Methadone clinic could cause problems

[nobody]

perhaps wrote:

This was just sent to me in an email and I think it deserves to be passed on:
This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as you will. You can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever; in it's place is something that you left behind...let it be something good

What you think is good isn't what I think of as good.I will use this day for good to help any addict that truely want's to get sober to be sober.How many addict's have you taken off of the streat and feed them clothed them and given them a place to stay?Try it sometime it workes it keeps me humble and helpes me stay on the right track.SOBER!!!

[Psyche]

mugwah wrote:

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i'm sure you have credentials coming out your ass but your people skills certainly leave alot to be desired. i am not the least bit interested in being "educated" by you if that requires me to either kiss your ass or your ring. i'm not interested in scabbeling around in the dirt for your pearls. i'm sure i would be a lost cause given the fact that i only have a gr.8, remember? i think the fact that someone such as youself with all you education and insight would blame others for your own outbursts and not see that that projection on your part, might just sugest a deeper issue that needs to be looked at. just to be clear, you are a concieted bully who gets some perverse enjoyment in dumping on those you consider to be your lessers, which seems to be just about everyone. am i willing to damce for your enjoyment not really but if you have a question you can ask. try not to insult and belittle the communittee members who are looking to you for some help. it doesm't do anyone any good and it makes you look like the prick you are. so ask me a question.

I enjoy belittling little smartass pricks like you because of a deep seated hatred for ignorant jackasses, so you're entirely correct on your point that it's an issue that I should consider about himself.

[hey]

nobody wrote:

<quoted text>UNITE said Puplicly that they were against a clinic comeing to Somerset get you're fact's straight!!!It was in the Common Wealth jurnal

I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THE POST YOU WERE REFERRING TO IT SAY THAT UNITE WAS FOR THE CLINIC TO OPEN! IT SAID THAT UNITE DIDN'T HAVE ANYMORE GRANT MONEY FOR 2-3 MONTHS, AND IF SOMEONE COULD WAIT 2-3 MONTHS ON TREATMENT, THEY COULD QUIT THEMSELVES WITHOUT TREATMENT. IT ALSO STATED THAT DETOX CENTERS WANTED 2500 UP FRONT FOR JUST A FEW DAYS OF TREATMENT.MAYBE YOU SHOULD REREAD THE POST.

[mugwah]

Psyche wrote:

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I enjoy belittling little smartass pricks like you because of a deep seated hatred for ignorant jackasses, so you're entirely correct on your point that it's an issue that I should consider about himself.

yeah, good luck on that.

[nobody]

hey wrote:

<quoted text>I DIDN'T SEE ANYWHERE IN THE POST YOU WERE REFERRING TO IT SAY THAT UNITE WAS FOR THE CLINIC TO OPEN! IT SAID THAT UNITE DIDN'T HAVE ANYMORE GRANT MONEY FOR 2-3 MONTHS, AND IF SOMEONE COULD WAIT 2-3 MONTHS ON TREATMENT, THEY COULD QUIT THEMSELVES WITHOUT TREATMENT. IT ALSO STATED THAT DETOX CENTERS WANTED 2500 UP FRONT FOR JUST A FEW DAYS OF TREATMENT.MAYBE YOU SHOULD REREAD THE POST.

Maybe I did what you do Make it say what I want it to say.Also why don't we get on a topic instead of you just picking around and going over stuff a 100 times to find something wrong with it.How about how many people get sober after 3 years on MMT.OR what about ourselfes like me I'm sober now have been for 4 day's how about you when do you or should I say If you ever plan on geting off of MEthadone.Or what is the dif in Methadone and OXy's in the body or brain you can choise if you want too.Let's get it started or do you just want to make dumb ass remark's like you do instend of tackling a topic!!Please don't wait till I'm asleep to come up with something.

[TLc]

Patty wrote:

I quit methadone cold turky. this is day 11. Still not 100% yet, when will I be?

Iquit and got so sick, lost 60lbs in no time.i was down to 45ml. sory to say i went back to methadone.i wish you the best. ps.if you make it post and let me know how you did it.mabe i am jist lost,mabe no help for me. sory about my spelling.

[perhaps]

mugwah wrote:

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perhaps, please understand i am niether pro or con a methadone clinic for your community, that needs to be your communities choice. not mine, like i keep repeating, i am in hamilton canada and i am not looking for a job, honest. i have no financial intrests in your or any methadone clinic. i have tried to provide information both for and against methadone as well as actions you might take if the clinic does open, like trying to get someong on the board who is sypathetic to your communities interests. please if you have any other questions you would like to ask that might reassure you of my reasons for being here, please just ask. be well.

Thank you for your thoughtful response to me. I actually live in Pikeville and the clinic in question is in Somerset. I don't know why it wound up on this board. Pikeville has a clinic as does Paintsville which is only about forty miles from here. My only support for the presence of a clinic is that it does offer hope and help for many. I just believe that we need as many options as possible for people who are addicted, whether that be rehabs or some sort of medication assisted treatment. The same form of treatment does not seem to work for everyone. I appreciate your assistance and willingness to discuss this in a civil manner.
Now please don't join in with the others who have chosen to tell me to go f myself. Wow, sixty years old and that is the first time I have ever been talked to with such vulgarity. Ah well, guess it relieved some stress for some.
Have a good evening. I have things that I have to go do tonight.

[perhaps]

TLc wrote:

<quoted text>Iquit and got so sick, lost 60lbs in no time.i was down to 45ml. sory to say i went back to methadone.i wish you the best. ps.if you make it post and let me know how you did it.mabe i am jist lost,mabe no help for me. sory about my spelling.

Don't ever give up. Just do your taper slower.

[Psyche]

TLc wrote:

<quoted text>Iquit and got so sick, lost 60lbs in no time.i was down to 45ml. sory to say i went back to methadone.i wish you the best. ps.if you make it post and let me know how you did it.mabe i am jist lost,mabe no help for me. sory about my spelling.

Quitting cold turkey is not good for you. You need to taper and possibly take some short acting narcotics and other adjunct medications to get you through the withdrawals until your endorphin system can recover and your other brain neurotransmitters come into balance.

[TLc]

perhaps wrote:

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Thank you for your thoughtful response to me. I actually live in Pikeville and the clinic in question is in Somerset. I don't know why it wound up on this board. Pikeville has a clinic as does Paintsville which is only about forty miles from here. My only support for the presence of a clinic is that it does offer hope and help for many. I just believe that we need as many options as possible for people who are addicted, whether that be rehabs or some sort of medication assisted treatment. The same form of treatment does not seem to work for everyone. I appreciate your assistance and willingness to discuss this in a civil manner.
Now please don't join in with the others who have chosen to tell me to go f myself. Wow, sixty years old and that is the first time I have ever been talked to with such vulgarity. Ah well, guess it relieved some stress for some.
Have a good evening. I have things that I have to go do tonight.

i live in pikevill to.

[nobody]

TLc wrote:

<quoted text>Iquit and got so sick, lost 60lbs in no time.i was down to 45ml. sory to say i went back to methadone.i wish you the best. ps.if you make it post and let me know how you did it.mabe i am jist lost,mabe no help for me. sory about my spelling.

Sweatheart as long as you are brething there is hope!!!Smile enjoy today and get on a stable dose then ween down as slow or as fast as you're body will let you.good luck!!I would read all of Patty's post I think the woman has mental issues.SHe didn't go cold either she weened down for a year at least!!If you live in ky you can go to the TRillum CENTER in CORBIN KY and they will detox you and get you started on Subutex.Athough don't stay on SUbutex longher then a few month;s !!!PEACe AND LOVE !!!

[nobody]

TLc wrote:

<quoted text>Iquit and got so sick, lost 60lbs in no time.i was down to 45ml. sory to say i went back to methadone.i wish you the best. ps.if you make it post and let me know how you did it.mabe i am jist lost,mabe no help for me. sory about my spelling.

as long as you are brething you have hope don't give up.Patty didn't go cold either read allof her post.If you live in Ky go to the TRillum CENTER IN CORBIN KY they will detox you and start you on Subutex.Athough don't stay on that more then o few month's we all go into dif dir but end up the same place SOBER!!!

[hey]

nobody wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe I did what you do Make it say what I want it to say.Also why don't we get on a topic instead of you just picking around and going over stuff a 100 times to find something wrong with it.How about how many people get sober after 3 years on MMT.OR what about ourselfes like me I'm sober now have been for 4 day's how about you when do you or should I say If you ever plan on geting off of MEthadone.Or what is the dif in Methadone and OXy's in the body or brain you can choise if you want too.Let's get it started or do you just want to make dumb ass remark's like you do instend of tackling a topic!!Please don't wait till I'm asleep to come up with something.

wow, you have been off subtex for 4 days. i have to say that is quite an accomplishment. you were on a drug to keep you from having the symptoms of withdraw just like me, really, there is NO DIFFERENCE!but, now that you are 4 days clean, i guess you can start the preaching of how bad it is to be treated with medicine for the symptoms, but that is right, you have been holier-than-thou the whole time because you were on a different drug for the same thing.yes, i do plan on getting off the medicine when the time is right, but i have never been happier in my life than i am right now. i have never felt more secure in sobriety than i have been at this moment. so, no, i am not ready to stop, i am going to just keep enjoying the accomplishments that i have made since i have been in the clinic. i have been sober/clean the entire time. i have passed ALL of my drug tests, and am doing just exactly what i am supposed to, so i can say i am pretty happy with my situation. thanks for asking.

[Debrinconcita]

I don't care about all this drama and insulting each other. I just wanted to say, it would be a good thing to try and help any addict's that wanted to get off of heroin or any other opiate addiction problems. They certainly need all the help that they can get. From the whole community. If you don't support their treatment efforts, they might committ a crime near by, closer than you would like? It's better to get them some help to stop using, whenever possible. That's what I think!

[mike1975]

Debrinconcita wrote:

I don't care about all this drama and insulting each other. I just wanted to say, it would be a good thing to try and help any addict's that wanted to get off of heroin or any other opiate addiction problems. They certainly need all the help that they can get. From the whole community. If you don't support their treatment efforts, they might committ a crime near by, closer than you would like? It's better to get them some help to stop using, whenever possible. That's what I think!

This would be great, in a world where every addict wanted to get off of heroin or any other opiate. Where every addict hated getting high, and saw it as something they hated. I'm not sure what world that would be, but it's not this one. And until it is, I believe there is MUCH work to be done in deciding what we are doing is the right thing. HARM REDUCTION is a term. Nothing more. HARM REDUCTION could be used to describe killing 18 people instead of 19. It's a let-down to all involved. Not nearly as much benefit in addiction treatment as proclaimed. MMT is mMt for a reason. That reason is, when compared to other abstinence-based modalities (where abstinence is the goal), MMT has about half the success rate. There is the highest rate of retention in treatment, which could be compared to those actively using, but a smaller success rate in achieving abstinence. There's a reason for that, people.

For everyone out there who thinks they are doing something different biochemically by being on methadone, sorry. You've been lied to. You are still not allowing natural production to take place. Just doesn't happen. Methadone is taking the place of what was keeping you in withdrawal. UNTIL natural endorphin production is what is keeping you out of withdrawal, what you are doing matters not. Whether it be methadone, oxys, heroin, hydros, or whatever, it doesn't matter. It all serves the same purpose. Everything else is just lies and sales pitches. Opioids are opioids, whether natural or synthetic. And they do the same thing in the brain, where ALL of this is realized.

[mysticcherokee]

Is methadone like opiates and pain killers, in that it doesnt get RID of physical or emotional pain. It just makes you not care as much about either real or perceived discomfort.Cause my pain is all up in the "perceived", making it no less realor uncomfortable, if that makes sense.Yes, Ive read about the natural endorphins, and thats dead on what you said. It takes a while for the artificial process to go away and let the brain do the same thing, au natural. There is a thing called "rebound effect" from medicine and I cant wrap my brain around what role that might play with methadone, but Im wondering if it does. Hey Mike 1975! mystic i need oatmeal

[nobody]

hey wrote:

<quoted text>wow, you have been off subtex for 4 days. i have to say that is quite an accomplishment. you were on a drug to keep you from having the symptoms of withdraw just like me, really, there is NO DIFFERENCE!but, now that you are 4 days clean, i guess you can start the preaching of how bad it is to be treated with medicine for the symptoms, but that is right, you have been holier-than-thou the whole time because you were on a different drug for the same thing.yes, i do plan on getting off the medicine when the time is right, but i have never been happier in my life than i am right now. i have never felt more secure in sobriety than i have been at this moment. so, no, i am not ready to stop, i am going to just keep enjoying the accomplishments that i have made since i have been in the clinic. i have been sober/clean the entire time. i have passed ALL of my drug tests, and am doing just exactly what i am supposed to, so i can say i am pretty happy with my situation. thanks for asking.

I have been 100% truthfull about me being on Subutex and that I wasn't clean.Also Why would I get MEthadone off of the street and not Subutex?Subutex is alot dif then Methadone Why don't you switch and you wuold be able to tell the dif.Athough you won't get those side effect's that you like so much with Methadone So I'd say you'll stay right were you are.Also what have you done dif you haven't been sober have you helped are even tryied to help anouther addict to get sober it might be hard if you're not sober you'reself though.Have you found something that is stronger then you to help you out?Have you said or talked about how powerless you are over drug's I'd say not you are still using.
Our have you made admend's to the people that you have hurt?THe only thing that you realy have to change is everything.Have you stoped hanging around people that still use oh sorry you stll go to the clinic tell me something that you have changed besides geting you're drug's from the clinic instead of the street with you're hapit of 50-100.00 a day hapit you went from a small habit to a really big one.I'd say you are just fine were you are you're still getting high and you know that you will have you're drug's everyday that mean's alot not haveing to run the streets.Athough if they gave you what you were geting onb the street everyday you would feel just as good as you do now.
Why don't you really do something to change like swith to Subutex our how about making up for all the thing's you have done while you were useing sorry you are still useing.Well how about a topix?Even though I have alot today with the family and I don't have to stop and get a dose once are twice aday.I'm Free and I'm going to change the thing's that got me to use in the first place!!!GOD BLESS

[nobody]

Also how about you go to a N/A meeting today and just sit there and here the message of recovery instend of the lies about Methadone.Our you could grow some ball's and go to meeting's everyday and tell them how sober you are while you are still taking Methadone.They will say keep coming back!!!THen if you do keep comeing back you will be doing something to change you're self and maybe start you're recovery.
I don't think you would do any of that becouse you aren't really wanting to recover you just want to be able to get you're drug's everyday and get them cheaper that's all.No recovery just the same thing.IF nothing chages nothing changes,
Why don't you try to do something maybe go to church a meeting help anouther addict .Oh sorry you are still the same self centerd drug addit as you have alway's been.Please tell me If you decide to help someone are do something
If you really think that you are sober although i don't understand that while you are still taking Methadone but anyway's Pay back the people you stole from if you took money fron you're family get a job and pay it back.Last but not least help anouther addicit.WE can only keep what we have by giveing it away.PLEASE GO TO A N/A MEETING no joke really try it it might really help you.Good lUCK!!!

[nobody]

mike1975 wrote:

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This would be great, in a world where every addict wanted to get off of heroin or any other opiate. Where every addict hated getting high, and saw it as something they hated. I'm not sure what world that would be, but it's not this one. And until it is, I believe there is MUCH work to be done in deciding what we are doing is the right thing. HARM REDUCTION is a term. Nothing more. HARM REDUCTION could be used to describe killing 18 people instead of 19. It's a let-down to all involved. Not nearly as much benefit in addiction treatment as proclaimed. MMT is mMt for a reason. That reason is, when compared to other abstinence-based modalities (where abstinence is the goal), MMT has about half the success rate. There is the highest rate of retention in treatment, which could be compared to those actively using, but a smaller success rate in achieving abstinence. There's a reason for that, people.
For everyone out there who thinks they are doing something different biochemically by being on methadone, sorry. You've been lied to. You are still not allowing natural production to take place. Just doesn't happen. Methadone is taking the place of what was keeping you in withdrawal. UNTIL natural endorphin production is what is keeping you out of withdrawal, what you are doing matters not. Whether it be methadone, oxys, heroin, hydros, or whatever, it doesn't matter. It all serves the same purpose. Everything else is just lies and sales pitches. Opioids are opioids, whether natural or synthetic. And they do the same thing in the brain, where ALL of this is realized.

Thank you for really trying to undrestand this issue and telling the truth may be If there were more people like you on this form we might be able to stop one are many addict's from falling for the clinic's lies. If the Methadone clinic told the truth and tryedto get peole off asp maybe we would have more people sober today.Methadone has been around forever and there are just as many addict's today as before if not more.MMT dosen't work!!!!

[Psyche]

nobody wrote:

<quoted text>Thank you for really trying to undrestand this issue and telling the truth may be If there were more people like you on this form we might be able to stop one are many addict's from falling for the clinic's lies. If the Methadone clinic told the truth and tryedto get peole off asp maybe we would have more people sober today.Methadone has been around forever and there are just as many addict's today as before if not more.MMT dosen't work!!!!

It would work much better if the intent was to stabilize the patient concurrent with receiving intensive psychosocial counseling (i.e. N/A) with active involvement of the physician in weaning, utilizing other adjunct medications as deemed necessary during the weaning process to mitigate withdrawal symptoms, instead of simply allowing the patient to be maintained on a prolonged and often lifetime maintenance schedule with little or no effort at weaning. Suboxone or other short acting opiates could also be used as a bridge prior to complete abstinence. Some of the newer classes of antidepressants which elevate serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine levels could also be used as adjuncts along with some of the newer nootropics which enhance brain function while awaiting restoration of balance of the endorphin system. This would require a concerted effort between a psychopharmacologist, a behavioral psychologist, and a psychiatrist, as well as other counselors if something like this would ever be put into practice.