vandia

[Mike]

Obama Rocks wrote:

<quoted text>Have you received an individual settlement offer?...OBAMA ROCKS!

I just explained to you above what I have received, what part did you not understand?

[dwd]

Jill wrote:

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I've had private insurance since I was 18 yrs. old and my premiums have more than covered my medical expenses. I don't understand why private health insurance companies should be reimbursed for Avandia complications at all.

why have private insurance? We have to pay our premiums for what? Let the insurance companys go after GSK and Not us. Let them fight with gsk

[killedjoe]

MartyRedMooseLodge wrote:

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OH, but remember GSK did nothing and is guilty of nothing.....How can the insurance companies say they have "CAUSED OUR DEATHS AND SURGERIES AND HOSPITAL STAYS, ETC." They have no "PROOF" just like we can't prove it. GSK should be paying them out of their pocket just like they did the Gov..........not us.

That is correct. In any court of law, GSK is not guilty. It has been accused. Folks like us who really don't have the time and money can't afford to take Gsk to court. But another corporation, like the insurance companies, can and will. GSK knows this. So what happen is behind close doors, the insurance and Gsk cut a deal under the table which we will never find out about. Right now the fight is how much is the insurance companies entitled to. You may know what this is call, "business has usual". Gsk will not allow itself to be taken to court and the insurance companies really don't want to go to court. They talk to each other and "deal" on the payout quietly. What you are looking for is the companies step up and do the "right thing". Never going to happen.

[Obama Rocks]

killedjoe wrote:

<quoted text> That is correct. In any court of law, GSK is not guilty. It has been accused. Folks like us who really don't have the time and money can't afford to take Gsk to court. But another corporation, like the insurance companies, can and will. GSK knows this. So what happen is behind close doors, the insurance and Gsk cut a deal under the table which we will never find out about. Right now the fight is how much is the insurance companies entitled to. You may know what this is call, "business has usual". Gsk will not allow itself to be taken to court and the insurance companies really don't want to go to court. They talk to each other and "deal" on the payout quietly. What you are looking for is the companies step up and do the "right thing". Never going to happen.

Our attorneys should've known this would happen and baked it into the equation as a possible part of any settlement agreement. When they (GSK's doctors) devised the formula or allocution model, they included age, smoking/non-smoking, etc. The insurance companies had tried once before to be included in the settlements, but Rufe denied their efforts. Our lawyers probably knew or should have known that they would be back - this time as claims were being settled. The insurance companies came back and probably have no right to any money in the Avandia settlements but by threatening to sue, they've already slowed down the process, and can slow it down to a snail's crawl. I suspect that a few posters would want to fight it out, but an overwhelming majority want their money now. That's the leverage the insurance companies now have...OBAMA RULES!!!

[killedjoe]

Obama Rocks wrote:

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Our attorneys should've known this would happen and baked it into the equation as a possible part of any settlement agreement. When they (GSK's doctors) devised the formula or allocution model, they included age, smoking/non-smoking, etc. The insurance companies had tried once before to be included in the settlements, but Rufe denied their efforts. Our lawyers probably knew or should have known that they would be back - this time as claims were being settled. The insurance companies came back and probably have no right to any money in the Avandia settlements but by threatening to sue, they've already slowed down the process, and can slow it down to a snail's crawl. I suspect that a few posters would want to fight it out, but an overwhelming majority want their money now. That's the leverage the insurance companies now have...OBAMA RULES!!!

Again, the average person does not have the money nor the time. If you research past medical lawsuit, you will see that the way things are done changes from lawsuit to lawsuit. Why? like what happen to Merck with Vioxx, GSK studies the lawsuit and try not to make the same mistakes that Merck did. Merck studies the lawsuit with Pfizer, and try not to make the mistake Pfizer did and so on and so on. Every medical lawsuit is difference. Just like in a murder trial, some lawyers find new evident and the other lawsuit has no clue on what happen until it happen and then react to it. Just has Rufus denied the insurance, they come back appeal and win the appeal. What infor that we know is just the tip of the iceberg.

[Obama Rocks]

killedjoe wrote:

<quoted text> Again, the average person does not have the money nor the time. If you research past medical lawsuit, you will see that the way things are done changes from lawsuit to lawsuit. Why? like what happen to Merck with Vioxx, GSK studies the lawsuit and try not to make the same mistakes that Merck did. Merck studies the lawsuit with Pfizer, and try not to make the mistake Pfizer did and so on and so on. Every medical lawsuit is difference. Just like in a murder trial, some lawyers find new evident and the other lawsuit has no clue on what happen until it happen and then react to it. Just has Rufus denied the insurance, they come back appeal and win the appeal. What infor that we know is just the tip of the iceberg.

I saw where Rufe denied the insurance companies the first time, but did not see if they appealed or if it was successful. I guess they could argue that if Medicare must be reimbursed, that they too should also get paid as well. It just seems to me that if a person has paid their premiums on time the purpose was to insure that their medical needs would be met when needed. What out attorneys are worried about is the insurance companies drawing this out. GSK is worried about having to pay more than they agreed to originally. In the end, the one's who will pay are the injured and the survivors...OBAMA RULES!!!

[killedjoe]

Obama Rocks wrote:

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I saw where Rufe denied the insurance companies the first time, but did not see if they appealed or if it was successful. I guess they could argue that if Medicare must be reimbursed, that they too should also get paid as well. It just seems to me that if a person has paid their premiums on time the purpose was to insure that their medical needs would be met when needed. What out attorneys are worried about is the insurance companies drawing this out. GSK is worried about having to pay more than they agreed to originally. In the end, the one's who will pay are the injured and the survivors...OBAMA RULES!!!

I forgot to mention that with Vioxx settlement that paid out almost 95% of the payment to people, the insurance are also going after Merck, many years later, for the same reason they are going after GSK.

[MartyRedMooseLod ge]

killedjoe wrote:

<quoted text> I forgot to mention that with Vioxx settlement that paid out almost 95% of the payment to people, the insurance are also going after Merck, many years later, for the same reason they are going after GSK.

This is the way it "should be" done. I like that number...95% to us and the insurance go after GSK afterwards.
Please, Please!!

[Jill]

killedjoe wrote:

<quoted text> The insurance companies are claiming that because avandia created medical problem to folks and that the insurance had paid for, they feel that they are entitled to a percentage of the money. What the legal ramifications are, I don't know, but obviously, they are causing a headache for Gsk and everyone else.

If the insurance companies claim they should be reimbursed because Avandia caused problems AND GSK agrees to pay them isn't GSK in effect claiming guilt for our medical issues?

[killedjoe]

MartyRedMooseLodge wrote:

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This is the way it "should be" done. I like that number...95% to us and the insurance go after GSK afterwards.
Please, Please!!

I said that Merck paid out 95% of the claims from 10 years or more of waiting. After many years gone by, the insurance are only now getting involved, looking for the claims money.

[killedjoe]

Jill wrote:

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If the insurance companies claim they should be reimbursed because Avandia caused problems AND GSK agrees to pay them isn't GSK in effect claiming guilt for our medical issues?

P.S. Merck acknowledge vioxx problem overtime, Gsk has not acknowledge problem of avandia.

[killedjoe]

Jill wrote:

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If the insurance companies claim they should be reimbursed because Avandia caused problems AND GSK agrees to pay them isn't GSK in effect claiming guilt for our medical issues?

No. paying settlement for the same reason it is paying us. When funds are paid, you'll sign a statement saying Gsk is not responsible for your medical problems. The insurance companies will do the same.

[karendchris]

Just talked to Kelly at Taylor firm in Alabama, waiting on GSK to release money. Not sure it will be done by Christmas.

[Obama Rocks]

Jill wrote:

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If the insurance companies claim they should be reimbursed because Avandia caused problems AND GSK agrees to pay them isn't GSK in effect claiming guilt for our medical issues?

GSK is not paying them; we are! GSK will pay our claims, and the money to be paid to Humana and others will come from there...OBAMA RULES!!!

[perkz]

last tuesday in paper work from attorneys, said gsk had already placed money into attorneys account for them. judge has to award points then we sign and money is waiting.

[dwd]

Who else is going too put thier hand in the pot? The mailman for handle fee.

[perkz]

dwd, if anyone gets enough for a mcdouble cheeseburger and tells anyone, they will try to get it. if you can get fries they will pry be cold and soggy!!! life goes on and on.

[Obama Rocks]

killedjoe wrote:

<quoted text> No. paying settlement for the same reason it is paying us. When funds are paid, you'll sign a statement saying Gsk is not responsible for your medical problems. The insurance companies will do the same.

Hey Killedjoe, Giants, 16, Redskins, 17!...OBAMA RULES!!!

[killedjoe]

Obama Rocks wrote:

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Hey Killedjoe, Giants, 16, Redskins, 17!...OBAMA RULES!!!

I thought that was you, WBBJ. Do you have Billie's email. If you do, let him know were we are.

[Obama Rocks]

killedjoe wrote:

<quoted text> I thought that was you, WBBJ. Do you have Billie's email. If you do, let him know were we are.

I do not have Billie's email address, but I think Longhair does!...OBAMA RULES!!!