Methadone withdrawal- mental and physical problems

[ABC 52]

Bruce wrote:

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Day 13 of detox only effects now are lack of sleep, diarrhea and of resent days sneezing up to 20 times a day. Other than that I feel very good.
I am not sure how much and what of these has helped in my recovery but ABC spoke about taking things that help to detox.(go back a few pages) What I've done is switched from soda pop to
Green Tea
Gatorade
Power Aid
I started taking:
green tea extract
potassium gluconate
vitamin E
vitamin B
Ultra Chromium Picolinate
grape seed extract
Niacin
calcium
Also something called restful legs (that does not seem to help much but I told myself it did)

Hi Bruce, When you have the time can you tell me what the ingredients are, in Restful Legs, please. Potassium is usually what I recommend, but it's more for the pain and cramping in smooth muscles, than for the twitch.

Your taking a lot of antioxidants. They won't hurt any to be sure. I'd recommend Potassium Chelate over the gluconate though.

Must be down to 11 days now, before the BIG TRIP. The warmer climate will be agreeable, I'm sure.

Hi to everyone, and have a great day. I'm gonna blow this popsicle stand for most of the day.

Be well, AB

[ABC 52]

Bamboo714 wrote:

OMgosh..... I've been reading this one and the other one for days and weeks now- and I'm in same boat. Just bout to start a taper (again) and am just hopin for some support from the wonderful folks here. I'm not on super high dose- only 30mg/day but to me it seems like a lot.... it started -- ugh, too long to go into, suffice it to say- that it was higher and I've gotten it down to 30 for last month or so... Gonna scoot down a bit this coming Tuesday on the little algorithm that I've gotten from some super knowledgeable peeps and I'll be happy to share if anyone is interested. I'm small female, bout 5ft, bout 105lbs, but been on opiates for 20yrs in differing quantities for all kinds of medical issues including cancer / fibroids / and a ton of others. Think / hope I've found a good plan that'll not hurt too much, and be happy to share all my info... Don't ever underestimate the power of sound. Music can soothe the savage beast :-)

You have a pretty eye!! Also, you shouldn't have any significant problems tapering off.

You'll get support, no worry.

Kind regards, AB

[Gligman]

ABC 52 wrote:

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Hi Bruce, When you have the time can you tell me what the ingredients are, in Restful Legs, please. Potassium is usually what I recommend, but it's more for the pain and cramping in smooth muscles, than for the twitch.
Your taking a lot of antioxidants. They won't hurt any to be sure. I'd recommend Potassium Chelate over the gluconate though.
Must be down to 11 days now, before the BIG TRIP. The warmer climate will be agreeable, I'm sure.
Hi to everyone, and have a great day. I'm gonna blow this popsicle stand for most of the day.
Be well, AB

Hey AB, somebody, I'm not doing really well right now. My leg/knee is literally destroying me. It's the sciatic pain from the spinal stenosis. I had a nerve burn done in my back so the back pain hasn't hurt as much. I've taken four pills, two doses, of the green tea extract and I'm worried it's working...too well. But after 16 days! I know I gained a lot of weight but jesus christ! I have never been so close to giving up than right now because I hurt so bad. I mean, the withdrawals aren't so bad right now. I actually have energy. The cold chills are alright....but the freakin' leg pain. I feel like I'm gonna like cry for no reason every 10 minutes. I've been up since 7 and I've taken like 6 Tylenol and 2 Aspirin already. I don't wanna give up but I don't know how much longer I can deal with this. Any surgeons out there wanna amputate me from my diaphragm down? Get rid of my lumbar vertebra and left leg and I'll be happy! Help, anybody? Suggestions? Advice.....amputation? lol! <.<

[Mommy]

ABC 52 wrote:

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Hi Mommy, I did quite a bit of reading yesterday about Xanax withdrawal, then had a brief conversation with a counselor of mine who's seen a bit of it first hand. Everything points to the probability that that WD could go on for months. All of the professional consensus is that Xanax should always be tapered, if and when possible.
I have to urge you to reconsider your options, and talk with your doc about them. Not doing so, may leave your daughter without her mommy longer than you anticipate.
Everything I've read suggests that tapering Xanax is relatively painless as is the usual case with methadone as well.
With methadone and other opioids,'endorphin' is the body's chemical that is replaced. With Xanax, it's GABA. I presume that's true of other Benzo's as well, but it was only Xanax that I read about. I'll look into the Lorazepam as my time allows, and get a better picture of how much help that will give you, but honestly, I think that will likely be tomorrow.
Any time the body's natural chemicals are replaced by artificial ones it takes time, often lots of time, before the natural ones start reproducing at significant levels again. By tapering these meds, the natural chemicals start reproducing slowly and cause far less shock to the system, and far less pain as well. In extreme cases, the Post Acute Withdrawal can last years, but, several months is months more often the case.
I know how badly you want your life back, for your own sake and for your daughters too. Please talk over your options with your doc, ASAP.
Meanwhile, Gatorade, or something similar, for electrolytes, and Imodium for the diarrhea. Usually the Imodium needs to be double or even triple the package directions for withdrawal issues. That is safe. There are other things you'll need if you continue your present course, but none will make you feel better. At best they'll help you heal a little faster, but only a little. Also, stay hydrated above all.
My best, AB

I would agree wholeheartedly but I no longer have health insurance.(no Rx coverage)
Otherwise I would happily do it.

[connie2027]

Mommy wrote:

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I would agree wholeheartedly but I no longer have health insurance.(no Rx coverage)
Otherwise I would happily do it.

Hi mommy, I've been following your posts and I agree with AB,isn't there any programs availble to help pay for prescriptions, In canada we have some that will pay for your prescriptions, or maybe talk to your Mom maybe she can help it would be so much easier if u could taper both drugs u wouldn't suffer like this,

Take care mummy, I have u in my prayers

Connie

[JESUS IS THE ANSWER]

Ive been on meth for 13 years. 60mg. 60 months ago i started coming down 1mg a month. down to 4 and legs are sore but thats about it. I believe if I stay connected to CHRIST that I can do all things through CHRIST who strengthens me.

[hessmanx]

everyone is different but i found the worst part of methadone withdrawal was mental. The upset stomach and muscle cramps sucked but were tolerable,but the emotional swings,not being able to sleep and other mental factors is what made it bad. what helped me get through it was my rx of ritalin,which gave me energy to get up and keep busy,ambien and muscle relaxers to sleep. stay away from caffeine.Gatorade n water is good,hot shower or bath as soon as you wake up and before bed,protein shake since its tough to eat. after 10 days the physical symptoms start to subside but mental can last up to a year,some days will be worse than others but try and stay away from negative and stressful things in your life. I started putting 14 dollars a day (what i had to spend at the methadone clinic every day) in a jar to remind me how much money i was saving and deciding what to spend it on after 1 year w/o methadone. After the physical subsides start exercising,running,sports,lift ing weights it helps ALOT

[petit-girl]

I'm down to 30mg. Asked to be down to 20 by Tuesday, and 10 by the weekend. How long and easy should I take it once I get to 10?? I'm scared as hell, I've had full on withdrawls from opiates and it's the worst thing I've EVER experienced. But I've come down from 170 to 30 in a little over a month, so I am feeling the emotional/ mental part no doubt. Yes- cry for no reason, legs hurt and I'm not even under 30 yet. Luckily I've only been doing the program for 8 months so my body and mind shouldn't go through years of issues bc of it. But I'm still scared bc I know how horrible the withdrawals are, so so so horrible...

[Mommy]

connie2027 wrote:

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Hi mommy, I've been following your posts and I agree with AB,isn't there any programs availble to help pay for prescriptions, In canada we have some that will pay for your prescriptions, or maybe talk to your Mom maybe she can help it would be so much easier if u could taper both drugs u wouldn't suffer like this,
Take care mummy, I have u in my prayers
Connie

I have begged my mother. The answer is no. She knows more about the dangers of Xanax CT that I. Yet, she insists I am an addict. Not someone who simply wants off these pills. She's more stubborn than I am. God. There's so much bizarreness in this "family" I couldn't begin to sum it up. Ever since we moved home she has SAID: "I only let you come here so I could get my hands on ----"(my daughter).
The twisted games she plays behind my back.....
She's sent my darling girl to live elsewhere until I am well. Traitor..... Liar. Theif.
My mother? Help me? NOt for this mommy.
So, I fight until I am judged capable to mother my child by my own mother.
This is why I asked her to help me. I saw my daughter was gone. There is a lovely child's room now on the second floor. Just next to my mothers. There are new clothes on it awaiting my daughters return.
"Et tu Brute?"
Mommy

[petit-girl]

Encouraging words anyone? Any replies to my question in prior post above?? I'm 32, 30mg a day away from having a normal damn life again, man how I'm longing for it to happen faster and faster!!!!!!

[bridget82]

I meant i hav gone two weeks and it was hell

[connie2027]

Mommy wrote:

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I have begged my mother. The answer is no. She knows more about the dangers of Xanax CT that I. Yet, she insists I am an addict. Not someone who simply wants off these pills. She's more stubborn than I am. God. There's so much bizarreness in this "family" I couldn't begin to sum it up. Ever since we moved home she has SAID: "I only let you come here so I could get my hands on ----"(my daughter).
The twisted games she plays behind my back.....
She's sent my darling girl to live elsewhere until I am well. Traitor..... Liar. Theif.
My mother? Help me? NOt for this mommy.
So, I fight until I am judged capable to mother my child by my own mother.
This is why I asked her to help me. I saw my daughter was gone. There is a lovely child's room now on the second floor. Just next to my mothers. There are new clothes on it awaiting my daughters return.
"Et tu Brute?"
Mommy

Hi Mommy , wow I can't believe your mom won't help you its really a sad situation, is there anyway you can go to your local social assistance dept and ask them to help you pay for the meds, I'm in Cananda I'm not familiar with the states and how it works, but here u can go to the welfare office and they can assist u in paying for your prescriptions, you don't even have to be on Welfare and they would help you, I feel awful for you I wish you were closer to me and I would help u can u let me know what State your in maybe I can find out some info to help your situation.

Stay strong we will figure something out

Connie

[Gligman]

Ok, so, it's amazing what you do when you can't use pain pills to treat pain. The only thing I knew of that would help my leg and back pain in the past was to work-out. So, my fiance' got me into the Y for a week and it took every fiber in my being to muster up energy to work-out. I feel better! It's nice. All I need is some Rammstein/KMFDM/System of a Down and I'm good. It raises the neurotransmitter Substance P (the one for pain) which kicks the endorphine and endomorphs (put them together, what do you get? Morphine!!! They named the body's own pain substances after morphine...I love being a Biologist!) You'd think I'd have known better not to do this crap to myself.....nope. Going through all this makes me wish I was religious so I could put all my faith into a god...but what good is that? If anything, that diminishes your awesome achievement. Anyway! Bah

[petit-girl]

Well being in the healthcare field or anything close to it, mks us the most vulnerable to injury bc of lifting patients then tkn meds for the injury and the continuing d/t ability to work and function. Only option became the m-done program. Well they let me go up to 175mg in less than 3 months while on Xanax bars 2x a day! How horrible on their part rt? Well I did it knowig better but it was ok. Body was so used to it all.....: now I'm on my own deciding to be done! On 30 and praying 10 by next weekend! I want out of these liquid handcuffs!!!!

[connie2027]

petit-girl wrote:

Well being in the healthcare field or anything close to it, mks us the most vulnerable to injury bc of lifting patients then tkn meds for the injury and the continuing d/t ability to work and function. Only option became the m-done program. Well they let me go up to 175mg in less than 3 months while on Xanax bars 2x a day! How horrible on their part rt? Well I did it knowig better but it was ok. Body was so used to it all.....: now I'm on my own deciding to be done! On 30 and praying 10 by next weekend! I want out of these liquid handcuffs!!!!

Hi P, I didn't read your earlier post before I responded I think u are going to fast with this taper, if u are in withdrawl now chances are u will be feeling this all the way thru until u are done, the rate to taper is 10% of your dose every 10-14days
The good thing is u have not been on it that long If I were u I would slow down untill you are stable at ur current dose before you decrease anymore, I know how anxious you are so am I. I want nothing more then to get off this crap but the best way for me is doing it the right way and taper slowly.
I wish u well P, in what ever u decide and there is a lot of support here so please keep us posted.

Take care,
Connie

[petit-girl]

It is fast, but the clinic here in SC is expensive and my husband got off 2 months ago so I'm All alone and that is mkn it harder. I have to commute 35 miles one wAy every day just to go, so 70 miles to tk it daily, alone, when before it was my husband and I, so it's hard I guess. My counsler said medical may not allow me to go under 20 as I'm hoping anyhow....... They keep saying "safe safe safe safe"
Lol. I soooooooooooo don't want withdrawals!!!! They SUCK ABSOLUTE ASS!!!! I fear them so much!!!!!!!

[Mommy]

petit-girl wrote:

Well being in the healthcare field or anything close to it, mks us the most vulnerable to injury bc of lifting patients then tkn meds for the injury and the continuing d/t ability to work and function. Only option became the m-done program. Well they let me go up to 175mg in less than 3 months while on Xanax bars 2x a day! How horrible on their part rt? Well I did it knowig better but it was ok. Body was so used to it all.....: now I'm on my own deciding to be done! On 30 and praying 10 by next weekend! I want out of these liquid handcuffs!!!!

YOU CAN DO THIS

[Mommy]

Where is Bruce?

[monica]

Hi there i have a friend who was taking methadone for three years. He was on a pretty high dose and started detox. I was wondering how long does the pain of detox last? His body is hurting all over he is in alot of pain. Is there anything that will help him through this with out it being another drug?

[RxMan]

real deal wrote:

http://youtu.be/vzGagE54lBA think I'm lien?? ask any lady licker!!!..and suckin aint ------!!!.ya again,right...till day after today ya'll,stay safe stay informed stay off the drone traiaaaaannn!!!... get on board the.. http://youtu.be/piJ2JljCL8M AND for all you doin the long slow drawn out bullshit...ya might as well.. I get up, and nothing gets me down.
You got it tough. i've seen the toughest around.
And i know, baby, just how you feel.
You've got to roll with the punches to get to what's real
Oh can't you see me standing here,
I've got my back against the record machine
I ain't the worst that you've seen.
Oh can't you see what i mean ?
Might as well jump. jump !
Might as well jump.
Go ahead, jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
Aaa-ohh hey you ! how said that ?
Baby how you been ?
You say you don't know, you won't know
Until we begin.
Well can't you see me standing here,
I've got my back against the record machine
I ain't the worst that you've seen.
Oh can't you see what i mean ?
Might as well jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
Might as well jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
(guitar solo)
(keyboard solo)
Might as well jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump.
Get it and jump. jump !
Go ahead, jump http://youtu.be/D6dP52Lvl3A least that what Zennyzenzen told me!!!

Hey "real deal"

I haven't been on here for a LONG time---lotta medical & personal probs---I won't bore anyone !!! You were gone for sooooo long & now I see you're back---and rambling on & on & on. What meds are you on ??? I KNOW you have a pain pump---maybe you need your dose LOWERED ??? You sound like you're on SPEED !!! Re-read your posts---you're like a maniac !!! Take a bunch of chill pills & CALM DOWN---what makes you sooooo VERY HYPER ??? NO ONE cares to read your lyrics to songs, but you're soooo high, I guess you can't help it.

Love,

RxMan