Methadone clinic could cause problems

[Quebert]

There's a simple problem with the whole that can't be resolved equitably, that's the problem of a community being forced by the government to take in a supposedly private enterprise, whose BUSINESS is "drug treatments" except the way this business manages to make its profits seems out of wack with normal business projections. Meanwhile, the community takes in it the pocketbook for all the externalized costs while the "business owners" take the profits. Not a deal for us.

[Quebert]

Strange that all these years all of your were so concerned about addicts that none of you brought in a NGO or a 501C NOT FOR PROFIT group, nor did anyone VOLUNTEER to set up a clinic for addicts, but we have SO MANY dedicated persons (it seems) lined up for this PRIVATE PROFITEERING CARPETBAGGER to come in at the community's expense. You see, A FOR PROFIT BUSINESS isn't about helping people, IT'S ABOUT PROFITS! Meanwhile we, the stupid, backwards, hicks y'all comment about, are supposed to foot the bills for your "successful" business. Except your business doesn't make enough to cover its own bills, please tell me how this clinic is going to cover it's cost with gross revenues of less than 500k a year? As for the people of Somerset, I guess we should just accept the trucking in of other communities criminals in exchange for the "benefits" we get from having this rat trap here. If the clinic has to "serve" an area with something like a 100 mile radius around Pulaski County in order to get a large enough base to survive (which I still haven't seen any financial numbers that say it could)just what's in it for the residents that we should go for it? And when this white elephant fails to cover it's bills, will it leave? Of course not, "social aids" never die, they just get bigger and eat more resources, no matter how little they actually accomplish, this doesn't even begin to deal with the very real facts that no community where these clinics operate have ever seen a reduction in drug use. But it's easier for the pro clinic party, which on these very boards have included paid members of the company seeking to come here, to try ad hominem attacks while never answering the questions. You're criminals and you are not welcome in our homes, period.

[Quebert]

Let's add some questions you have no answers for. Our community is a long established tourist area, just what kind of results do you think we'll get for our investment in your clinic? We have many long standing local businesses already here in Pulaski County, guess we should just ask them to take the financial hits so your clinic can do business. Yeah, you see we're sooo ignorant, of what the real deal is with your pack of filth, that's why we don't want you in OUR COMMUNITY, OURS, GET IT?

[noname]

Do you know why UNITE dosn't pay for Methadone becouse they know that it dosen't work.If people want to get really sober they can get ahold of UNITE and they will pay for in house treatment.Witch has a high rate of people staying sober.The in house treatment center's people get on Methadone to stay high not sober up.Right Mugwah the guy that wanted to get high off of Subutex I bet you could hook him right up with MMT.That is what he want's and you told him to contact you right.You make a liveing off of other peoples MISERY!!! That is what you do the only people that want a clinc in Somerset our the addict's that are all ready addicted to Methadone.They are high and don't have a clue and people that work our own a clinc.Magwah has already said that the side effect's are nodding out,nubness,duling you're sense,That is the reason we as addict's use in the first place so they put you on Methadone so you can just keep on using.So that addict's can get out or realty.So they don't have to face life on lifes term's.Also the people that goes to the clinc how do they pay?Most sell some of there take homes and yes I have seen alot of liquid Methadone on the street it is really cheaper then pill form.About half the price as long as it has a seal on it the addict's Know that it hasn't been tampered with.WE have a clinc in Corbin KY and also a few more how many clincs do we need in KY?Do we really need one in Somerset when we already have 3-4 already in KY.ALso if you don't live here in Somerset you have no reason to even be on this form!!!THere our people that live in Somerset and most don't want a clinc.OR police force is against it,the Mayor,HAl RODGER"S,UNITE,These our the people that really care about Somerset.Wouldn't you think that if we needed a clinc Unite would be for it not agaist it? Wouldn't the Mayor,HOw about the Police Force THey see what is really going on in our town not someone from CANADA!!!METHADONE KILL"S AND RUIN LIVES!!!

[quebert]

jww wrote:

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I take 320mg of Done a day, and I bet you I make at least 200 grand more than you each year....now who do you think is a more productive citizen? lol

Since you're still an addict, and can't function without drugs, you're not even in the class of a man. LOSER.

[mugwah]

you guys are just re-hashing old sh*t here, when i laid out what to do if you have a problem with this clinic comming ionto town. instead of just saying the tiered and tiering old misinformed nomsense why aren't you planning a takeoner or a picket or a presentation to city counsel? or is this what you do on a saturday night, get a few bears and feel sorry for yourselves?

[new01]

Be nice guys, only Euphoria i got was when they bumped me up 10mg or so, then i would get sleepy. Right now euphoria is the last thing that is happening, and this is on a relatively low stable dose, then again that's normal right?

[hey]

Quebert wrote:

There's a simple problem with the whole that can't be resolved equitably, that's the problem of a community being forced by the government to take in a supposedly private enterprise, whose BUSINESS is "drug treatments" except the way this business manages to make its profits seems out of wack with normal business projections. Meanwhile, the community takes in it the pocketbook for all the externalized costs while the "business owners" take the profits. Not a deal for us.

what are the externalized costs are you referring to?

[hey]

SOUTHERN HOSTILITY wrote:

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Deb,I was on Methadone for 6 years so kiss my ass,Ok?I'm trying to diagnose nothing,I'm speaking from first hand experience and I NEVER combined Methadone with anything.There is euphoria in improper dosing of it..why else do people nod off and have the inability to speak at times?So STFU with being a smart ass towards me because I called as I saw it actually happen.

as long as i have been on methadone i have never, ever had the inability to speak. i don't know what you are even talking about. the nodding off you are talking about, yeah, when i first started, i would get sleepy, but the longer that i was there the less sleepy that i became. now, i can't even tell i take it.i just feel normal. i don't get sleepy, or the eurphoric feeling you are talking about at all.i know alot about the methadone treatment, i have been on it a long time. it has changed my life, and i do not stay blowed away, or high, all the time either. you are completely mistaken.

[hey]

noname wrote:

Do you know why UNITE dosn't pay for Methadone becouse they know that it dosen't work.If people want to get really sober they can get ahold of UNITE and they will pay for in house treatment.Witch has a high rate of people staying sober.The in house treatment center's people get on Methadone to stay high not sober up.Right Mugwah the guy that wanted to get high off of Subutex I bet you could hook him right up with MMT.That is what he want's and you told him to contact you right.You make a liveing off of other peoples MISERY!!! That is what you do the only people that want a clinc in Somerset our the addict's that are all ready addicted to Methadone.They are high and don't have a clue and people that work our own a clinc.Magwah has already said that the side effect's are nodding out,nubness,duling you're sense,That is the reason we as addict's use in the first place so they put you on Methadone so you can just keep on using.So that addict's can get out or realty.So they don't have to face life on lifes term's.Also the people that goes to the clinc how do they pay?Most sell some of there take homes and yes I have seen alot of liquid Methadone on the street it is really cheaper then pill form.About half the price as long as it has a seal on it the addict's Know that it hasn't been tampered with.WE have a clinc in Corbin KY and also a few more how many clincs do we need in KY?Do we really need one in Somerset when we already have 3-4 already in KY.ALso if you don't live here in Somerset you have no reason to even be on this form!!!THere our people that live in Somerset and most don't want a clinc.OR police force is against it,the Mayor,HAl RODGER"S,UNITE,These our the people that really care about Somerset.Wouldn't you think that if we needed a clinc Unite would be for it not agaist it? Wouldn't the Mayor,HOw about the Police Force THey see what is really going on in our town not someone from CANADA!!!METHADONE KILL"S AND RUIN LIVES!!!

again, you don't know what you are talking about!the reason unite doesn't pay for methadone/suboxone treatment is because it is long term treatment, not because they don't believe in its ability to work.also, i would like to see the statistics that you have showing the success rate of inpatient treatment. most of the addicts that go into an inpatient detox get out and continue to use. it doesn't work in most cases. people that get on methadone/suboxone have tried inpatient treatment, most several times, and have gotten on methadone/suboxone because it was the last resort.as for paying for methadone/suboxone treatment, i don't know of anyone that has had to sell their house to pay for the treatment. as a matter of fact, me and my husband will own our house free and clear, within the next year. we can attribute that to the clinic. see, when you get into the clinic, you sign a contract stating that you will get and maintain a job while in treatment. patients are glad to comply with the the contract. that is how they are able to afford treatment. before getting into the clinic addicts spend every dollar on pills, most 50-100 dollars/day. so, paying 100/week is very easy to afford, since you are now able to keep a job because you are not sick all the time. you said that you went to the clinic, but yet again, i find that very hard to believe. if you went to the clinic, you would already know that noone is selling their houses to pay for treatment.they are made to keep a job!yet, another reason that i don't believe that you ever went to the methadone clinic!

[just me]

You are so right on everything you said,i never nodded out i was more sleepy than usual,but other than that i was fine.I have a job now that i have kept for 7 years now.I Could not do that when i was using,so many people judge someone on methadone that really dont know enough about it.And i have known someone that died while on methadone but they also had zanex and valium in there system too.Yes when mixed can be deadly.But i believe if you are truly wanting to change your life you would not be taking anything else.This med does work if you want it to.It has changed my life for the best.

[just me]

my comment was to hey from harold ky

[theres a difference]

theres a difference between taking meds as prescribed and snorting them just like there's a difference in going to the methadone clinic for 2 yrs and coming out clean and being a regular for 5 or six years....

[purdeo]

by the way, the person sees ad r. only when they go in after that a nurse or who ever gives out the meds. not the docter, so my sister could work there and feed me all this crab i wanted.

[mugwah]

if you want it to work, it will work. if you don't want it to work, it wont work so don't even try it. leave the space for someone who really wants it.

and if your not taking it, or not taking it seriousely or have no plans of ever taking it what does it matter who pays for it? remember, this is a "for profit" clinic, no busines womyn in her right mind would open a business if they didn't know it would work/make a profit and unless your a car industy, the government aint gonna bail you out. so your tax dollars are safe, get over it (i think i said that before)!

most of you here are just here to have someone to argue with and some of you just like pickin on strangers who can't whip your ass like you deserve cause it's the net. anyone with a real question or consern about methadone, get it somewhere else this thread has for the most part become a place for game players and a waste of time (except for those few, who know who they are). i'm outta here folks, yu'al are a waste of time!

[Debrinconcita]

Debrinconcita wrote:

<quoted text>Don't worry about who opening a clinic. Worry about how many people will get off drugs and pills if it opens. That's all that matters. The rest of this is all backwash!

I have been posting since I started here. I have never been gone for a couple of weeks. Okay! I am new, and I am on methadone, so I have a reason to be here. Hope bout some of the rest of you folks. Is there a good reason for you to be here!

[obviously]

Debrinconcita wrote:

<quoted text>I have been posting since I started here. I have never been gone for a couple of weeks. Okay! I am new, and I am on methadone, so I have a reason to be here. Hope bout some of the rest of you folks. Is there a good reason for you to be here!

We have to think of the community. If it hurts one good person such as a collision in which an innocent person is hurt then piss on this clinic. Keeping a couple of junkies from going through withdrawals when most are going to revert back to dope, isnt worth one innocent person. The dopeheads in this area have no say. They are the forgotten and uncared.

[Debrinconcita]

doggystyle wrote:

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I'd say almost every man in Pike County has mounted you from behind, like a dog.

Get yourself off somewhere else. Your dirty and discusting. Find another site you loser!

[Debrinconcita]

obviously wrote:

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We have to think of the community. If it hurts one good person such as a collision in which an innocent person is hurt then piss on this clinic. Keeping a couple of junkies from going through withdrawals when most are going to revert back to dope, isnt worth one innocent person. The dopeheads in this area have no say. They are the forgotten and uncared.

Who do you think you are, they have every right to Treatment. All who make judgments on others need to get a clue already. Judge, jury and convictor are you. Who gave to the right to decide for anyone or anybody? Nobody right, leave them alone. Be glad they don't committ anymore crimes in your area. That's what it will help. Don't people understand Addiction is a sickness, not a choice. The need help so they can make other choices! It will only help, how could it hurt anyone for some people to get help? I will never understand your reasoning, your never understand humanity or compassion???

[todoggy]

I'd say she is more of a BJ giver like most pillheads!