Anna Nicole Smith's death tied to accidental overdose

Anna Nicole Smith, whose intricate life of sex, glamour and money left behind a legal snarl, died from an accidental overdose of prescription drugs, Florida officials said today.

[stacey]

Howard K Stern knew that Anna and her son used those drugs. How would anyone ever be able to tell if he happen to put it in there food or anything they were drinking, They were probably messed up when he did it so they couldnt tell the difference. Somebody needs to find some evidence fast. This guy has the perfect plan on getting away with murder. Wasn't he an attorney, for her?

[Delia]

Those friends around they all use her and drug to death now they are all cashing in
and poor parenst of hers specially the baby is being sed by Stern and Birkhead to get more big $$$. Just give the baby to the grandmother Virgie Arthur. Some peopel got away with murder. Poor baby and parents.

[Valerie]

I really believe HKS killed both of them, but sadly, I think because it was so known that Anna was abusing drugs, there is no hope of him being charged with her murder. However, Daniel may be a different story. Lets hope that he pays one way or the other.

[Playmate]

I think Larry Birkhead made a good point. Anna was right-handed. Could she have been injecting herself in the left side of her butt? It would be awkward to do. One assumes a right-handed person would inject on the right side. Also, Anna was not the type to do things for herself, even little things. She had people bring her plates of food from a buffet. Would she have injected herself when someone was always around?

[Valerie]

Playmate wrote:

I think Larry Birkhead made a good point. Anna was right-handed. Could she have been injecting herself in the left side of her butt? It would be awkward to do. One assumes a right-handed person would inject on the right side. Also, Anna was not the type to do things for herself, even little things. She had people bring her plates of food from a buffet. Would she have injected herself when someone was always around?

I agree with you. Also there is something else that really bothers me about the statments the coroner made concerning her death. He stated that HKS was the last person to see her alive at around 10am. HKS stated that Anna had taken some sleeping medication, he then showered, and left seeing no reason to check on her since she was sleeping. Well, someone who had been as sick as she had been, there was absolute reason to check on her. Secondly, when people overdose, it doesnt typically take over 5 hours for them to expire. Normally, medications tend to become weaker as time goes on, not stronger, and I dont see a sleeping person as HKS put it, getting up to take medication. I think HKS fed her the medication. When you are in a sleep induced state, you do things mechanically without being aware, but only when instructed by others.

My other problem is, the nurse called her husband, which in return it was 30 minutes after finding Anna blue before 911 was called. I find this highly strange. I am a nurse, and nurses all know blue means they are not getting enough oxygen. Even the average person on the street knows this. There is no way anyone will ever convince me that the nurse was not part of the death of Anna. 30 minutes is like lifetime when saving a life. The coroner stated she was still warm at the hospital. IMO, and probably most medical people, Anna was very much someone that could have been saved, had she recieved prompt medical attentioin when the nurse found her.

[nailman]

NEWS FLASH!!!!
ANNA NICHOLE IS STILL DEAD......

Wow with all the other things to be concerned with. Some people really need to get a life folks!

[Just An Observer]

stacey wrote:

Howard K Stern knew that Anna and her son used those drugs. How would anyone ever be able to tell if he happen to put it in there food or anything they were drinking, They were probably messed up when he did it so they couldnt tell the difference. Somebody needs to find some evidence fast. This guy has the perfect plan on getting away with murder. Wasn't he an attorney, for her?

Knowing all the "unethical" things he has done so far, why is he still practicing law, or being allowed to???? When ANS was drinking, she checked herself into a clinic. There is a pattern here, of HKS not wanting her to get well--just worse! Why are these two people around HKS, the only ones to abuse drugs all of a sudden? Two deaths so close to each other are very suspicious to me. I wonder about the yacht also. Maybe he was going to try to do away with her that way, maybe claiming she fell overboard, or committed suicide. That yacht is certainly important to HKS all of a sudden!

[Baznme]

nailman wrote:

NEWS FLASH!!!!
ANNA NICHOLE IS STILL DEAD......
Wow with all the other things to be concerned with. Some people really need to get a life folks!

If it bothers you so much, go somewhere else! It's a free country, with lots of other subjects to get involved with. Go find a subject that suits you and stop admonishing people that are interested in this one!

[Just An Observer]

nailman wrote:

NEWS FLASH!!!!
ANNA NICHOLE IS STILL DEAD......
Wow with all the other things to be concerned with. Some people really need to get a life folks!

Yep, I love people who say those things, while tuning into one of these threads they are "not interested" in! I echo the previous posters' sentiments. There are plenty of other places for you to hang out at.

[unimportant opinion]

Valerie wrote:

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I agree with you. Also there is something else that really bothers me about the statments the coroner made concerning her death. He stated that HKS was the last person to see her alive at around 10am. HKS stated that Anna had taken some sleeping medication, he then showered, and left seeing no reason to check on her since she was sleeping. Well, someone who had been as sick as she had been, there was absolute reason to check on her. Secondly, when people overdose, it doesnt typically take over 5 hours for them to expire. Normally, medications tend to become weaker as time goes on, not stronger, and I dont see a sleeping person as HKS put it, getting up to take medication. I think HKS fed her the medication. When you are in a sleep induced state, you do things mechanically without being aware, but only when instructed by others.
My other problem is, the nurse called her husband, which in return it was 30 minutes after finding Anna blue before 911 was called. I find this highly strange. I am a nurse, and nurses all know blue means they are not getting enough oxygen. Even the average person on the street knows this. There is no way anyone will ever convince me that the nurse was not part of the death of Anna. 30 minutes is like lifetime when saving a life. The coroner stated she was still warm at the hospital. IMO, and probably most medical people, Anna was very much someone that could have been saved, had she recieved prompt medical attentioin when the nurse found her.

I agree. I don't understand why the 'nurse' isn't being questioned on that very subject. We hear about young children who know to call 911 in an emergency, why in the world didn't this 'nurse' do the same?
CHECK-CALL-CARE...it's simple.
Considering how long it took to call 911, get an ambulance to the hotel, and then Anna to the hospital, the fact that her body was still warm at the hospital, tells me that she was probably still alive when the 'nurse' found her. If she was blue, she wasn't getting enough oxygen. What the hell was the 'nurse' doing between the time that she found Anna, and the time Moe got back to the room? I don't understand why she didn't start CPR. Even if she couldn't have moved Anna to the floor to do chest compressions, she could have started rescue breathing or something.
If she really is a 'nurse' didn't she take some kind of oath? Isn't there any way she can be held accountable for not performing her job duties in a manner which meets her level of training? It just doesn't make sense.
I'll buy Accidental Overdose simply because without sufficent evidence, it would be very difficult to prove suicide or homicide...but I think the evidence is pretty clear that those around her were negligent in proving care for Anna. Why isn't anyone answering for that?

[Shargram]

Just An Observer wrote:

<quoted text>Knowing all the "unethical" things he has done so far, why is he still practicing law, or being allowed to???? When ANS was drinking, she checked herself into a clinic. There is a pattern here, of HKS not wanting her to get well--just worse! Why are these two people around HKS, the only ones to abuse drugs all of a sudden? Two deaths so close to each other are very suspicious to me. I wonder about the yacht also. Maybe he was going to try to do away with her that way, maybe claiming she fell overboard, or committed suicide. That yacht is certainly important to HKS all of a sudden!

While Anna lay in her bed leaking bodily fluids and unconsious Howard figured it was a good time to step out and look at a yacht!

[Valerie]

To unimportant

I work as a nurse. She could very well be held responsible for her death due to the fact she did not get medical attention, and this is based on her own words.

As far as her saying she couldnt get it from the bed, you are taught in school how to handle people like that. She could have gotten her out, thats why Moe was so shocked she wasnt. I just feel the nurse wanted her to die. She didnt even give her the common courtesy most people get who collapse on the street and she was supposedly a paid nurse.

If it were my family member, not only would she be sued, she would also never practice as a nurse again, but lets see if Anna's loving partner, HKS pushes any of that.

[unimportant opinion]

Well one thing is for sure. Moe and the 'nurse' are sure keeping a low profile these days.

Wonder why???

Perhaps they don't want to call any more attention to themselves...unlike Howard who is making himself look very suspicious with all of his 'legal manipulation'.

[Fred Sanford]

Look Howard wanted the $$ so he moved them to the Bahamas and slowly killed them. Only accident was the OD finally occurred in the USA. But by running back to BAhamas, he knows it will be tied up in Kangaroo court forever.

The biggest shocker of the autopsy report was that those were real not silicone. Imagine that....

[Jaye]

Valerie wrote:

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I agree with you. Also there is something else that really bothers me about the statments the coroner made concerning her death. He stated that HKS was the last person to see her alive at around 10am. HKS stated that Anna had taken some sleeping medication, he then showered, and left seeing no reason to check on her since she was sleeping. Well, someone who had been as sick as she had been, there was absolute reason to check on her. Secondly, when people overdose, it doesnt typically take over 5 hours for them to expire. Normally, medications tend to become weaker as time goes on, not stronger, and I dont see a sleeping person as HKS put it, getting up to take medication. I think HKS fed her the medication. When you are in a sleep induced state, you do things mechanically without being aware, but only when instructed by others.
My other problem is, the nurse called her husband, which in return it was 30 minutes after finding Anna blue before 911 was called. I find this highly strange. I am a nurse, and nurses all know blue means they are not getting enough oxygen. Even the average person on the street knows this. There is no way anyone will ever convince me that the nurse was not part of the death of Anna. 30 minutes is like lifetime when saving a life. The coroner stated she was still warm at the hospital. IMO, and probably most medical people, Anna was very much someone that could have been saved, had she recieved prompt medical attentioin when the nurse found her.

I agree that nothing about the nurse's behavior makes any sense, at least not as we have heard it reported. I do find it very strange that we haven't heard a whole lot more about the nurse's accounts of these events. She is lying VERY LOW, no doubt on advice of counsel.

At first I thought, well maybe she thought Anna was already dead and didn't do the usual things a nurse would do because of this,d was feeling very guilty over the whole thing, and for that reason didn't want to say to Moe "I think Anna is dead, what should I do?" (Then again, maybe she did say this.) In any event, her behavior was anything but circumspect.

Usually when things don't make sense it is because some of the pieces to the puzzle ARE MISSING. In other words, I feel we, the public, do not have the complete and true story yet, and I doubt the policing authorities do either.

I feel it is highly likely the Seminole Police Department handled this matter incompetently, and it occurs to me it is easier to say "accident" than to do what it takes to really get to the bottom of things. You can "rotely" take witness statements and take everyone's word at "face" value, OR you can dig deeper. And, in my view, this police department did the FORMER, not the latter.

Dr. Perper is relying to some degree on information and findings of the Seminole Police Department; however, having said that, he ALSO appears to be taking rather a cavalier approach to the whole thing. I realize he has a reportedly stellor Curriculum Vitae, but sometimes a pure "scientific" approach to things doesn't get to the truth.

Everything might be just as has been presented. I would have felt better, however, had it been apparent that this case had been approached on, and attacked from, more complex levels of investigation.

[tom]

Jaye wrote:

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Dr. Perper is relying to some degree on information and findings of the Seminole Police Department; however, having said that, he ALSO appears to be taking rather a cavalier approach to the whole thing. I realize he has a reportedly stellor Curriculum Vitae, but sometimes a pure "scientific" approach to things doesn't get to the truth.
Everything might be just as has been presented. I would have felt better, however, had it been apparent that this case had been approached on, and attacked from, more complex levels of investigation.

I have read the Autopsy report. One thing that struck me is that Dr. Perper had as his number on question concerning the manner of death was how did Anna ingest the amount of Cloral Hydrate with out someone forcing or coercing her to do so. Exactly how this happened was never subsequentley addressed. For this reason I do not know how he could rule it as an accidental overdose. He could of ruled the manner as unknown instead of accidental. I wonder if he was under some pressure to try and wrap the case up.

[Jaye]

tom wrote:

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I have read the Autopsy report. One thing that struck me is that Dr. Perper had as his number on question concerning the manner of death was how did Anna ingest the amount of Cloral Hydrate with out someone forcing or coercing her to do so. Exactly how this happened was never subsequentley addressed. For this reason I do not know how he could rule it as an accidental overdose. He could of ruled the manner as unknown instead of accidental. I wonder if he was under some pressure to try and wrap the case up.

I agree.

[Jaye]

Valerie wrote:

To unimportant
I work as a nurse. She could very well be held responsible for her death due to the fact she did not get medical attention, and this is based on her own words.
As far as her saying she couldnt get it from the bed, you are taught in school how to handle people like that. She could have gotten her out, thats why Moe was so shocked she wasnt. I just feel the nurse wanted her to die. She didnt even give her the common courtesy most people get who collapse on the street and she was supposedly a paid nurse.
If it were my family member, not only would she be sued, she would also never practice as a nurse again, but lets see if Anna's loving partner, HKS pushes any of that.

Interesting perspective, Valerie.

[Curious]

It wasnt homicide. Anna Nicole was not overdosed on any drugs but was found to have a moderate amount of Cloral Hydrate in her body. If it wasnt for the other drugs, or her flu, she would have survived nor shown any symptoms of overdosing.

The reason why she took it is because she claimed her other sleeping medicine was not effective (not surprising... my mother is the same way).

Anna Nicoles death was merely an accident caused by too many other drugs (mainly anti-depressents) in her system so stop accusing Howard of murder. There is NO EVIDENCE, and it just makes you all look like fools.

Now, I doubt very few or none of you are doctors... so why are you arguing Dr. Perper (who has more brains then us put together) when you know absolutely nothing?

[Curious]

Valerie wrote:

To unimportant
I work as a nurse. She could very well be held responsible for her death due to the fact she did not get medical attention, and this is based on her own words.
As far as her saying she couldnt get it from the bed, you are taught in school how to handle people like that. She could have gotten her out, thats why Moe was so shocked she wasnt. I just feel the nurse wanted her to die. She didnt even give her the common courtesy most people get who collapse on the street and she was supposedly a paid nurse.
If it were my family member, not only would she be sued, she would also never practice as a nurse again, but lets see if Anna's loving partner, HKS pushes any of that.

Very interesting... I do agree.