China:'For activists, the internet is...

China:'For activists, the internet is like dancing in shackles'

There are 17 comments on the Amnesty International story from May 3, 2012, titled China:'For activists, the internet is like dancing in shackles'. In it, Amnesty International reports that:

When I was in China, I was a journalist. But, after four years, I decided to resign as the Chinese authorities did not allow us to report the truth.

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I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#2 May 3, 2012
I guess that proves that all the pro china posters on topix are really employed by the government.

What a pitiful country.
old china

Chengdu, China

#3 May 3, 2012
I can read wrote:
I guess that proves that all the pro china posters on topix are really employed by the government.
What a pitiful country.
What a pitiful argument!

I guess all the anti china posters are morons if they think that any government is paying all the pro china posters on Topix to express their opinion.

You would have had a better case if you had said "some" not "all" and even then I suspect that you may not be correct.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#4 May 4, 2012
old china wrote:
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What a pitiful argument!
I guess all the anti china posters are morons if they think that any government is paying all the pro china posters on Topix to express their opinion.
You would have had a better case if you had said "some" not "all" and even then I suspect that you may not be correct.
Except this report and many others say pages about 'sensitive material' aren't available to the Chinese public.

So if the public can't post on threads about tibet or the dalai lama who is you claim is doing the posting from China?

Once again I reiterate: What a pitiful country.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#5 May 4, 2012
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
Except this report and many others say pages about 'sensitive material' aren't available to the Chinese public.
So if the public can't post on threads about tibet or the dalai lama who is you claim is doing the posting from China?
Once again I reiterate: What a pitiful country.
I'm posting from China. I want to see the Dollar Lama dead.
Tanzanus

United States

#6 May 4, 2012
I can read wrote:
I guess that proves that all the pro china posters on topix are really employed by the government.
What a pitiful country.
yep, I get 50 cents a post.
Tanzanus

United States

#7 May 4, 2012
old china wrote:
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What a pitiful argument!
I guess all the anti china posters are morons if they think that any government is paying all the pro china posters on Topix to express their opinion.
You would have had a better case if you had said "some" not "all" and even then I suspect that you may not be correct.
That moron is paid by the CIA to post against China. This is the USA's war against China. They can't stand to go to war with China, thus, they resort to propaganda wars. How pathetic!
old china

Chengdu, China

#8 May 4, 2012
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
Except this report and many others say pages about 'sensitive material' aren't available to the Chinese public.
So if the public can't post on threads about tibet or the dalai lama who is you claim is doing the posting from China?
Once again I reiterate: What a pitiful country.
True in that China doesn't like Amnesty Int. The UK government don't like them either albeit that they don't block them.

If I have trouble accessing a site then, assuming it's the result of the Chinese firewall, it is not difficult to access with a VPN or whatever if we are so minded. As for posting or accessing any subject on Topix, I get no privelidges from anybody, government department or otherwise and have never, to the best of my belief, been blocked by the Chinese.

So I reiterate that you qualify as a moron. Congratulations!
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#9 May 4, 2012
old china wrote:
<quoted text>
True in that China doesn't like Amnesty Int. The UK government don't like them either albeit that they don't block them.
If I have trouble accessing a site then, assuming it's the result of the Chinese firewall, it is not difficult to access with a VPN or whatever if we are so minded. As for posting or accessing any subject on Topix, I get no privelidges from anybody, government department or otherwise and have never, to the best of my belief, been blocked by the Chinese.
So I reiterate that you qualify as a moron. Congratulations!
So I should believe you and ignore the numerous reputable sources?

Surely that only works on the gullable and uneducated? China is the only place left on earth that it might work.
old china

Chengdu, China

#10 May 4, 2012
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
So I should believe you and ignore the numerous reputable sources?
Surely that only works on the gullable and uneducated? China is the only place left on earth that it might work.
You made a definitive statement:

I guess that proves that all the pro china posters on topix are really employed by the government.

Since I am a pro China poster and have never been paid, let alone offered any form of remuneration, compensation or benefit in kind for expressing my personal opinions it proves to me that you are badly informed and stupid to believe that nobody could be pro China unless they were in the pay of the government.

To then claim that the only way anybody in China could access and post on sensitive subjects without being government agents demonstrates your complete ignorance and bigotry on the subject of communications in China. ANYONE can access and post on Topix from China. But even if we were blocked from this forum by the Chinese firewall there are plenty of ways to get round the problem such as VPN connections which mask both the websites we are connected to, their content and any data which we download or upload because the transmissions are encrypted.

However, to use a VPN requires that the provider reroutes to another ISP in the western world, for me I connect to the USA and display an English ISP location. I CANNOT connect to a VPN and still show as Chinese ISP. Therefore, if you wish to accuse anybody, I recommend that you follow Uncle Fargos advice of looking for those who mask their ISP location on Topix because they have something that they wish to hide. But whether someone posts from China, posts from outside of China, hides their location or changes their ISP to give a different location, it doesnt prove in any way that a pro Chinese poster is working for the Chinese government.

So how does it feel to be a moron mind numbing Id guess?
KGB

Zlin, Czech Republic

#11 May 4, 2012
Tanzanus wrote:
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That moron is paid by the CIA to post against China. This is the USA's war against China. They can't stand to go to war with China, thus, they resort to propaganda wars. How pathetic!
Same thing, you're a commie spy planted inside USA and raging war again USA.
eagle eyes

Scottsdale, AZ

#12 May 4, 2012
RayH wrote:
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I'm posting from China. I want to see the Dollar Lama dead.
Rayhole, you always post some dumb sh!t; why don't just [email protected] up!
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#13 May 5, 2012
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
So I should believe you and ignore the numerous reputable sources?
Surely that only works on the gullable and uneducated? China is the only place left on earth that it might work.
China already has the world's largest internet netizen population, which would reach 600 Million by this year's end. That's TWICE of the U.S. general population. Give that a thought.
RayH

Shenzhen, China

#14 May 5, 2012
eagle eyes wrote:
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Rayhole, you always post some dumb sh!t; why don't just [email protected] up!
Go stuff it with your Dollar Lama.
61 PERCENT OF THE DEBT

Wilmington, DE

#15 May 5, 2012
eagle eyes wrote:
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Rayhole, you always post some dumb sh!t; why don't just [email protected] up!
I agree.....

that Rayhole is an insult to us Chinese posters....

I wonder why your bosses still keep him despite his sh!tty performance....

I am the best pro-China poster and Rayhole is an arrant idiot and quite the opposite......
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#16 May 5, 2012
old china wrote:
<quoted text>
You made a definitive statement:
I guess that proves that all the pro china posters on topix are really employed by the government.
Since I am a pro China poster and have never been paid, let alone offered any form of remuneration, compensation or benefit in kind for expressing my personal opinions it proves to me that you are badly informed and stupid to believe that nobody could be pro China unless they were in the pay of the government.
To then claim that the only way anybody in China could access and post on sensitive subjects without being government agents demonstrates your complete ignorance and bigotry on the subject of communications in China. ANYONE can access and post on Topix from China. But even if we were blocked from this forum by the Chinese firewall there are plenty of ways to get round the problem such as VPN connections which mask both the websites we are connected to, their content and any data which we download or upload because the transmissions are encrypted.
However, to use a VPN requires that the provider reroutes to another ISP in the western world, for me I connect to the USA and display an English ISP location. I CANNOT connect to a VPN and still show as Chinese ISP. Therefore, if you wish to accuse anybody, I recommend that you follow Uncle Fargos advice of looking for those who mask their ISP location on Topix because they have something that they wish to hide. But whether someone posts from China, posts from outside of China, hides their location or changes their ISP to give a different location, it doesnt prove in any way that a pro Chinese poster is working for the Chinese government.
So how does it feel to be a moron mind numbing Id guess?
Another big post which essentially says 'believe me and not the numerous accredited and reputable journalists!!!'

I also liked your explanation of how to defeat the great firewall. VPN has nothing to do with masking identity at all. The term you were looking for and which you actually described was 'proxy' but if you actually said that you might really be releasing information on how to defeat the great firewall and your government superiors wouldn't like that.

If only you could control the press in the free world eh? Then you'd be able to lie to westerners as easily as you lie to your own people.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#17 May 5, 2012
RayH wrote:
<quoted text>
China already has the world's largest internet netizen population, which would reach 600 Million by this year's end. That's TWICE of the U.S. general population. Give that a thought.
I thought the word netizens applied to people using the WORLDWIDE web.

Since Chinese people can only connect to sites their government say are OK, you can't really call them netizens, can you?

'Victims' would be a much better word. China has 600 million people who want to use the web but are instead victims of their own government.
eagle eyes

Scottsdale, AZ

#18 May 5, 2012
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought the word netizens applied to people using the WORLDWIDE web.
Since Chinese people can only connect to sites their government say are OK, you can't really call them netizens, can you?
'Victims' would be a much better word. China has 600 million people who want to use the web but are instead victims of their own government.
Well, never mind what that dumb rayhole said; he thinks he is knowledgeable, but always talks sh!t.

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