Part 1: The problem : Why do we need a methadone program anyway?

[MR MUSIC]

....and 'round here' there is someone to catch you..when where fallin.. http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Mystic]

If I understand it correctly, narcoticws rewire the brain. It takes a while for those same endorphins to be released w/out benefit of the drug, to make a person naturally feel better. Takes a while, and exercise and all the good stuff we can add.If I understand it correctly. Mystic

[MR MUSIC]

Mystic wrote:

If I understand it correctly, narcoticws rewire the brain. It takes a while for those same endorphins to be released w/out benefit of the drug, to make a person naturally feel better. Takes a while, and exercise and all the good stuff we can add.If I understand it correctly. Mystic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_iQFqRzw0cw glad to read you got aid,get going,the road never ends...if we are fortunite...I'd say say welcome back..but you never left...

[MR MUSIC]

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

[Mystic]

MR MUSIC wrote:

<quoted text>http://www.youtube.com/watch... glad to read you got aid,get going,the road never ends...if we are fortunite...I'd say say welcome back..but you never left...

Thanks Eric. Groovin tunes as always. Yer a cool kat, still. Glad to see it. Mystic

[jonnie jackass]

ElittlebitOfMethadone wrote:

I'm thinking of going back on methadone.. it's been god, about 6 months from start to finish and the cravings I'm having are out of control.. After all that trouble of getting off I cant believe I'm considering this, but I'm worried about what might happen.

Grab your Ipod and take a long, fast walk when you get the cravings, it works for me. You've put in too much time and have endured too much to go back now, please keep it at "thoughts" and not "actions", it will pass. It's just the demon kicking you when you're down, ignore the bastard and push on ahead! I'll be keeping a good thought for you. It is a struggle but we can take turns carrying each other and we'll make it together. My best to you....pEaCe

[zenstorm]

LIL BIT, SORRY, I hope i didnt mis-speak..really, as it goes its best to do nothing at all, I just meant if you feel like your going to go back to done, consider subs as an alternative...but truly, if you can through this without anything at all, that is the best BY FAR!!! you dont want to go through any withdrawals for anything, ever agaib, and if i had a choice, i would be off everything, im just in such bad shape, thats all, so im not a good example...just dont want you going down the drone train agaib,,....good luck, sue

[jmb]

If i get on methadone then dont i get addicted to that also? i want a solution where i dont need to become dependant on another drug

[EXmethadone]

jmb,
Yes, with methadone you will only become more severely addicted. There is no drug you can take that will make you become drug free. Detox and abstinence is the only cure for addiction.

[Courtneey]

Sad, but true.

EXmethadone wrote:

jmb,
Yes, with methadone you will only become more severely addicted. There is no drug you can take that will make you become drug free. Detox and abstinence is the only cure for addiction.

[Debrinconcita]

Mark Grizzly wrote:

I used Methodone to get off of Norco/Vicoden in 2006.
The immediate effects were amazing! The withdrawls were 100% non-existant and slowly i was able to get my finances straight.
I have a bone marrow disease (with no insurance) and my Norco/Vicoden habit was out of control.. I would take 20-40 pills a day at around 2-3$ a pill (always bought on the street.)
The Methodone was bought on the streets as well BUT it was $1.00 for a 10mg pill and i would only take 1-2 pills a day (i didnt need more.. That would actually make me nod off with my kolonopin)
So i went from spending $40-$80 a day to spending around $80.00 for over a months supply!!
I did this from May 2006 to August 2008.
The drug DID catch up to me. It turned me into a ZOMBIE.. My job was in sales and i was slipping in every aspect of my life.. I still had money, but i was not happy, so i decided to get off..
It was a true fucking nightmare!!
21 days of diahrea, vomiting, EXTREME pain in my thigh's, feet, hands, knee's.. Headaches, back pains and worst of all i didnt sleep for almost 2 weeks straight!!
I only used Kolonopin to curb the withdrawls, but i finally got over it!!
I didnt have any support from family, friends or even my girlfriend.. It was a nightmare! I decided to quit for a few reasons but the timing was probably the major factor.
I hurt myself at work and i was able to get on workers comp. So i didnt have to work and i had checks coming in (so i wouldnt have to worry about bills/rent).
It took around 2-3 weeks ( i honestly cant remember. The lack of sleep gave me hallucinations and it also made the days blur together.)
If i could do it - YOU CAN DO IT..
I have absolutely NO SELF CONTROL and i fell off about 3 months later and started to use Oxy's (for legitimate pain)
Its been over a year since i've been off the Dones and i can say this much. I've D.T'd 6 times since August 08 (i still havent gotten it to stick) and i can honestly say that Methodone was THE WORST WITHDRAWLS I'VE EVER EXPERIENCED..
PLEASE BE CAREFUL.. I know that the Methododne is AMAZING and it helps ALOT, BUT try not to take it for longer than 2 months..
This shit is a NIGHTMARE to kick.. Dont say i didnt warn ya
Its also DEADLY... I've lost a few friends to drugs, and Methodone is without a doubt the most dangerous. It makes you nod out 4-6 hours after taking a pill. You could take a lethal dose and be cool for hours and then all of a sudden your dieing in your sleep.. If you have pain you need to be honest with yourself and figure out what drug works the best, and what drug wont ruin your life.. When your whole life revolves around getting money to pay for your medication, its time to detox (even if your not gonna go 100% and quit forever, sometimes you need to kick for a month or two just to get your health and finances straight.)
If your gonna use Dones, start out with a small dose and figure out where your gonna top off at.. Its 100 times more dangerous than Oxy (in my opinion) and DONT EVER SHOOT IT.. I know my opinion doesnt mean shit, but sometimes i take peoples advice and if what i wrote helps somebody that would be great..

Sorry Dear but your 1st problem was taking Klonopins, That is why your having withdrawls, your addicted to the Klonopins.NOt the Methadone? Don't make me laugh, that was the big mistake you made is trying to mix the 2 drugs, I see alot of people on Klonopin,they are all Zombies from outerspace. They don't know if there coming or going. It's not the methadone, stop using the klonopins and see what happens. I bet you be normal; for once in your life. Sorry but I have seen it all before, and this is typical addict behavior, trying to use another drug on top of another. Then neither one of them works. Do you have a real doctor?

[Debrinconcita]

Courtneey wrote:

Sad, but true.
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Of course that is true, but we don't need you to tell us that. The reason were on methadone is we tried that already, don't you think? That's not new to anyone! If we could stop cold turkey we wouldn't be on this site. If your so smart what are you doing here. Checking up on who??? Your future???

[Debrinconcita]

jmb wrote:

If i get on methadone then dont i get addicted to that also? i want a solution where i dont need to become dependant on another drug

The Solution is JUST SAY NO! Get it, got it, good! Sorry, but it was a setup right?

[Mark Grizzly]

Hey Debrinconcita - Shut the fuck up.. You dont know what your talking about..
Do you think that your input about the kolonopin helps? Do you think that i didnt take that into consideration?
You probably did.. But why do you care to comment?
I posted up my little struggle with Methodone. When i was kicking i looked all over the net to find people with simular stories about the struggle to help motivate me.. Alot of people just blab and they dont keep it real..
I was just being honest about my ordeal.. I take Kolonopin for Bi-Polar disorder and Anxiety. I can say with 100% confidence that the Kolonopins dont turn me into a zombie.. They kick ass!
The Methodone Fucks you up BAD. That shit will make you miserable. It really will.. Its not a fun drug and it barely helps with my Bone Marrow Disease. Oxy's on the other hand take away my severe pain, They mix REAL NICE with my Benzo's and they give me a jolt of energy/motivation.. Methodone didnt do any of that.. The only positive was that it was a buck a pill and my habit topped out at around 3-4 dollars a day.
The negatives are huge! Everyones body works differently but for me they had some really shitty side effects. They made me very pale. They barely gave me the opiate rush/motivation, over time they started to make me feel VERY zombie-ish.. I would take them and be straight up spacey..

Anyways, whats your story you fat bitch?!
Why are you blasting Courtney? Why do you care if she comes on this site.. Why do you come on this site? Whats your story, wheres your contribution?
is "Just Say No" your golden advice for everyone on here? Thats some really good advice.. Nobody here has heard that one.. I got one for you - Just Say NO to all the twinky's you shove down your throat. From your picture you look like a fat bitch and you should cut back on the HoHo's and Candybars (and lay off the drugs! Just say NO)

[Courtneey]

Chill out, take a XANAX or something. I was agreeing with EXMETHADONE. I have been on methadone for pain before and am dependent on Oxy right now, I am not checking on anyone, I am on this site because I am a chronic pain patient on Oxycontin. Is this not the Oxycontin forum? Since you are on methadone, what are you doing on this site? Remembering your oxy days? Maybe you would feel more comfortable on the methadone forum, you are obviously not happy here.

Debrinconcita wrote:

<quoted text>Of course that is true, but we don't need you to tell us that. The reason were on methadone is we tried that already, don't you think? That's not new to anyone! If we could stop cold turkey we wouldn't be on this site. If your so smart what are you doing here. Checking up on who??? Your future???

[Exmethadone]

Debrinconcita,
I must take issue with some of your statements. Though I've never tried klonopin (I hate all chemical drugs with the exception of some derived from opium) I do agree with you regarding its addictive nature, based on the experience of my departed sweetheart. She did not abuse this drug; she used it in small doses only to medicate chronic insomnia. When her doctor cut her off cold after long term use she described the withdrawals as being "worse than heroin". She was on methadone maintenance for 3 or 4 years I believe, and this was by far the most severe addiction she overcame. She left the methadone program in 1979 and was sick for an entire year! After several months clean she had to take valium for a short time as the withdrawals from methadone were so severe and prolonged that she was contemplating suicide. She spent the last 29 years of her life free of any form of narcotic addiction, cannabis being the only drug that she used for pleasure. When Mark describes two years+ of daily methadone use as the severest drug habit that he has ever kicked, I take his words at face value.
I have addicted myself to, and have gone through withdrawals from heroin, dilaudid, opium and dross, oxycodone, hydrocodone and methadone. For me, hydrocodone was by far the least severe of addictions and methadone was by far the severest of these addictions. The actual withdrawals from methadone lasted far longer than the withdrawals from any of these other narcotic. After a year or so on maintenance I truly began to hate this nasty petroleum derivative. It made me apathetic and emotionally numb. I remember that when I was coming off of it, in spite of the state of misery I was experiencing, it was good to feel emotionally alive again.

[Exmethadone]

Continued from above:
I am not judgmental about what particular drug an individual chooses. I judge people for their behavior, not for their conformity. If people like methadone and it works for them I'm fine with that. But I do believe that the one and only advantage of methadone over other narcotics is that it is legal and thus affords the addict an opportunity to lead a productive life and avoid the poverty, disease and criminality concomitant with drug prohibition.
You reply to Courtneeys concurrence with my statement: "Yes, with methadone you will only become more severely addicted. There is no drug you can take that will make you become drug free. Detox and abstinence is the only cure for addiction." with the following: "Of course that is true, but we don't need you to tell us that. The reason were on methadone is we tried that already, don't you think? That's not new to anyone! If we could stop cold turkey we wouldn't be on this site." I do not think that the inability to quit cold turkey is a prerequisite for using this site.
I do not believe that methadone maintenance has anything to do with ones inability to stop using drugs cold turkey. That is what the 21 day methadone detox is for.
I used methadone for three years (1980-1983). I was addicted to heroin and could not afford my habit. I went on maintenance because I wanted to continue using. I was simply not ready to give up my addiction and I believe that is why most people on MMT are there.
I am currently, like Courtneey, addicted to oxycodone and am gradually moving again toward detox and abstinence. I willingly addict myself not because I suffer from some "disease" over which I have no control. I have an acquired taste for opium; I love it and choose freely to addict myself in spite of the negative consequence of having to suffer greatly every time I break a habit. I do break my addictions and ultimately must go cold turkey after detox in order to do so. While I love opium the thought of spending the rest of my life in a state of addiction is horrifying. And so I must at times embrace the misery of kicking as I embrace my passion for opium using. This is one of my two reasons for avoiding methadone. The other reason being that I hate this drug anyway.
Sincerely, C

[Exmethadone]

LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN, SORRY THE FIRST HALF OF MY LETTER DID NOT POST! PART 1:
Debrinconcita,
I must take issue with some of your statements. Though I've never tried klonopin (I hate all chemical drugs with the exception of some derived from opium) I do agree with you regarding its addictive nature, based on the experience of my departed sweetheart. She did not abuse this drug; she used it in small doses only to medicate chronic insomnia. When her doctor cut her off cold after long term use she described the withdrawals as being "worse than heroin". She was on methadone maintenance for 3 or 4 years I believe, and this was by far the most severe addiction she overcame. She left the methadone program in 1979 and was sick for an entire year! After several months clean she had to take valium for a short time as the withdrawals from methadone were so severe and prolonged that she was contemplating suicide. She spent the last 29 years of her life free of any form of narcotic addiction, cannabis being the only drug that she used for pleasure. When Mark describes two years+ of daily methadone use as the severest drug habit that he has ever kicked, I take his words at face value.
I have addicted myself to, and have gone through withdrawals from heroin, dilaudid, opium and dross, oxycodone, hydrocodone and methadone. For me, hydrocodone was by far the least severe of addictions and methadone was by far the severest of these addictions. The actual withdrawals from methadone lasted far longer than the withdrawals from any of these other narcotic. After a year or so on maintenance I truly began to hate this nasty petroleum derivative. It made me apathetic and emotionally numb. I remember that when I was coming off of it, in spite of the state of misery I was experiencing, it was good to feel emotionally alive again.

[Exmethadone]

PART2:
I am not judgmental about what particular drug an individual chooses. I judge people for their behavior, not for their conformity. If people like methadone and it works for them I'm fine with that. But I do believe that the one and only advantage of methadone over other narcotics is that it is legal and thus affords the addict an opportunity to lead a productive life and avoid the poverty, disease and criminality concomitant with drug prohibition.
You reply to Courtneeys concurrence with my statement: "Yes, with methadone you will only become more severely addicted. There is no drug you can take that will make you become drug free. Detox and abstinence is the only cure for addiction." with the following: "Of course that is true, but we don't need you to tell us that. The reason were on methadone is we tried that already, don't you think? That's not new to anyone! If we could stop cold turkey we wouldn't be on this site." I do not think that the inability to quit cold turkey is a prerequisite for using this site.
I do not believe that methadone maintenance has anything to do with ones inability to stop using drugs cold turkey. That is what the 21 day methadone detox is for.
I used methadone for three years (1980-1983). I was addicted to heroin and could not afford my habit. I went on maintenance because I wanted to continue using. I was simply not ready to give up my addiction and I believe that is why most people on MMT are there.
I am currently, like Courtneey, addicted to oxycodone and am gradually moving again toward detox and abstinence. I willingly addict myself not because I suffer from some "disease" over which I have no control. I have an acquired taste for opium; I love it and choose freely to addict myself in spite of the negative consequence of having to suffer greatly every time I break a habit. I do break my addictions and ultimately must go cold turkey after detox in order to do so. While I love opium the thought of spending the rest of my life in a state of addiction is horrifying. And so I must at times embrace the misery of kicking as I embrace my passion for opium using. This is one of my two reasons for avoiding methadone. The other reason being that I hate this drug anyway.
Sincerely, C