Methadone, how long does it take to detox?

[EXmethadone]

Sorry, I meant Dustin!

[dustinLV]

Im fine. had leg tremors, did the bicycle kick thing which makes me think if it gets bad im just gonna go take a bike ride. thinkin maybe draining the ATP from the muscles provides temporary relief. no gas no movement right?

thanks ex. i wanna be an ex.

[dustinLV]

D's and J's sound the same =)

so do DJ's

[dustinLV]

Meh. i just looked at the clock...ya sleep still eludes me. It's 5 am and I'm watching pokemon. where is knight rider when you need him? But hey, I partied without sleep for a long time, so big deal right.

[dustinLV]

umm. maybe my clinic was giving me koolaid or maybe i drank it all. still havent slept, no other symptoms.

i was at 60mg 8 days ago. am i just like lucky?

can someone describe late stage W/D? is it just insomnia?

i mean ive been in that hole so many times, im confused. im eating. i never eat when i go down the hole. maybe smaller hole?

i am NOT complaining. i want to understand. every addict is their favorite guinea pig.

[hammerstring]

Yea Dustin just keep writing, it sure helps me. I'm currently 3 days now on 5mg and am seriously thinking about just getting on with the inevitable, i'm experiancing very mild withdrawals but am determined to go jogging today, which i'm getting ready to do after i write this.
Just to be clear and honest i'm not currently going to meetings but am considering it again. I do believe they have helped, but i get bored with them, i get tired of hearing the same old shit. I know this shit as well as anybody, but being around some selected few people that have lots of recovery time i think is good. Best of luck and i will be back soon.

[dustinLV]

hey man, im puttin on my running shoes, seriously, and i want to go back to NA again a little bit too. i had some bad experiences but i never went 9 months clean and THEN walked in. might be different this time. i had alot of good times with those people.

[dustinLV]

They told me what has to be done. What happens. What happens when you go off and get dumb again, and we all knew i would. LOL someone stole my big book. that's ironic as hell. I hope it helped him.

[hammerstring]

Well Dustin got back a little while ago from the jog, it felt great. Of course i had a slow pace cuz i haven't run in a few months. I jogged 2 miles in a little under 20 minutes, not great, but not too bad either considering my condition.
Do you notice when you try to eat that your jaw aches when you try to chew? I had that happen to me the last time and it's starting to happen again, hey i know it can be a whole lot worse. I've decided that i'm going to keep weening myself down more until i run out of pills. I got 9 1/2 left and am going to start quartering them, hopefully that way the detox itself won't be that bad. Let me know how you make out on the jog.

[dustinLV]

hammerstring
I call those clickies in my head. when bones kinda bang around like piano keys, and clench, unclench teeth. i used to tell my buddies i got the clickies and they knew what i meant. im sorry bro. those went away first for me.

still having a hard time sleeping but i feel umm...whats normal feel like? i think that run helped alot. still feel normal man, havent done anything but watch cheesy scifi for the last few hours. feel normal. its nice.

i cut and ran at 60mg, granted i split the last 2 i had so 4x30 or so. it has only been bad a couple days. the 2nd day of when i went to the split dose and a couple days ago.

did you say your on 5mg? i would consider walking away. you might just poo funny and not sleep so good for a bit. ok, not sleep. but it probably wouldnt be bad. my clinic told me they would let me walk away at 20mg. i was like umm "let" me. ok have a nice weekend. im a stubborn bassturd though.

dont forget this is a big huge head game against yourself. yoga helps when you get that fliped out muscle problem too. they got guides online.i got that at my last rehab, they dragged me in kicking and screaming. i was like "this is gay as hell" but then after that i was always there first. it felt good. sometimes it was sleep yoga. 25 junkies on a basketball court taking a nap on mats. reminded me of daycare.

meh, mind still wandering a bit. but i have zero other symptoms at this time. gonna go eat.

good luck everyone else hooked into this crap.

[hammerstring]

Dustin,
Yea, i hear ya, i'm thinking the same thing about just getting it over with, but it's knowing i have those last 9 1/2 pills so maybe i can bring myself down a little more and it will be just that much easier. I realize that sounds like a justification but i also think there could be some truth to it, I don't know. I'm still feeling good and dread the thought of having sleepless nights again.
Wow at one of my rehabs we did the mat thing also in a gym. That place was called Carrier Clinic, in Hillsbourgh, NJ.
And I know you're 100% right when you say a lot of it is in our minds, postive thinking goes a long way.

[dustinLV]

you know its a justification bro. we have both been to rehab school enough. truth is umm, arbitrary at best. i knew when it was time and i said umm...fyfyiwdwytm. which is an acronym for something in a rage against the machine song that was my anthem when i was doing anything that felt good right then. and the F's stand for what you do with a hooker. thats a hint lol.

man i think i made it out of the hole. im cleaning my house and im not high. ya i think i made it.

[EXmethadone]

Sounds like you're doing great Dustin, and it will get better with time.

[dustinLV]

thanks EX, Today I'm like, how do i not say this cheesy? I'm wallowing in memories. and i hate them all. ever look back and think "now why on gods green earth did i do that?"

i did it like 100 times today for 500 different things. but hey it was fun at the time. bs

im so happy to be back to reality

[dustinLV]

my girlfreind who has never taken anything. she doesnt believe me. and you know what you lose with dope more than your soul?

trust

[EXmethadone]

William Burroughs wrote that during the misery of withdrawal he would sometimes experience moments of extreme "beauty and nostalgia". I have too.

[dustinLV]

im a chemist, do the math. you ever look back and say wtf was i thinking and have no idea? not me, i knew exactly. i wanted money. drugs are bad ummk

[dustinLV]

thats the end of me boring you with self loathing sorry guys.

[dustinLV]

ya, still feel normal. i feel like a dirty freak after reading everyone else's stories. ok i got a headache.

[dustinLV]

I just caught that EX. i like to write. shoot i got alot of hats, in the course of trying to stay high, i learned alot of things. i never washed anyones' windshield though.

so i take that to mean misery brings out the best in us? i think burroughs would be right in that case.