New hope for people addicted to opioids

How does a doctor wean a patient from a legally prescribed painkiller that has brought on an addiction? Doctors are trying to answer that question through a new type of addictive substance.

[MAMA org]

"Those who have a history of substance abuse are more prone to becoming addicted to another substance, Hilliard said."
Which is exactly what is happening in these Methadone clinics since this drug is highly addictive itself. Yet, society has accepted this practice to the point it is out of control. Methadone is currently the #1 killer of a prescription narcotic in this country. Clinics are opening in every community they can. They are not producung drug free patrons but only substituting one drug for another and call it therapy. Pro-Methadone Advocates will say and do anything to keep their new drug of choice an active part of this so called therapy even fabricating stories of greatness to sell the acceptance of this drug. While it is killing thousands of victims yearly others claim it is saving lives. It is only replacing one drug for another and that is making many addicts happy as they are not forced to ever become drug free, legally. Methadone is not the answer to battling addiction just another lethal drug that is invading the streets for diversion and more deaths.

Mothers Against Medical Abuse. Org
Help Stop Ex, Methadone Deaths and Abuse

[THE WATCHER]

If I'm not mistaken Oxy IR and percocet are snythetic drugs.not actually make from the opium poppy but share the same qualities

[THE WATCHER]

also Methodone was invented by Nazi scientist as there was fear among Hitlers boys that they were gonna lose access to the poppy fields in the midile east....as quite a few of Hitlers boys were addicted to herion and cocaine

[See Chel Post]

Nope, you're not mistaken

[NancyB]

Heroin and painkiller addiction help.
The naabt.org Patient/Physician Matching System has connected over 11,210 patients with at least one of 1,990 participating buprenorphine-prescribing physicians since 9/06.
The naabtList.org free online service lets patients reach out for help 24/7 with complete privacy.
Buprenorphine (brandname Suboxone) is a medication, combined with psychosocial therapy, which treats the medical condition of opioid addiction in the privacy of a physician’s office. FDA approved in 2002, this treatment has improved quality of life for patients and provided dignity to opiate addiction treatment.

More information: naabt.org

[t miller]

THE WATCHER wrote:

If I'm not mistaken Oxy IR and percocet are snythetic drugs.not actually make from the opium poppy but share the same qualities

I believe they are semi-synthetic drugs either way OxyContin molecularly is very similar to heroin. For more information: http://www.stoprxdrugabuse.org/html/opiates.h...

[t miller]

I would definitely call it a miracle drug. My son has been clean 8 months...we all have been very diligent with his recovery program. Suboxone allows the addicts to focus on recovering without the physical distraction of their body craving the drug and telling them to "get high." It is very tempting for an addict not to take the drug then get high. I recommend administering the drug daily to help ensure success. The addict still needs professional help or working in a step program to learn how to make good, rational decisions...learn how to avoid using drugs again. www.stopRxdrugabuse.org

[Elizabeth A Thorpe]

I have a duahgter who is addicted to prescription drugs like these and I have not heard from her in 6 weeks, I have hope now for her because she is out on the streets and I have been praying earnestly for her recovery.

[Brian]

NancyB wrote:

Heroin and painkiller addiction help.
The naabt.org Patient/Physician Matching System has connected over 11,210 patients with at least one of 1,990 participating buprenorphine-prescribing physicians since 9/06.
The naabtList.org free online service lets patients reach out for help 24/7 with complete privacy.
Buprenorphine (brandname Suboxone) is a medication, combined with psychosocial therapy, which treats the medical condition of opioid addiction in the privacy of a physician’s office. FDA approved in 2002, this treatment has improved quality of life for patients and provided dignity to opiate addiction treatment.
More information: naabt.org

Nancy : You are correct, Suboxone, Subutex, Bupernex is better then all the other crap, Oxies , Roxies, Methodone etc. The problem is that Bupernex & Sub is also VERY addicting and to get off of it is harder then all the other Drugs... The Doctors want your money every month,,, Sub, Bupernex is not to be used for long term.. I suffered really bad as may other but not all others have. I was taking 15 30 mil Roxies for over a year. I watited 26 hrs , did not feel good then I took a 8 mil Suboxone and the W/d started to kick in Bad : I could not sleep or eat for 5 days... and when you are on your knees in front or the toliet throwing up Bile ( sorry to gross you out ) You then realise nothing is worth that. In 1 month I am down to 1 mil of Sub...No comes the hard part, I am thinking I can go to every other day for a week or 2 and then get to 1 every 3 days all the way to I get to once a week. I think thois is the onlly way... Trust me Bup, Sub is differant than other stuff, you W/d start getting bad on your 2nd & 3rd day : Insomnia is the worst part...Good luck to all that want to get free, no mater what you do there is a price to pay but doing NOTHING and to just keep taking anything other the Bup or Sub is just not smart. If you get in trouble & have to detox in Jail Good luck, or if you are like me and need surgery and you are taking pain meds... You will suffer in the hospital with your high tolerance to pain meds... not good

[Dan]

Suboxone is also very good, because if someone were to relapse, and are taking Suboxone the pill blocks the serotonin reuptake in the brain, therefore it blocks the effects of the drugs, so you get nothing out of them.

[Dean 1]

If they would legalize pot for pharmaceutical use this stuff wouldn't be happening in the first place. Imagine the money that would be saved as well.

[Brian]

Dan wrote:

Suboxone is also very good, because if someone were to relapse, and are taking Suboxone the pill blocks the serotonin reuptake in the brain, therefore it blocks the effects of the drugs, so you get nothing out of them.

Dan, Not 100% true : When you are on Bup, or Sub your receptors are clean. I was on Bupernex for years, burnt my foot and was given a shot of Morphine, I then remembered why pepole become Junkies : Once you are on Sub / Bup just never go back

[Dogfart]

Brian wrote:

<quoted text>Nancy : You are correct, Suboxone, Subutex, Bupernex is better then all the other crap, Oxies , Roxies, Methodone etc. The problem is that Bupernex & Sub is also VERY addicting and to get off of it is harder then all the other Drugs... The Doctors want your money every month,,, Sub, Bupernex is not to be used for long term.. I suffered really bad as may other but not all others have. I was taking 15 30 mil Roxies for over a year. I watited 26 hrs , did not feel good then I took a 8 mil Suboxone and the W/d started to kick in Bad : I could not sleep or eat for 5 days... and when you are on your knees in front or the toliet throwing up Bile ( sorry to gross you out ) You then realise nothing is worth that. In 1 month I am down to 1 mil of Sub...No comes the hard part, I am thinking I can go to every other day for a week or 2 and then get to 1 every 3 days all the way to I get to once a week. I think thois is the onlly way... Trust me Bup, Sub is differant than other stuff, you W/d start getting bad on your 2nd & 3rd day : Insomnia is the worst part...Good luck to all that want to get free, no mater what you do there is a price to pay but doing NOTHING and to just keep taking anything other the Bup or Sub is just not smart. If you get in trouble & have to detox in Jail Good luck, or if you are like me and need surgery and you are taking pain meds... You will suffer in the hospital with your high tolerance to pain meds... not good

Brian is also an EXCEPTION as the MAJORITY do not suffer; the MAJORITY use Suboxone and Subutex SUCESSFULLY without any problems.

Brian, I appreciate the difficulty you had with your treatment but you one bad apple does not spoil the bunch. Sorry.

[Brian]

Dogfart wrote:

<quoted text>
Brian is also an EXCEPTION as the MAJORITY do not suffer; the MAJORITY use Suboxone and Subutex SUCESSFULLY without any problems.
Brian, I appreciate the difficulty you had with your treatment but you one bad apple does not spoil the bunch. Sorry.

I wish I was the only bad apple : Do you not read all the postings that say they went into W/D ? Most pepole do not. Once again read the material from the the manufactor, rickett coleman.It can happen, not just to a Bad apple who is a PROponent of Subutex, Suboxone but not Bupernex injectable which some states like NY have banned, Did you know that Dogfart ?

[JaDiuM]

if you have a doctor that knows what the hell he or she's doing, or have a brain yourself, you'll WAIT until extreme WDs before you take the 1st dose of buprenorphine. it's clearly stated that you will aggravate WDs by taking your 1st dose too early into the sickness

also, as far as the blocking capabilities of bupe, i've found that doing about 5 times your normal dose of whatever drug it was you're hooked on will break through the bupe, getting you wonderfully high. then it's just a matter of taking bupe the next day when you wake up feeling rough to make you feel just fine again

[Dogfart]

Brian wrote:

<quoted text>I wish I was the only bad apple : Do you not read all the postings that say they went into W/D ? Most pepole do not. Once again read the material from the the manufactor, rickett coleman.It can happen, not just to a Bad apple who is a PROponent of Subutex, Suboxone but not Bupernex injectable which some states like NY have banned, Did you know that Dogfart ?

Did I know what?

[Smoke and Sunshine]

Once an addict, always an addict.

[Carol1]

the only thing I was ever addicted to was cigarettes, until I came to Topix.
Well also fatty foods.

Smoke and Sunshine wrote:

Once an addict, always an addict.

[terry]

you said you started to withdraw after taking the subon. But you couldnt have that bad . Thas what the meds are for. They are narcotics to. With both agonist and aniantogonist features. So using it should have releved withdraw symtoms. So you were pysyclogicaly withdrawing.

[Paulie]

terry wrote:

you said you started to withdraw after taking the subon. But you couldnt have that bad . Thas what the meds are for. They are narcotics to. With both agonist and aniantogonist features. So using it should have releved withdraw symtoms. So you were pysyclogicaly withdrawing.

Not true-read the instructons for takng the drug. You must be in mild wd or it will put you in severe immediate wd. Everyone that deals w Suboxone knows that.