Factbox: Cocktail of sedatives killed Jackson

A bottle of the anaesthetic drug Propofol is pictured at Good Samaritan Hospital in Los Angeles July 31, 2009.

[Liga]

How did Michael Jackson find such a Quack to make him his doctor??! He fed him all those drugs with no hesitation? I mean, MJ was a millionaire, he could afford to hire anyone.
God, mea culpa, but i DO HATE Conrad.

[BillyDaKid09]

Wacko was shopping for a doctor feelgood who would give him the drugs he wanted. Good doctors wouldn't put up with his crap. No amount of money will buy a good doctor. What did you expect. I'm sure he went through the list of doctors until he found one that would do what he wanted.

[Liga]

BillyDaKid09 wrote:

Wacko was shopping for a doctor feelgood who would give him the drugs he wanted. Good doctors wouldn't put up with his crap. No amount of money will buy a good doctor. What did you expect. I'm sure he went through the list of doctors until he found one that would do what he wanted.

Michael was an addict. We will never be able to fully understand his acts unless we go through the same. I am about Conrad... Don't docs in States have Hipocratic oath? I hope he rots in jail lying on his licence.

[BillyDaKid09]

Liga wrote:

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Michael was an addict. We will never be able to fully understand his acts unless we go through the same. I am about Conrad... Don't docs in States have Hipocratic oath? I hope he rots in jail lying on his licence.

So you will excuse Wacko and damn the doctor?

[Gail]

That doctor is going to jail just like the people who were giving Anna Nicole Smith drugs and than her b/f was actually dumb enough to film her high as a kite on Christmas Day she could barely open gifts and than their was that clown make-up for a party,stoned out of her mind.Luckily she died in the states b/c the investigation was thorough.
It was sad b/c everyone just felt Anna was just some bimbo who married some real old millionaire for his cash but she is still a person.Look at the people she surrounded herself with..
And then her son died on the day he vistied her with his new born sister.I speculate her lover had something to do with that and made it look like her son did an OD.
Drugs,drugs everywhere..and who gets rich the drug companies.Their needs to be a serious crackdown on drugs.Just a pop a pill,you'll be fine.The devil;s candy

[Liga]

BillyDaKid09 wrote:

<quoted text>So you will excuse Wacko and damn the doctor?

Yes, I will.
When I was a stupid teen I had an idea to try drugs. I mean, you live only once, so you have to try everything. Thank God I was stopped by friends, they said, you never know how will your body respond. For some people there is no way back anymore, even if its just a weed. I believe Michael, being so emotionally and mentally fragile, was one of those. He was in trouble, and when we get in trouble we are looking for a helping hand of a doc. There is no excuse for Quack, he was a doctor and shoud have acted like one, no matter what.

[Yada]

BillyDaKid09 wrote:

Wacko was shopping for a doctor feelgood who would give him the drugs he wanted. Good doctors wouldn't put up with his crap. No amount of money will buy a good doctor. What did you expect. I'm sure he went through the list of doctors until he found one that would do what he wanted.

Drug addicts have rights. Drug addicts can be murdered, die of cancer and car wrecks. So it does not matter what MJ may or may not have wanted.

When Murray contracted to become his personal doctor there were terms of agreement. Murray apparently, did not grasp what those terms were or meant. He failed in his duty all the way around.

When one signs as the personal physician, said takes over all care for the patient. Here's what you have to do. You lay down the deal breakers of the contract which includes other prescribers besides yourself. You oversee all treatment. If your patient needs specialty care you arrange them and accompany to treatment so that you control what is being done. You control what they can have at pharmacies especially controlled drugs. You can as you have the medical authority, legal authority and a pharmacy board that tells you who prescribed what, when and where it was filled.
Murray failed at all of the above.

When you are personal doctor and you have delivered a round of treatment for some diagnosis, in this case, "insomnia"- which is not a diagnosis, actually- and it fails, you seek the underlying cause and rethink your diagnosis. You can employ tests and other experts to sort it out. You don't keep adding more and more rounds of treatment of the same failed kind like an idiot. Then to top of a night of idiocy our boy Murray then decided to anesthetize the victim/patient. Murray is no expert on anesthesia. Obviously, he was a most ignorant pharmacologist as a doctor.

Dumbas$ should have said "no Michael, lack of a night's sleep won't kill you but certain drugs can. Besides you don't have an ordinary or mild bout of sleep problems, you have something greater underlying this and I'll set you up for the proper investigation in a few hours".

No, Murray gets to and should be penalized for the death of his patient at his own hands as he himself administered the drugs that caused the death of said patient for a conditon that was not terminal in any way. His judgment was worse than his celeb victim, sadly.

[hewaswacko]

Yada you are really dumb. Why don't you try what MJ did. Can't wait to see the results when the stick a body tag on your big dirty toe.

[Pricey]

Look the USA is a pill popping nation with little or no control. You pay your MD and expect a pill for every ill. Time for single payer instead of greedy drug companies and greedy Doctors.

A little bit of socialism not elitism would do you all some good! Health care should not be capitalist but a Social System non profit.

I've used private medical services in the UK (yes we are following the US lead as usual). An eye infection so I saw a specialist private GP who lanced the area then scripted me antibiotics for 3 months. The GP 'specialist' that attended didn't solve the problem not even remotely.

I eventually went to my NHS GP who was disgusted and couldn't fathom why I was on that medication let alone for 3 months. He sent me to an NHS Hospital and the infection was lanced and cured within 2 weeks without any antibiotics.

Health care is about social welfare not corporate greed!

Excuse the outburts but I'm disgusted by the fact the wealthy get to jump the queue!

[Yada]

hewaswacko wrote:

Yada you are really dumb. Why don't you try what MJ did. Can't wait to see the results when the stick a body tag on your big dirty toe.

Beg your pardon. What is it you disagreed with in my comment exactly? Was it the standard of care that Murray did not follow? Pray, educate us all.

[hewaswacko]

BillyDaKid09 wrote:

<quoted text>So you will excuse Wacko and damn the doctor?

Yup, no morals is why.

[hewaswacko]

Yada wrote:

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Beg your pardon. What is it you disagreed with in my comment exactly? Was it the standard of care that Murray did not follow? Pray, educate us all.

What rules did Mj follow? MJ had the care he begged for. What proper proceedure is in place for a junky who took other drugs without the knowledge of Dr. Murray? Do tell.

[hewaswacko]

Gail wrote:

That doctor is going to jail just like the people who were giving Anna Nicole Smith drugs and than her b/f was actually dumb enough to film her high as a kite on Christmas Day she could barely open gifts and than their was that clown make-up for a party,stoned out of her mind.Luckily she died in the states b/c the investigation was thorough.
It was sad b/c everyone just felt Anna was just some bimbo who married some real old millionaire for his cash but she is still a person.Look at the people she surrounded herself with..
And then her son died on the day he vistied her with his new born sister.I speculate her lover had something to do with that and made it look like her son did an OD.
Drugs,drugs everywhere..and who gets rich the drug companies.Their needs to be a serious crackdown on drugs.Just a pop a pill,you'll be fine.The devil;s candy

Blah, blah, blah..you are a broken record. You must have OCD or something. Just because you keep typing the same shite over and over will never make it so. I think they should start the crack down on drugs with you. Stop the excuses fool. Only drug addicts do that.

[Yada]

hewaswacko wrote:

<quoted text>What rules did Mj follow? MJ had the care he begged for. What proper proceedure is in place for a junky who took other drugs without the knowledge of Dr. Murray? Do tell.

That's what I have educated you about.
It matters not whether MJ was on death row as a serial killer, Murray still cannot lawfully end MJ's life. That is the point you have to grasp. Criminals and drug addicts have the same legal protections as everybody else.

Murray could have known and should have known. DOctors have access to a database that tells them what controlled drugs were prescribed by which doctor and where they were filled. Murray should consulted that as part of contracting to be a personal physician. He didn't. Not only did he not, but he went way outside of his area of expertise in injecting and adminstering benzodiazepines to the victim, in a manner consistent with lack of knowledge of how the drugs work. Then he added the final nail by anesthetizing the victim to his death.

If you don't grasp this I can't help you further. And I cannot help people using various pseudonyms to play devil's advocate and shite, either. Good luck.

[Amber]

Dr. Murray was hired because he was willing to give MJ what he wanted. MJ started using Propofol though way back in the early 90's. Someone turned him on to that and introduced him to that drug and told him they would sell it to him and help him administer it outside of a hospital. MJ had a lot of people go in and out of his life. When he did not get what he wanted or someone rubbed him the wrong way, he cut them off, out and away from his life. I am sure lots of people were fired just because they did not want to do what Jackson wanted if it was illegal or immoral. Others may not have been willing to keep his secrets. I think we are going to find stuff out about MJ as the years go by. Once his kids reach age and can speak freely about what they witnessed growing up or how their life was, I am sure we will find out. I like millions of others around the world loved MJ (and still do) and was devestated by his loss, but MJ was a drug addict and he also had other very destructive obsessive and compulsive disorders and he is ultimately responsible for his death. He may not have inserted the IV with the propofol and then left the room while his heart stopped which caused him to die, but he wanted the drug. He demanded the drug and he was willing to take the drug no matter what the cost.
If it had not been Dr. Murray then there would be another doctor cause there are always crooked, money hungry people out there who will stop at nothing and MJ would have gone to the ends of the earth to find that doctor.

[Liga]

Amber wrote:

I like millions of others around the world loved MJ (and still do) and was devestated by his loss, but MJ was a drug addict and he also had other very destructive obsessive and compulsive disorders and he is ultimately responsible for his death.
If it had not been Dr. Murray then there would be another doctor cause there are always crooked, money hungry people out there who will stop at nothing and MJ would have gone to the ends of the earth to find that doctor.

We cannot put the words "addict" and "doctor" in the same line when we talk about the responsibility. Come on! Addict is a result of an irreversible process, someone who cannot control it anymore, someone who needs a help. Doctor is a responsible professional and his goal in life is to help people.

[BillyDaKid09]

Liga wrote:

<quoted text>
We cannot put the words "addict" and "doctor" in the same line when we talk about the responsibility. Come on! Addict is a result of an irreversible process, someone who cannot control it anymore, someone who needs a help. Doctor is a responsible professional and his goal in life is to help people.

That is taking the responsibility off of the addict. Addiction is a result of abusing a substance. The addict has a choice to continue using or seek help from variety of sources. Wacko chose to continue his addiction rather than get help through an established program. He wasn't trying to kick his addiction. He shopped doctors till he found one that would keep him supplied with drugs. He had the money and he had the time to get help but he didn't want help. You don't go looking for a private doctor who will give you what you want, you go to a rehab center and kick the addiction. Addiction is not an "irreversible process"..

[mjwasafraud]

BillyDaKid09 wrote:

<quoted text>That is taking the responsibility off of the addict. Addiction is a result of abusing a substance. The addict has a choice to continue using or seek help from variety of sources. Wacko chose to continue his addiction rather than get help through an established program. He wasn't trying to kick his addiction. He shopped doctors till he found one that would keep him supplied with drugs. He had the money and he had the time to get help but he didn't want help. You don't go looking for a private doctor who will give you what you want, you go to a rehab center and kick the addiction. Addiction is not an "irreversible process"..

Well said. Unfortunately Liga won't get it. She's not smart enough. She'll just sit here making up sorry ass excuses.

MJ paid for his junky ways. Good. It was all his fault.

[mjwasafraud]

Gail wrote:

That doctor is going to jail just like the people who were giving Anna Nicole Smith drugs and than her b/f was actually dumb enough to film her high as a kite on Christmas Day she could barely open gifts and than their was that clown make-up for a party,stoned out of her mind.Luckily she died in the states b/c the investigation was thorough.
It was sad b/c everyone just felt Anna was just some bimbo who married some real old millionaire for his cash but she is still a person.Look at the people she surrounded herself with..
And then her son died on the day he vistied her with his new born sister.I speculate her lover had something to do with that and made it look like her son did an OD.
Drugs,drugs everywhere..and who gets rich the drug companies.Their needs to be a serious crackdown on drugs.Just a pop a pill,you'll be fine.The devil;s candy

I predict a small cramped jail cell for you.

[nina]

Liga wrote:

How did Michael Jackson find such a Quack to make him his doctor??! He fed him all those drugs with no hesitation? I mean, MJ was a millionaire, he could afford to hire anyone.
God, mea culpa, but i DO HATE Conrad.

yes, and what Pedo Pan wanted to hire was a doctor who would give him the drugs he wanted

he wasn't looking for real medical care, as there's no conditions that require that drug combo