how long do i have to wait till i can take suboxone?

[bad addict]

I smoke a 8 ball a day of some good shit and I waited 17 hours before I took 1 8mg sub It took me to hell and back!!! Since I have cut down to about a gram a day. How long sould I wait until I take the sub? Sould I take 1 or 2 I've been doing H for 8 years

[Strandedinfl]

bad addict wrote:

I smoke a 8 ball a day of some good shit and I waited 17 hours before I took 1 8mg sub It took me to hell and back!!! Since I have cut down to about a gram a day. How long sould I wait until I take the sub? Sould I take 1 or 2 I've been doing H for 8 years

Never start out with 8mg for one. The reason for this is because you run the risk of it becoming a full antagonist. Subs make the mu receptor fire much slower than what opie's do like heroin.

With heroin being as fast acting it is they say 8 hours is minimum but what you need to do is start out with 4mg very very slow and ease into it. You're not going to feel much better but it's the start you need to continue your induction. After you have taken the 4mg see how you feel and go from there.

I know myself because after doing high doses of oxy for a short stint i went back to subs. I waited 19 hours i took 4mg i was ok. Well i took another 4 and i threw up all over the place. I didn't feel that horrible but shakey.

From there i waited 8 hours i took another 4mg and felt a bit better then again in another 8 i felt even MUCH better. From there then i did 8mg and this was after about 72 hours. You're gonna feel much much better at this point. You're gonna have the malaise from coming of the H but you won't be in total hell either. You're gonna pay a price no matter what if you had a huge habit. I'v never done H nor have i ever banged my pills so i don't know what high dose is as far as the injection method.

Anyway keep doing your induction and eventually you're going to feel better i promise you. Here's a link to a guide about having a huge habit and moving to suboxone. People fail because they think subs wont work for them but it will you just have to keep going and expect that it's not gonna make you feel like a million dollars right off the bat.

Check this out.

http://suboxonetalkzone.com/...

The second half is where the most usefull info is about what you're going through and it explains it. This guy is a doctor as well so you can trust his advice. Good luck to you.

*I'm not a doctor and i only share my personal experience. What you do is your choice and i can be in now way held liable for what may happen to you if you follow anything i say. Everyone is different*

[OxyMorphone]

Are these dudes talkin about smokin suboxone wow ..your gnona die lol

[Sahar]

Hi there. It's my first time ever posting but I've been reading the posts forever trying to find some courage. I've been addicted to Oxys about 2 years I guess. Started as something recreationally that got out of control. I'm now up to 120-160mg oxy a day which is my highest and want to switch to sub. I have enough subs saved up to do it but my problem is actually taking the plunge. W/d scares the crap out of me and my tolerance for it is so minimal. I've been researching taking benzos (Xanax) and smoking pot to help but have found mixed reviews. Any insight on making it the easiest transition possible? And I know were supposed to wait as long as possible before taking the first dose of sub but what if your tolerance is really low for pain? I have researched enough to know the rules but i'm searching for insight on how to make the gap from oxy to sub the most tolerable so I don't give in to more oxy. I appreciate the help. Also, I'm 24 years old and in grad school. I don't have class thurs nights til Tuesday evenings. Would that be enough time to let the subs do their job and feel normal enough to attend class next Tuesday? Kk I know 100 qs. I appreciate it again thanks!

[ItsmeJules]

Strandedinfl wrote:

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Same old thing. One day at a time. Hows life with you? Hows your pain been? I hope not bad.

Thanks for asking, my pain has been manageable. I had been taking Opana 2x 15 mgs but it has just been increased to 3x daily so that little gap in the middle of the day is now taken care of. I have been doing a lot of traveling this year, so I have been in good spirits mainly. Made some new friends here too. All in all doing well. Aside from the occasional idiot or two here, topix has been the same old, same old. Still some good peeps posting though. Still a good many scammers also but that will never change, where there is demand there will be a fake supplier, ha ,ha.

[phillyphrenzy08]

With taking that many oxy's, it is highly suggested to wait a MINIMUM of 24 hours. The longer you can hold out, the more effective your first suboxone will be. If u take it too soon after your last oxy, the suboxone will have a reverse effect and it will actually induce all the nasty withdrawal symptoms. I've been thru this process with an awesome doc and he was right on about everything. Good luck to u.

[phillyphrenzy08]

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[OxyMorphone]

im having to get on methadone becuz my suboxone is 470 a month and i cant do that ...its either that or take my grandmothers pills and make her run out ..and i cant do that anymore ..so im gettin on methadone ...i mean every one is saying how bad the withdrawal is but they obviously havent tried coming off suboxone ..its like nothing you can imagine suboxone hasnt been out long enough for alot of people to know how bad it is coming off it ..but they will know soon ...no drug is perfect and they think suboxone is this silver bullet and its not trading one for another ..well there a damn lie ....

[ItsmeJules]

OxyMorphone wrote:

im having to get on methadone becuz my suboxone is 470 a month and i cant do that ...its either that or take my grandmothers pills and make her run out ..and i cant do that anymore ..so im gettin on methadone ...i mean every one is saying how bad the withdrawal is but they obviously havent tried coming off suboxone ..its like nothing you can imagine suboxone hasnt been out long enough for alot of people to know how bad it is coming off it ..but they will know soon ...no drug is perfect and they think suboxone is this silver bullet and its not trading one for another ..well there a damn lie ....

Boy, you are just a ray of sunshine, aren't ya? Well no, Subs are not easy to get off of but neither is anything you have been taking for any length of time. A lot of docs are becoming hip to this fact and establishing new ways to taper people off of Suboxone. I have a friend, who used to post here regularly. She had been on Subs for about a year, give or take and her doctor had her taper off the Subs using a low dose of Lortabs or Vicodins, forget which but pretty much the same thing. Anyway, her husband held onto them and doled them out daily. She was successfully off of them within a week or so and as far as I know had very minimal w/d symptoms. So, my friend, there are ways to taper off of Subs successfully, without all of the horrible w/d symptoms people have claimed. Suboxone is a wonderful drug, which in the years since it was introduced to the medical community, has done wonderful things and helped many people overcome addiction. Maybe you should try doing some research into something before posting misinformation and maybe negatively impacting people and their decision to quit Opiates using a proven, successful method. Ironically enough, I just posted something similar to this on another thread with someone who also agreed that people are so convinced of their misinformation that they are very persuasive in talking people out of making a smart choice and getting off of their drug of choice. Believing this misinformation perpetuated fear of the various w/d symptoms, resulting in people not really trying hard to get clean and go through the detox process.. Wake up people, the internet is a very resourceful place to find out factual info about Suboxone as well as a host of other topics. Don't take these half as$ed reviews as gospel.

[OxyMorphone]

There are no rays of sunshine for an addict so lets not be sarcastic ....anyways...suboxone has a funny way of making yourself THINK your cured but as soon as you get off it there you are ..right back where you started ..i thought i could taper my self off with oxy and lortab and found myself at the end of the month pawning my guitars to get pills ..juss like i did when i was on suboxone ...so for people who thinks it helps you no all it does it put your fuckin addiction on stand by ....also drains your bank account ...YAY SUBOXONEEEEEEEEEE

[ItsmeJules]

OxyMorphone wrote:

There are no rays of sunshine for an addict so lets not be sarcastic ....anyways...suboxone has a funny way of making yourself THINK your cured but as soon as you get off it there you are ..right back where you started ..i thought i could taper my self off with oxy and lortab and found myself at the end of the month pawning my guitars to get pills ..juss like i did when i was on suboxone ...so for people who thinks it helps you no all it does it put your fuckin addiction on stand by ....also drains your bank account ...YAY SUBOXONEEEEEEEEEE

The sarcasm was in response to you and you have to really be in the right place mentally to get on Subs and quit your drug of choice. I agree that Subs are not for everyone but if you are going to quit doing it CT is not advisable unless you are taking a very low dose of something. Hardcore drug addiction is something you have to take seriously and you know a lot of people will not make it passed the first few days of w/d. These people need something to ease their w/d symptoms or they are not going to quit. Suboxone is the perfect tool to help and it does get rid of your cravings so you can move on in your life and focus on other things while you are detoxing. Exactly what is it you are suggesting that is better than Suboxone? No matter what the route, the road is always long and never smooth. I am not sure what it is you are trying to convey but I think if I had to quit for whatever reason, I would choose the Subs route every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Nothing worth doing is ever easy but at least you have a choice and at least that choice gets you moving in the right direction with minimal pain.

[OxyMorphone]

Im saying there is nothing that will cure addiction ....maybe put it on stand by but once an addict you will always be an addict !!!!! coming from one i know ...and im not saying methadone is better but its damn sure cheaper ...and suboxone withdrawal last longer than methadone cuz if you think logically ...the half life of sub is 36 hours and methadone is 24 ..soo there ya go

[EXmethadone]

Oxymorphone,
Abstinence cures addiction. While I have used narcotics since 1971, starting with heroin, I have also gone completely through withdrawal many times. And I have practiced total abstinence from narcotics for periods of up to eight years. I cannot speak with any knowledge regarding suboxone as I have never used it. Apparently many have been successful using it to detox. There is no way to get and stay clean without experiencing some level of withdrawal and misery. Whenever I stay clean long enough, I do return completely back to normal, as if I had never used drugs in the first place.

[ItsmeJules]

OxyMorphone wrote:

Im saying there is nothing that will cure addiction ....maybe put it on stand by but once an addict you will always be an addict !!!!! coming from one i know ...and im not saying methadone is better but its damn sure cheaper ...and suboxone withdrawal last longer than methadone cuz if you think logically ...the half life of sub is 36 hours and methadone is 24 ..soo there ya go

First of all only an addict can cure his/her addiction. It can be done and it has been done. It is not easy but many, many people of all walks of life, have done it. Secondly your info is not and has not been very accurate. I have no idea where you get your info but the 1/2 life of Subs is up to 60 hours. Yes, it is hard to come off of but in the grand scheme of things, I would rather deal with the aftermath of Subs than nothing at all. You are not seeing the big picture, you put a negative spin on everything that you say. Suboxone does what it is supposed to do, the rest is up to the addict. I have no idea what you want me to say. There are not a lot of options out there for an addict to come off of their drug of choice but given the current options, I would say Subs are your best bet. If you can not afford Suboxone therapy then try Methadone. Slightly cheaper but really no easier to come off of. There will still be w/d symptoms and it will still be uncomfortable. You need to really google this stuff before coming here and posting misinformation again and again. I have no beef with you except that you are extremely negative and post unreliable info. You are the reason you can't get off drugs. Anyone who sees life through your eyes is destined to remain an addict. Grow up and take responsibility for your actions and start using the internet for positive things like research rather than coming here and dashing people's hopes and dreams to get off opiates. It is not an impossible feat and you continue to say that it is. If you believe this, than it will be.

[OxyMorphone]

Because suboxone has done nothing but negative things for me in my life ...and the half life is 36 hours im sorry to break your heart ..well thats atleast what my suboxone docter says ...anyway it is immosible ..to me ..maybe not to you and your hall of fame addcits out there but for a 19 year old it is pretty damn hard to juss stop doing opiates ...ive tried suboxone for a year and a half and it juss dont work for me ...i never left my house when i was on suboxone it made me juss veg out ..(not in a good way) it made me antisocial and it made me juss feel like i was trapped inside a box ...idk but for right now the methadone is the cheapest route ..thanks for your support asshole

[mikebkickinit]

Hey ppl ive been doing heavy does of oxy probably any where from 280 milligrams to five hundred milligrams a day like yesterday slow day was two eighty I have decided to quit have subs last oxy I did was about 12 hours ago I'm I okay to take a sub

[OxyMorphone]

yea your good bro ..id wait a little longe if you can stand it ...but i mean whenever you feel the onset on withdrawal you should be good to go ...let me know how your doin with it ...peace !!!!

[OxyMorphone]

oh but dont listen to anything itsjules has to say ..that dude doesnt care about anyone ..he thinks everything works like he does but it dont ..he thinks everyone has the same life that he does but they dont .....so suck a chode jules

[Day1]

So Ive taken 4 mg of suboxone after 24 hours of taking my last 50mg dose of oxy. I WAS taking up to 2 oxy 80s a day. I took 4mg last night at 11pm as my first dose. I started having a panic attack and snorted and swallowed about 3-4 mg Xanax. It worked and I passed out. Second dose of 4mg sub around 4am. So now it's day two and I took another 4 mg around 12pm when I woke up. I feel 100% except for a lil anxiety of actually going through it. I want to mention though taking Xanax helped immensly. My question now is how quick can start tapering down the suboxone cause I want to stay on them most limited amount possible. I want the opiates out of my system and get back to my normal life. A friend of mine did it 9 days while in rehab and he was taking 600mg oxy a day. Ideas and suggestions?

[Bob]

OxyMorphone wrote:

Because suboxone has done nothing but negative things for me in my life ...and the half life is 36 hours im sorry to break your heart ..well thats atleast what my suboxone docter says ...anyway it is immosible ..to me ..maybe not to you and your hall of fame addcits out there but for a 19 year old it is pretty damn hard to juss stop doing opiates ...ive tried suboxone for a year and a half and it juss dont work for me ...i never left my house when i was on suboxone it made me juss veg out ..(not in a good way) it made me antisocial and it made me juss feel like i was trapped inside a box ...idk but for right now the methadone is the cheapest route ..thanks for your support asshole

Why don't you pack your bags and ride off on the hosre that brought you here you little piece of crap. Get lost. Suck off you are the arshhole.