Methadone Detox, Safe and Pain Free!

[tet41]

Berylla wrote:

Here is my Husbands testimony, this really works and for us because we didn't have "TIME" to go off of it slowly, this was a life saver!
Todo's Story
I was put on Opiate pain pills by my Dr. to help with Sciatic pain. Never once told how addictive they were, I went into it ignorant of what was about to happen. 2 years later, pain gone, I tried to go off the pills and discovered I couldn't! My body had become addicted to Opiates. Oxycotin, Hydrocodone and others. After moving and changing Dr.'s, my new Dr. didn't want to mess with taking me off the drugs. So he sent me to a Methadone clinic, there they assured me that they could put me on Methadone and wean me down to get me off opiates. The side effects were aweful! I gained a lot of weight, I was tired all the time and irritable, I felt like I was living in a fog. Taking Methadone to get off of Prescription pain pills should not even be legal. It doesn't work. Instead, it slowly kills you! Now, 2 years later we find out that it is virtually impossible to get off Methadone. But God has been our Guide and lead us to Dr. Sponaugle at Florida Detox. While I was there, I saw brain scans of a person on Methadone for 7 years, it was terrifying! A big part of the brain cells had been eaten away. Thankfully, another scan done a year after being off of Methadone showed that the brain cells regrew back to nearly normal. I am one week out of Florida Detox and I feel great! THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO GET OFF OF OPIATES! I would send anybody that I love dearly to this Dr. God is using Dr. Sponaugle in a powerful way to help addicts from all over the world become opiate free! I was not born an addict and I am not an addict now! Thank God for that! I am free and can function as a human!
I praise God for taking us to Florida, I would recommend this treatment to anybody! IT WORKS and it's worth every penney because you don't relapse like many people do who go through 28 day programs. Read the website, read the testimonials! You can even call them and talk to someone about the treatment and they will share their experience with you! A lot of them have gone through the treament themselves and have ended up working there!--Todo

Im very proud of you and the fact that you realize how addicting methadone is. My x- husbands entire family is hooked on it and a couple of them had to get treatment. It's more addicting than regular pain pills. I don't recommend for anyone to ever use it. People need to deal with there pain instead of thinking a pill a day is going to cure you.

[tet41]

Gail wrote:

My husband went on the methadone program to get off medication that the doctor put him on to help him with his back pain. He went on the methadone in September 2005, he was on 110mg a day untill August 1st 2006. We were moving and he told his program manager. They were to find him a place to go to,to finish his program of methadone, they never did and when we moved he was not only always tired and in a fog but he had to detox with nothing and 21 days later he died of a massive heartattack. They say he just fell asleep and it was over. He was only 42 years old and I believe it was from being left to hang dry with no help. Methadone is a terrible drug and the goverment leads you to belive its the only way to get off medication.. We never new there was anything wrong with my husband he was very healthy.Now I am alone and the only thing I can do is to let other people know STAY AWAY FROM METHADONE it is not the way to go to get help getting of any medication. I have tryed to get his medical records and I was denied because of the new privacy act. I pray this will help to save a life of pain with methadone.

So sorry for your loss. Methadone is a evil drug and my outlook on it is it's more addicting than regular pain pills. The doctors that dish it out left and right need to take a look at whats going on around the world. My x husbands family are all hooked on it and had to get help. It started with vicodin then percet and that wasnt enough so they found a dr. that handed it out 120 pills a month. Now there all addicted and going down hill.METHADONE IS VERY DANGEROUS IF YOU KNOW ANYONE TAKING IT TRY TO HELP THEM BE AWARE OF THE DRUG AND WHAT IT CAN DO.

[Linda]

arlenewla wrote:

<quoted text>Hi Jo ~
The answer to your question has to do with tolerance.
The amount of Methadone that addicts usually start off with in a Clinic setting is approximately 40mg.
Tolerance grows...the longer one stays on...the more they need.
Methadone is an opioid...just like Percodan, Heroin, Dilaudid, etc.
So if one assumes that an addict (not talking about Chronic Pain Patients) goes on Methadone to stop the cessation of craving for their original DOC...you will understand that just like with a DOC, tolerance increases. Cravings hit. They feel the dose is not *holding* them. There are withdrawal symptoms.
Ergo...an ever increasing amount of Methadone.
Progressive disease.
And sweetie...one more thing. 150mg is no big shakes these days in terms of doses. Unfortunate, but true. Doses can go as high as 300 or sometimes more. Sad, but true.
Make sense? Warmly, Ar

Just 40 mil can kill it killed my son in a MMT I can't imagine starting people on anything higher then that. They forgot he was on 20 mil of Klonopin twice a day and the grapefruit drinks that they told him would help "what's up with that"? Has anyone heard of a MMT doing that? I have plenty of grapefruit juice if anyone needs some!

[ImFree]

Sky wrote:

<quoted text>
WRONG!!!!! You need to "read-up" hun., your behind times! ADDICTION IS A DISEASE. There's tons of proof, via internet.

I realize there's ton's of "proof" if you call it, but it's not proof, it's deception. If you quit taking a drug and fix your brain chemistry and get the chemicals in your brain balanced, YOU ARE NOT AN ADDICT. You have a chemical imbalance that you have decided to treat correctly instead of self medicating with a legal or illegal substance that is addictive. I don't care what Medical Dr.s or anyone else says, the American Medical assoc. is so corrupted anyway, I don't believe much they say. It's sad that they have so many people decieved.

[Berylla]

tet41 wrote:

<quoted text>Im very proud of you and the fact that you realize how addicting methadone is. My x- husbands entire family is hooked on it and a couple of them had to get treatment. It's more addicting than regular pain pills. I don't recommend for anyone to ever use it. People need to deal with there pain instead of thinking a pill a day is going to cure you.

Wow, I haven't been on here for a while, it looks like a lot has gone on while I was gone.
I totally agree with you. People are so intollerant to pain. Fix the problem instead of just popping a pill. Why not live life to the fullest instead of just being numb all the time. I feel sorry for anyone who gets on this stuff because it is SO hard to get off of! But I Thank God daily for a SAFE rapid detox. And I also Thank God that we didn't go to one of the other places that don't do it safely, from what I've heard on here people have gone through stuff in Rapid Detox they shouldn't have had to! Dr. Sponaugle really has that going for him, that he's able to actually do it safely. To bad the other Dr's won't do it the way he does. There would be so many more possitive stories out there if they did.

[Berylla]

BJT wrote:

DRUG ADDICTION: is a condition where a person takes a drug compulsively, despite potential harm to themselves, or their desire to stop. Although being addicted implies dependence, it is possible to be dependent on a drug without being addicted. People who take drugs to treat diseases and disorders, which interfere with their ability to function, may experience improvement of their condition.
Such persons are dependent on the drug, but are not addicted. One is addicted, rather than merely dependent, if one exhibits compulsive behavior towards the drug and has difficulty quitting it.
To qualify as being dependent a person must 1. take a drug regularly and 2. experience unpleasant symptoms if they stop, which make stopping difficult.
Substance abuse can occur with or without dependency, and with or without addiction. Substance abuse is any use of a substance, which causes more harm than good.
In some cases, whether a substance causes more harm than good, or more good than harm, may be a matter of opinion rather than a matter of fact.
***Only way I knew to actually find out the difference was to go and google it.
I could not tell who was right or wrong in the forum OR even if there was a right or wrong.
Maybe this will help others determine the difference between an addict and someone who is dependant.

I totally agree with you here.

I was talking to my husband the other day and he said the term Addict in discribing someone who's been on a drug and gotten off of it and people say they are an addict for life. The word Addict is being midused. Instead they should say that they have more of a tendancy to become re addicted to it. but are not actually an Addict. Again, I agree with ImFree, if you're no longer addicted to an addictive drug, don't consider yourself an addict.
Thanks for your posts!

[Berylla]

BJT wrote:

Somebody please tell me why it is necessary to give someone 150 plus mgs of methodone for ANY reason.
Even with the severe pain that I deal with on a daily basis the MOST I have ever taken in one day is 80mgs and that was broken down into 20mgs 4 times a day.
And at 20mgs my pain is bareable and I can motivate myself to get around and do every day things.
Now I couldnt run a damn marathon or anything like that but I CAN function.
And it is very rare that I feel the need to take 80mgs in a day. Most of the time I deal with my pain with taking 60mgs or less aday.
I just do NOT understand where there would ever be the need to give someone THAT MUCH methodone in one day.
I can guarentee that my pain with my body being riddled with arthritis and my back problems is extremely painful but I know that I will never be completely pain free and if I tried to be then I would be pumping entirely to damn much methodone into my body. This is MY body and I have enough intelligence not to abuse it enough to where I could not function and stay in a fog or nod out on a regular basis. I would rather live in alittle pain then to live in a fog or nod (whatever yall call it).
Im sorry but I just DO NOT SEE where that much methodone or any other pain medication is ever needed.
And I have been on pain medications for about 5 yrs and on methodone for about 3 of those years.

There was a man who was on 800 mg of Methadone that went to Florida Detox and the week after detox he was lifting weights! Don't ask my why he was on such a high dose, but when he woke up he said he felt like a totally different person!

As far as Artheritis pain. My father in law is a walking testimoney! He's had so many surgeries on hips and knees that he's got horrible artheritis from all the scar tissue. He went on a vegitarian diet and he is pain free now and all he ever takes is a tylanol once in a while! He refuses to go back to eating normal again because he feels so good! He's also been addicted to pain pills and in a psyc ward to get off of them. So he's been down that route.

[Berylla]

ImFree wrote:

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Reetz,
Addiction is Not the disease. The disease is the chemical imbalance and people become addicted to drugs or alcahol to self medicate in order to feel normal. Addiction is not the culprit, it's is the result of someone with a chemical imbalance not getting the RIGHT help, but self medicating with something else.

Thank you ImFree, for your comments! I appriciate everything you've said!

[Krissy_01]

ImFree wrote:

<quoted text>
I realize there's ton's of "proof" if you call it, but it's not proof, it's deception. If you quit taking a drug and fix your brain chemistry and get the chemicals in your brain balanced, YOU ARE NOT AN ADDICT. You have a chemical imbalance that you have decided to treat correctly instead of self medicating with a legal or illegal substance that is addictive. I don't care what Medical Dr.s or anyone else says, the American Medical assoc. is so corrupted anyway, I don't believe much they say. It's sad that they have so many people decieved.

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I wasn't referring to the AMA, or an MD. I was referring to Scientific Evidence thats' supports Addiction is a Disease. Yep, its' sad.

Sky

[BJT]

I only wish that I could become a vegatarian but I hate vegtables.......lol
But please dont tell my 6 yr old that.

Berylla wrote:

<quoted text>
There was a man who was on 800 mg of Methadone that went to Florida Detox and the week after detox he was lifting weights! Don't ask my why he was on such a high dose, but when he woke up he said he felt like a totally different person!
As far as Artheritis pain. My father in law is a walking testimoney! He's had so many surgeries on hips and knees that he's got horrible artheritis from all the scar tissue. He went on a vegitarian diet and he is pain free now and all he ever takes is a tylanol once in a while! He refuses to go back to eating normal again because he feels so good! He's also been addicted to pain pills and in a psyc ward to get off of them. So he's been down that route.

[BJT]

Excuse me? People need to just "deal" with their pain? When YOUR body is taken over with arthritis and your back has so many problems with it that you become almost paralized in your sleep and your feet and hands have so much nerve damage to them that you cant even type, write or walk then YOU try to just DEAL WITH THE PAIN. I have tried everything imaginable to be able to just "deal" with the pain and it does not work that way. As it is, even on the methodone my pain NEVER goes completely away, it is ALWAYS there and I have to deal with that.
Unless you have been in the shoes of some of these people who are dealing with chronic pain on a 24/7 basis then you can not possibly imagine what it is like.
And I am only 46 years old, I have a long, hard, painful life ahead of me. Do you think I LIKE having to take medication every day of my life? Do you think I LIKE having to live on the little piddly amount of social security disability that I have to live on? Do you think I LIKE not being able to do the things with my child that most parents can? Or that I LIKE having to use a walker at my age just to get around the grocery store at times?
I cant not even believe that you said that. I sure hope that God has more mercy on YOUR soul then YOU have for other people.
And God forbid that something ever happen to YOU that you end up in this kind of pain and a doctor or someone else tell YOU to JUST DEAL WITH IT.

tet41 wrote:

<quoted text>Im very proud of you and the fact that you realize how addicting methadone is. My x- husbands entire family is hooked on it and a couple of them had to get treatment. It's more addicting than regular pain pills. I don't recommend for anyone to ever use it. People need to deal with there pain instead of thinking a pill a day is going to cure you.

[reetz1960]

You are always an addict or alcoholic because you are always only one drug or drink away from losing everything again.
If it makes you feel better not to call yourself an addict, then so be it.
I'm a short person. I'm 5'2". I can SAY I'm tall, but the truth is, I'll always be a short person.
Hugs,
Reetz

[Cecelia]

Methadone clinics all have lousy counseling sessions. It's like the bottom of the barrel flocks to these programs. Don't they believe we can tell the difference between caring therapy and therapy that is just rolling along in the job. And the contingencey shit of snatching take homes. Just because one slips doesnt' mean that they've lost everything that they've worked for. Methadone programs need to wake up with new literature, and hire people that really care.

[Cecelia]

Addiction is not a disease, it's a maladaptive behavior in which one continues the same behavior taking them to hell and everyone around them. It's easier to have a disease, and it's easy to stay on methadone. Getting off and away is change, and that's not always easy, but if you measure what's important to you verses staying the same(discrepency) usually your core values will win. Methadone is a starting point, but to be on it as a life project,I don't think is necessary for all, just comfortable. It requires work to change and work to detox. How bad do you want your freedom back?

[Joey]

What is the differance in pain managment methadone treatment and misuse of prescribed methadone?

[Masso]

Not ALL pain can be "just dealt with". This is why doctors use pain meds, and hopefully judiciously. Addiction is an entirely different matter, treated differently, and unfortunately still stigmatized as a "Moral Deficit" by society. Addiction treatment hopefully includes treating behavior patterns by a counselor TRAINED in such techniques as CBT, motivational Interviewing, etc. I believe this should be at the core of addiction treatment. Addiction treatment cannot, in my opinion, be sucessful without it.

[Sadiegirl]

Berylla wrote:

Here is my Husbands testimony, this really works and for us because we didn't have "TIME" to go off of it slowly, this was a life saver!
Todo's Story
I was put on Opiate pain pills by my Dr. to help with Sciatic pain. Never once told how addictive they were, I went into it ignorant of what was about to happen. 2 years later, pain gone, I tried to go off the pills and discovered I couldn't! My body had become addicted to Opiates. Oxycotin, Hydrocodone and others. After moving and changing Dr.'s, my new Dr. didn't want to mess with taking me off the drugs. So he sent me to a Methadone clinic, there they assured me that they could put me on Methadone and wean me down to get me off opiates. The side effects were aweful! I gained a lot of weight, I was tired all the time and irritable, I felt like I was living in a fog. Taking Methadone to get off of Prescription pain pills should not even be legal. It doesn't work. Instead, it slowly kills you! Now, 2 years later we find out that it is virtually impossible to get off Methadone. But God has been our Guide and lead us to Dr. Sponaugle at Florida Detox. While I was there, I saw brain scans of a person on Methadone for 7 years, it was terrifying! A big part of the brain cells had been eaten away. Thankfully, another scan done a year after being off of Methadone showed that the brain cells regrew back to nearly normal. I am one week out of Florida Detox and I feel great! THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO GET OFF OF OPIATES! I would send anybody that I love dearly to this Dr. God is using Dr. Sponaugle in a powerful way to help addicts from all over the world become opiate free! I was not born an addict and I am not an addict now! Thank God for that! I am free and can function as a human!
I praise God for taking us to Florida, I would recommend this treatment to anybody! IT WORKS and it's worth every penney because you don't relapse like many people do who go through 28 day programs. Read the website, read the testimonials! You can even call them and talk to someone about the treatment and they will share their experience with you! A lot of them have gone through the treament themselves and have ended up working there!--Todo

First of all I'm sorry about your experence on methadone. Mine has been good it was off to a bad start, but it saved my life. I'm thinking it's time for me to go off it though. All the sweating, tierdness, and weight gain is getting annoying. But the symotoms are still not enough to make me quit. I am an addict and am pro-methadone. It got me off drugs and I didn't relaps at all. Comming from a past cronic relapser thats amazing! But all things come to an end. And I think my time is now. You didn't leave the info for the website of the detox in flordia. I really want the info! Please e-mail me it [e-mail]
Thanks and sorry about my bad spelling.

[Sadiegirl]

Joey wrote:

What is the differance in pain managment methadone treatment and misuse of prescribed methadone?

Joey-
The difference is this. People are on Methadone for only 2 reasons either because they have pain or, like me, they are addicted to pain pills. They could be addicted to Herion too. I was physical addicted to pain pills now I'm on Methadone. I won't lie I feel there are people who misuse Methadone at Methdone Clinics. I personal do not know who (if I did I'd turn there buts inso fast!!!because they make it harder for people who follow the program to get there Methadone.) Now some people prescribed Methadone will sell it. THAT IS MISUSE!!! Some people will take more than there supposed to. THAT IS MISUSE!!! BOTH ARE DEADLY!! If anyone out there reading this is misusesing please stop, you give approperate Methadone users a BAD name, not to metion if you sell it. It is deadly!! Addicts on Methadone have a tollerence to it, other people don't, even if they already take Herion it dosen't matter. Oh yeah remember all Methadone users that go to Methadone Clinics IT'S THE LAW TO KEEP IT LOCKED ATALL TIMES AND PUT OUT OF REACH OF OTHER PEOPLE!!! KIDS TOO!!!!
JOey sorry about my spelling and if you want more info about Methadone please e-mail me at [e-mail]

[Joey]

Thank you Sadiegirl, I needed the information you gave me. I know someone who is legally prescribed and under direct doctor care for chronic pain. She is very responsible. I am just concerned about the long term effects. I cannot relate to chronic pain. I am sure misuse IS NOT going on now and I am grateful for this site. Thank you all for any imput on this...Joey

[Joey]

Real quick, I am guilty for lack of trust for methadone treatment for chronic pain. I am trying to learn more about it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks!