China's gift causes big trouble for tiny Tonga

Jun 24, 2014 Full story: News Times 40

In this Wednesday, June 4, 2014 photo, fisher folk work on in shallow waters, near Nuku'alofa, Tonga.

Full Story
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Since: Dec 13

Location hidden

#21 Jun 28, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
<quoted text>
Burn all ships like Napoleon did, so therefore no one is going anywhere, than it's a fight to t death.
Sorry, Jimmy, I don't know t actual battle, but Napoleon was famous for inspiring his troops, n eliminating options for retreat, this was one of his most inspiring methods used in battle. It was used all t time only when he felt inspired. We study in business to secure success.

Upon landing ashore they were met w sure defeat, the enemy was far more numerous than expected, rather than retreat he had his men burn t ships to eliminate t option of retreat. It was said they had to win coz there was no way out there. It inspired t hell out his men thinking if we don't win, we will die here n never see our families again, certainly they won.

Since: Nov 13

New Zealand

#22 Jun 28, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Jimmy, I don't know t actual battle, but Napoleon was famous for inspiring his troops, n eliminating options for retreat, this was one of his most inspiring methods used in battle. It was used all t time only when he felt inspired. We study in business to secure success.
Upon landing ashore they were met w sure defeat, the enemy was far more numerous than expected, rather than retreat he had his men burn t ships to eliminate t option of retreat. It was said they had to win coz there was no way out there. It inspired t hell out his men thinking if we don't win, we will die here n never see our families again, certainly they won.
Sorry man but that never happened. There is a painting that show him landed in england with ships burning in the background, but that painting is fiction. But you are right, there has been many people that have used that technique. But not always as a battle plan. Eric the red done it when they arrived in Greenland, nut that was to stop people leaving and not for a battle.

Nepolean did restrict options for retreat, but never with his ships. The french navy at that time was small and rather weak. But all that did not help at the defeat he got in Russia or also at the famous waterloo.

“Fight For Democracy in Tonga!!”

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#23 Jun 28, 2014
I think I can trump all of you . The most famous conqueror who burnt he ships behind him was the Spanish conquestor Cortez

when his fighting force saw the ships burning in the harbour,
he told his men that there would be victory or death

no retreat

just a little bit of trivia, he also introduced dogs into Latin America

all this gets away from the real point of this article, but we must have an insurrection, a conquest over the criminal aristocracy, to liberate ourselves from debt slavery and national bankruptcy next year

. Why do the Polynesian people always look to the white man for salvation?

The Mormon Church, foreign aid, mainly the product of the white man

can't we stand on our own 2 feet and reject foreign influences and foreign aid from China?

By the way, where does all this money go to, where does the $50,000 from Samoa go to?

We have children living on garbage dumps, and Crown princes going to cocktail parties

let's wake up, we need an insurrection today we have no time to lose.
We have a country to win
Beastly

Edmonton, Canada

#24 Jun 28, 2014
boruone77 wrote:
I think I can trump all of you . The most famous conqueror who burnt he ships behind him was the Spanish conquestor Cortez
when his fighting force saw the ships burning in the harbour,
he told his men that there would be victory or death
no retreat
just a little bit of trivia, he also introduced dogs into Latin America
all this gets away from the real point of this article, but we must have an insurrection, a conquest over the criminal aristocracy, to liberate ourselves from debt slavery and national bankruptcy next year
. Why do the Polynesian people always look to the white man for salvation?
The Mormon Church, foreign aid, mainly the product of the white man
can't we stand on our own 2 feet and reject foreign influences and foreign aid from China?
By the way, where does all this money go to, where does the $50,000 from Samoa go to?
We have children living on garbage dumps, and Crown princes going to cocktail parties
let's wake up, we need an insurrection today we have no time to lose.
We have a country to win
**********
Agree with your comments, but it is a fact of life with the ruling elite of any country , the rich get richer and the poor get the message.
I do not think anything will change with the ruling elite in tonga or samoa as they have the backup of their benefactors if the rabble ever get out of hand.
But the fact is that the south east island nations '' samoa, tonga, tuvalu, ect''cannot stand on there own two feet, the tyranny and safety of distance does not exist anymore,except maybe fiji, who have a land mass and some mineral wealth to sustain them.
Beastly

Edmonton, Canada

#25 Jun 28, 2014
When the king of Tonga died he was in Hong Kong. New Zealand offered to fly the body home but the Chinese had already arranged a special charter flight. The Chinese president sent a special envoy to the funeral and the Chinese delegation took up the most prominent places in the front rows of guest seating.

In countries across the South Pacific, Chinese money is pouring into infrastructure and construction projects, part of there expanionist plan and jockeying for position.

In Tonga, the Chinese have built roads, invested in telecommunications, and just completed a huge wharf that can accommodate cruise liners and container ships. The investment infrastructure has also built influence.

Locals like Pesi Fonua, the editor of the Tongan online newspaper Matangi Tonga, say they are already seeing the Chinese calling the shots.
The Chinese do not want any money that they have lent out to be repaid they will take the balance in kind.
All these little islands in the south Pacific are aircraft carriers and future military bases.
Kumara fan

Tauranga, New Zealand

#26 Jun 28, 2014
Freedom!!!!
the movie Bravehart was actually based on the 28th Maori battalions victory at Gate of Pah
Kumara fan

New Zealand

#27 Jun 28, 2014
Kumara fan wrote:
Freedom!!!!
the movie Bravehart was actually based on the 28th Maori battalions victory at Gate of Pah
Fail bei! Trying to be me shows you to be a know nothing wannabe poser troll! You must hate your life bei if you cant post as your own name! Own your fullas shet!
amos biwott

Tauranga, New Zealand

#28 Jun 28, 2014
Kumara fan wrote:
Freedom!!!!
the movie Bravehart was actually based on the 28th Maori battalions victory at Gate of Pah
But don't agree that Ryans tactics were the best available as the altitude at Mexico City is pretty well cancelled out by the lean to anaerobic effort and at the time even taking into account his bout of mono he was pretty well the master of such.
Kumara fan

Tauranga, New Zealand

#29 Jun 28, 2014
amos biwott wrote:
<quoted text>
But don't agree that Ryans tactics were the best available as the altitude at Mexico City is pretty well cancelled out by the lean to anaerobic effort and at the time even taking into account his bout of mono he was pretty well the master of such.
Correct sir, the 28th Maori battalion could not of defeated the Moriori at the battle of Gate Pah without the help of the Norman invasion. At last someone finally gets it. Thank you sir
Kumara fan

New Zealand

#30 Jun 28, 2014
Kumara fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct sir, the 28th Maori battalion could not of defeated the Moriori at the battle of Gate Pah without the help of the Norman invasion. At last someone finally gets it. Thank you sir
Ahahahahahahahahah fail again bei! You suck james saville sands ya loser.
Kumara fan

Tauranga, New Zealand

#31 Jun 28, 2014
Kumara fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahahahahahahahahah fail again bei! You suck james saville sands ya loser.
That was the reason why the 28th Maori battalion bombed Pearl harbor. Payback for 911 and the Norman invasion of Gate of Pah. Fail know nothing troll bei.
eagger

Tonga

#32 Jun 28, 2014
Beastly wrote:
<quoted text>
**********
Agree with your comments, but it is a fact of life with the ruling elite of any country , the rich get richer and the poor get the message.
I do not think anything will change with the ruling elite in tonga or samoa as they have the backup of their benefactors if the rabble ever get out of hand.
But the fact is that the south east island nations '' samoa, tonga, tuvalu, ect''cannot stand on there own two feet, the tyranny and safety of distance does not exist anymore,except maybe fiji, who have a land mass and some mineral wealth to sustain them.
You dont need landmass to live within your means. The answers to all our problems are usually very simple, well I think based on very simple things.
beastly

Edmonton, Canada

#33 Jun 28, 2014
eagger wrote:
<quoted text>
You dont need landmass to live within your means. The answers to all our problems are usually very simple, well I think based on very simple things.
**********
Please explain, are you suggesting If we went back to a Agrarian society maybe, but will never happen we had the industrial revolution and we are slaves to the corporations.
eagger

Tonga

#34 Jun 29, 2014
beastly wrote:
<quoted text>
**********
Please explain, are you suggesting If we went back to a Agrarian society maybe, but will never happen we had the industrial revolution and we are slaves to the corporations.
Slaves to wht corporations? In the islands it better to import manufactured goods, but some things we can make cheaper here. We can grow our taro and crops and veges cheaper than importing, fishes we have a plenty of. We dont need to build state of the art planes or have oil. We can sell surpluses to overseas markets. Our economy is more than able to grow
Beastly

Torrance, CA

#35 Jun 29, 2014
eagger wrote:
<quoted text>
Slaves to wht corporations? In the islands it better to import manufactured goods, but some things we can make cheaper here. We can grow our taro and crops and veges cheaper than importing, fishes we have a plenty of. We dont need to build state of the art planes or have oil. We can sell surpluses to overseas markets. Our economy is more than able to grow
**********
You are part of the world and that is the way it is , there is no going back, you had better start reading up on economics and political matters, especially concerning the south pacific region.
The good old days if they were that , are a thing of the past, your country is not your country, you fail to realize that, your country does what it is told, that is why there are puppets like your king, he is only a figurehead and a lackey of the white-man and yellow- man.
and besides you have the saints to take care of your needs now , you could always be a missionary.?

Since: Dec 13

Location hidden

#36 Jun 29, 2014
James Sands wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry man but that never happened. There is a painting that show him landed in england with ships burning in the background, but that painting is fiction. But you are right, there has been many people that have used that technique. But not always as a battle plan. Eric the red done it when they arrived in Greenland, nut that was to stop people leaving and not for a battle.
Nepolean did restrict options for retreat, but never with his ships. The french navy at that time was small and rather weak. But all that did not help at the defeat he got in Russia or also at the famous waterloo.
http://burningboats.com/about-burningboatscom...

Well, Jimmy, I found a link earlier about t story relating to Napoleon n t buring of his ships, but it is gone, if I run into again il it shot your way. Actually t picture of Napoleon n ship burning behind maybe t Orient which exploded when t British royal naval force headed by Nelson cut t French ships in two, which was a total of 17 ships, they hammered them, n only 2 ships survived while t rest was captured or destroyed.

Above, is a blog confirming Cortez, Alexander the Great, n a couple more well known Generals of War who used this same concept referred to as burning boats to eliminate the option of retreat, was surprised not to see Napoleon on his list which makes me wonder, if u were right, it's taught in business to help reinvent many failing companies like kodak n a few others. Enjoy t read.
MC MC

Auckland, New Zealand

#37 Jun 29, 2014
Kumara fan wrote:
<quoted text>
That was the reason why the 28th Maori battalion bombed Pearl harbor. Payback for 911 and the Norman invasion of Gate of Pah. Fail know nothing troll bei.
28th Maori Battalion had to fight hard bei to stop the trolls taking over the moon while they werent looking the Queen stole their land bro stink bitch

Since: Nov 13

New Zealand

#38 Jun 29, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
<quoted text>
http://burningboats.com/about-burningboatscom...
Well, Jimmy, I found a link earlier about t story relating to Napoleon n t buring of his ships, but it is gone, if I run into again il it shot your way. Actually t picture of Napoleon n ship burning behind maybe t Orient which exploded when t British royal naval force headed by Nelson cut t French ships in two, which was a total of 17 ships, they hammered them, n only 2 ships survived while t rest was captured or destroyed.
Above, is a blog confirming Cortez, Alexander the Great, n a couple more well known Generals of War who used this same concept referred to as burning boats to eliminate the option of retreat, was surprised not to see Napoleon on his list which makes me wonder, if u were right, it's taught in business to help reinvent many failing companies like kodak n a few others. Enjoy t read.
Contray to what frau beastly thinks, I do know a thing or two. I know quite a bit about Alexander as well, two of my dogs are the breed he used in battle, they are called boarboel, and are awesome dogs. They are a type of massif, big heads and short legs. Don't know too much about cortez, but a little. I am more into ancient battles and WW2. You should read up about the agoge and the lives of the Spartans, not the bullshit movie about them. There is many good books. There is a good set of books about Alexander, 3 books long and really good, written as a story not a history lesson.

Since: Dec 13

Location hidden

#39 Jun 29, 2014
James Sands wrote:
<quoted text>
Contray to what frau beastly thinks, I do know a thing or two. I know quite a bit about Alexander as well, two of my dogs are the breed he used in battle, they are called boarboel, and are awesome dogs. They are a type of massif, big heads and short legs. Don't know too much about cortez, but a little. I am more into ancient battles and WW2. You should read up about the agoge and the lives of the Spartans, not the bullshit movie about them. There is many good books. There is a good set of books about Alexander, 3 books long and really good, written as a story not a history lesson.
Will do Captain, m going a long plane ride n il see if I can down load them to mobile devices so I can get my read on. Thanks man n yalz take care.
eagger

Tonga

#42 Jun 29, 2014
Beastly wrote:
<quoted text>
**********
You are part of the world and that is the way it is , there is no going back, you had better start reading up on economics and political matters, especially concerning the south pacific region.
The good old days if they were that , are a thing of the past, your country is not your country, you fail to realize that, your country does what it is told, that is why there are puppets like your king, he is only a figurehead and a lackey of the white-man and yellow- man.
and besides you have the saints to take care of your needs now , you could always be a missionary.?
I think u been reading too many lord of rings news articles and not looking at the facts. Our economy, GDP, can grow I dont think u realize island nations can grow too. On politics, we have a leadership problem, pm is real shady sending shady emails etc lol. We heading towards a bad place but we still independent

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Coffee Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Cafenopal Organic Coffee and TEa 7 hr JEFFERY 1
Beverly Johnson says Bill Cosby drugged her in ... Dec 12 Gremlin 5
Interview: Second Cup CEO Alix Box on reinventi... Dec 12 guy 1
Cosmic caffeine: Astronauts getting espresso maker Nov 28 Andarz Abedini 2
I bought pot legally and it was weird Nov 25 FTW Forever 114
Mile Square Coffee Roastery Provides Global Cof... Nov '14 Alonzo X 1
Tommy P's Boardwalk: Best Casual Dining in Loga... (May '09) Nov '14 Wisdom 12
More from around the web