office. I was there during his last term when he voluntarily abdicated and turned the country over to the military because he feared that another flaming socialist, Bucaram would be elected. During a later visit, old Velasco was at it again for a 6th try, but died. "Give me a balcony, and the country is mine." A true populist and liar who promised everything to the ignorant and illiterate. Mandatory voting for illiterates maybe isn't such a good idea.
Michelle

Boca Raton, FL

#48 Jun 5, 2007
Thomas H Higgason wrote:
Velasco Ibarra was elected president five times, but he only completed one term of office. I was there during his last term when he voluntarily abdicated and turned the country over to the military because he feared that another flaming socialist, Bucaram would be elected. During a later visit, old Velasco was at it again for a 6th try, but died. "Give me a balcony, and the country is mine." A true populist and liar who promised everything to the ignorant and illiterate. Mandatory voting for illiterates maybe isn't such a good idea.
Thanks for the clarification. The original post was in response to someone who blamed Ecuador's problems on the "capitalist pigs" who governed Ecuador previously. The only problem is that there have NEVER been any business friendly conservative presidents that I know of. Do you know any? I could be wrong. From what I've seen, they have all been socialists to one degree or another. The more reform they promised, they more they've stolen.
Thomas H Higgason

Little Rock, AR

#49 Jun 5, 2007
I was also in Ecuador when Bucaram's nephew, El Loco, was elected president. I saw some of his campaign rallies in my sister-in-law's neighborhood where I was living. He promised everything, got elected, provided nothing, and fled the country within a year allegedly carrying suitcases full of money while trying to flee across the border to Colombia.
Kevin

Santa Ana, CA

#50 Jun 5, 2007
"Of course, it is possible that the “fools” whose “pearls of wisdom” we are seeing here are not really fools but people working for Chávez-Islamic terrorist networks."

Claudia, I've seen some hysterical comments of yours in the past, but here, your delusional paranoia has finally taken the cake. Apparently your ideas are based on the fear-mongering Bush machine media campaign of '01-'04. Talk about feeding lies to fools! Jeeeezzz...Is that a Fox News or CNN sponge you've been washing your brain with?
Michelle

Boca Raton, FL

#51 Jun 5, 2007
You obviously haven't been reading much, or been around the Commie's block enough, to know that what Claudia mentions is exactly how they operate.

Please explain how is it that you are so wound up about Bush, meanwhile there real radical dictators who are promising to destroy us, and it means nothing to you.

I respect everyone's personal choices, I just really don't understand the inconsistencies of some of these Bush haters.

I can understand not liking Bush. But some people are just completely crazy with hate for him, yet they rationalize Chavez' tyranny. Who understands?
Kevin

Santa Ana, CA

#52 Jun 5, 2007
Michelle wrote:
You obviously haven't been reading much, or been around the Commie's block enough, to know that what Claudia mentions is exactly how they operate.
Please explain how is it that you are so wound up about Bush, meanwhile there real radical dictators who are promising to destroy us, and it means nothing to you.
I respect everyone's personal choices, I just really don't understand the inconsistencies of some of these Bush haters.
I can understand not liking Bush. But some people are just completely crazy with hate for him, yet they rationalize Chavez' tyranny. Who understands?
Because Bush added a ton of fuel to the fire, causing not only crazy dictators, but now the rest of the world, to hate us more. It means a lot to me - we are less safe because of him.
Vangelist

Walnut Creek, CA

#53 Jun 5, 2007
Don Gist wrote:
Vangelist- Michelle may have been off a bit on the dates, but you omit a lot of detail on JMVI on whom I did a study during his last term; He never finished a term. He was invariably ousted by the military 5 times in a row for the sake of internal peace. He was the consumate idealist and socialist who unfortunately surrounded himself with incompetents and thieves, and never carried out any of his projects. Not so much of a statesman as an orator, he was responsible for the phrase, "give me a place to talk, and I'll become president. Talk was all he ever achieved, unfortunately./QUOTE]
Dr. Valasco was President in the COLD WAR ERA... Military coup d'état were the flavor of the day in Latin America. The CIA and 'The School of the Americas' have much to do with the failings in his goverment.

You are right Dr. Velasco was a good orator... above all he was an ethical man. However, he did finish a term... Your study is lacking.

[QUOTE who="Don Gist"]
BTW, when you make statements like "...is like calling Bush..." you impress me as an arrogant dogmatic mudslinger, not an intellectual, not even very smart. You do a lot of criticizing, considering.
"To call Gutierrez a SOCIALIST... is like calling Bush!t an Academic...LOL"

YOU GET MY ANALOGY...Good... everything else is just your commentary.
Vangelist

Walnut Creek, CA

#54 Jun 5, 2007
Dr. Valasco was President in the COLD WAR ERA... Military coup d'état were the flavor of the day in Latin America. The CIA and 'The School of the Americas' have much to do with the failings in his goverment.

You are right Dr. Velasco was a good orator... above all he was an ethical man. However, he did finish a term... Your study is lacking.
Vangelist

Walnut Creek, CA

#55 Jun 5, 2007
Michelle wrote:
Thank you Don. I meant Velasco Ibarra oversaw the "Reforma Agraria" in 1964, not that it was his term. The loonie wants me to write book for him, and then try and poke silly holes in it.
Exactly how does a civilian living in Buenos Aires... OVERSEE the "Reforma Agraria" headed by a MILITARY JUNTA which just OUSTED him from the Presidency and the country?

You just MAKE IT UP as you go... PLEASE DON'T WRITE A BOOK !
Michelle wrote:
Yes, his arrogance is ridiculous. Isn't that always the case?
Anyway I've read him on other forums and he also happens to love Chavez. I envision him like a gargoyle working for "The Beast". Chavez, that is.
I have NO time to post on subjects other than Ecuador and the good work Correa's government is doing... So you are MISTAKEN when you say I 'love Chavez'. I hold to the thesis that Ecuador is a sovereign contry and can have trade and diplomatic relations with ANY country in the world.

As long as what I write is TRUTHFUL... I can live with YOUR OPINION of arrogance

Observandum

“Amicus humani generis ”

Since: Apr 07

planet Earth

#56 Jun 6, 2007
Vangelist wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly how does a civilian living in Buenos Aires... OVERSEE the "Reforma Agraria" headed by a MILITARY JUNTA which just OUSTED him from the Presidency and the country?
You just MAKE IT UP as you go... PLEASE DON'T WRITE A BOOK !
<quoted text>
I have NO time to post on subjects other than Ecuador and the good work Correa's government is doing... So you are MISTAKEN when you say I 'love Chavez'. I hold to the thesis that Ecuador is a sovereign contry and can have trade and diplomatic relations with ANY country in the world.
As long as what I write is TRUTHFUL... I can live with YOUR OPINION of arrogance
Vangelist, don't bother responding to Michelle, as she's clearly insane and thinks she knows it all. I'm sure if she submitted herself to a mental health check-up, a doctor would diagnose her with 'delusions of grandeur'.
Michelle

Boca Raton, FL

#57 Jun 6, 2007
I think you're projecting your own dellusions on to me. Heil Hitler!
Claudia Gist

Hollywood, FL

#58 Jul 13, 2007
Gutierrez is a leftist, an admirer of Chávez, possibly paid by Chávez, who paved the way for Correa, who is destroying Ecuador. Through lies, manipulation and intimidation, Correa is implementing Castro's and Chávez's plan to impose the "socialismo del siglo XXI" (marxism) in Ecuador. Ecuadorians will then be serving Castro, Chávez and the terrorists allied to Chávez, whose main objective is to do as much harm as possible to the United States.
Claudia Gist

Hollywood, FL

#60 Jul 13, 2007
Kevin, you don't know about the ties between Chávez and Islamic terrorist? Are you living in the moon?

Iran's president Mahmud Ahmadinejad and Chávez have signed cooperation agreements and have visited each another again and again. They call each other brothers!

Ahmadinejad attended Correa’s inauguration. Ahmadinejad and Chávez are united in their hate against the United States and their main goal (besides accumulating as much power as possible) seems to be to harm the United States.
Interesting

Boca Raton, FL

#61 Jul 18, 2007
Vangelist wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly how does a civilian living in Buenos Aires... OVERSEE the "Reforma Agraria" headed by a MILITARY JUNTA which just OUSTED him from the Presidency and the country?
You just MAKE IT UP as you go... PLEASE DON'T WRITE A BOOK !
<quoted text>
I have NO time to post on subjects other than Ecuador and the good work Correa's government is doing... So you are MISTAKEN when you say I 'love Chavez'. I hold to the thesis that Ecuador is a sovereign contry and can have trade and diplomatic relations with ANY country in the world.
As long as what I write is TRUTHFUL... I can live with YOUR OPINION of arrogance
The same way Gutierez paved the way for Chavez and Correa.

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