State's in a haze over pot measure's ...

State's in a haze over pot measure's impact

There are 36 comments on the Daily Breeze story from Oct 30, 2010, titled State's in a haze over pot measure's impact. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

Imagine it's the day after the election, and California awakes to a brave new state where marijuana is the same as alcohol, at least legally.

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Reality

Prosperity, PA

#21 Oct 31, 2010
INDUSTRY FACTS

*Henry Ford experimented with hemp to build car bodies. He wanted to build and fuel cars from farm products.

*BMW is experimenting with hemp materials in automobiles as part of an effort to make cars more recyclable.

*Much of the bird seed sold in the US has hemp seed (it's sterilized before importation), the hulls of which contain about 25% protein.

*Hemp oil once greased machines. Most paints, resins, shellacs, and varnishes used to be made out of linseed (from flax) and hemp oils.

*Rudolph Diesel designed his engine to run on hemp oil.

*Kimberly Clark (on the Fortune 500) has a mill in France which produces hemp paper preferred for bibles because it lasts a very long time and doesn't yellow.

*Construction products such as medium density fiber board, oriented strand board, and even beams, studs and posts could be made out of hemp. Because of hemp's long fibers, the products will be stronger and/or lighter than those made from wood.

*The products that can be made from hemp number over 25,000.



SCIENTIFIC FACTS

*Industrial hemp and marijuana are both classified by taxonomists as Cannabis sativa, a species with hundreds of varieties. C. sativa is a member of the mulberry family. Industrial hemp is bred to maximize fiber, seed and/or oil, while marijuana varieties seek to maximize THC (delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol, the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana).

*While industrial hemp and marijuana may look somewhat alike to an untrained eye, an easily trained eye can easily distinguish the difference.

*Industrial hemp has a THC content of between 0.05 and 1%. Marijuana has a THC content of 3% to 20%. To receive a standard psychoactive dose would require a person to power-smoke 10-12 hemp cigarettes over an extremely short period of time. The large volume and high temperature of vapor, gas and smoke would be almost impossible for a person to withstand.

*If hemp does pollinate any nearby marijuana, genetically, the result will always be lower-THC marijuana, not higher-THC hemp. If hemp is grown outdoors, marijuana will not be grown close by to avoid producing lower-grade marijuana.

*Hemp fibers are longer, stronger, more absorbent and more mildew-resistant than cotton.

*Fabrics made of at least one-half hemp block the sun's UV rays more effectively than other fabrics.

*Many of the varieties of hemp that were grown in North America have been lost. Seed banks weren't maintained. New genetic breeding will be necessary using both foreign and domestic "ditchweed," strains of hemp that went feral after cultivation ended. Various state national guard units often spend their weekends trying to eradicate this hemp, in the mistaken belief they are helping stop drug use.

*A 1938 Popular Mechanics described hemp as a "New Billion Dollar Crop." That's back when a billion was real money.

*Hemp can be made in to a variety of fabrics, including linen quality.

Reality

Prosperity, PA

#22 Oct 31, 2010
LEGAL FACTS

*The US Drug Enforcement Agency classifies all C. sativa varieties as "marijuana." While it is theoretically possible to get permission from the government to grow hemp, DEA would require that the field be secured by fence, razor wire, dogs, guards, and lights, making it cost-prohibitive.

*The US State Department must certify each year that a foreign nation is cooperating in the war on drugs. The European Union subsidizes its farmers to grow industrial hemp. Those nations are not on this list, because the State Department can tell the difference between hemp and marijuana.

*Hemp was grown commercially (with increasing governmental interference) in the United States until the 1950s. It was doomed by the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937, which placed an extremely high tax on marijuana and made it effectively impossible to grow industrial hemp. While Congress expressly expected the continued production of industrial hemp, the Federal Bureau of Narcotics lumped industrial hemp with marijuana, as it's successor the US Drug Enforcement Administration, does to this day.

*Over 30 industrialized democracies do distinguish hemp from marijuana. International treaties regarding marijuana make an exception for industrial hemp.

*Canada now again allows the growing of hemp.



ECOLOGY FACTS

* Hemp growers can not hide marijuana plants in their fields. Marijuana is grown widely spaced to maximize leaves. Hemp is grown in tightly-spaced rows to maximize stalk and is usually harvested before it goes to seed.

*Hemp can be made into fine quality paper. The long fibers in hemp allow such paper to be recycled several times more than wood-based paper.

*Because of its low lignin content, hemp can be pulped using less chemicals than with wood. Its natural brightness can obviate the need to use chlorine bleach, which means no extremely toxic dioxin being dumped into streams. A kinder and gentler chemistry using hydrogen peroxide rather than chlorine dixoide is possible with hemp fibers.

*Hemp grows well in a variety of climates and soil types. It is naturally resistant to most pests, precluding the need for pesticides. It grows tightly spaced, out-competing any weeds, so herbicides are not necessary. It also leaves a weed-free field for a following crop.

*Hemp can displace cotton which is usually grown with massive amounts of chemicals harmful to people and the environment. 50% of all the world's pesticides are sprayed on cotton.

*Hemp can displace wood fiber and save forests for watershed, wildlife habitat, recreation and oxygen production, carbon sequestration (reduces global warming), and other values.

*Hemp can yield 3-8 dry tons of fiber per acre. This is four times what an average forest can yield.



HEALTH FACTS

*If one tried to ingest enough industrial hemp to get 'a buzz', it would be the equivalent of taking 2-3 doses of a high-fiber laxative.

*At a volume level of 81%, hemp oil is the richest known source of polyunsaturated essential fatty acids (the "good" fats). It's quite high in some essential amino acids, including gamma linoleic acid (GLA), a very rare nutrient also found in mother's milk.

*While the original "gruel" was made of hemp seed meal, hemp oil and seed can be made into tasty and nutritional products.
No Dopes

Torrance, CA

#23 Oct 31, 2010
Let me help you out, since most stoners don't read or understand the news.
Today's poll in the liberal Los Angeles Times has you down 49% against / 43% for legal pot. So with less than two days to go, I'd expect this will be to much to over come.
Pot will NOT be legal on Wednesday. But nice try.
Matt wrote:
Looks like those against prop 19 are in a panic. Just a few days away and we will have our legal weed.
Matt

South Lake Tahoe, CA

#27 Oct 31, 2010
No Dopes wrote:
Let me help you out, since most stoners don't read or understand the news.
Today's poll in the liberal Los Angeles Times has you down 49% against / 43% for legal pot. So with less than two days to go, I'd expect this will be to much to over come.
Pot will NOT be legal on Wednesday. But nice try.
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A large majority of people under the age of 30 are for legalization. That % increases drastically for those under 24. There are more than enough people in this age group to pass the proposition. Rarely do we see very high voter turn out with this group as well. That changes when an issue like this is on the ballot. We are bigger than the tea party. Take your polls and shove em.

Since: Feb 09

USA

#28 Oct 31, 2010
As the medical journal Lancet will publish Monday, Alcohol is more dangerous than heroin and crack cocaine. It ranks number one in fact over all other substances! The study evaluated how addictive a drug is and how it harms the body. Other criteria utilized were how it destroys relationships, social/economics, prisons, etc. I get how alcohol is readily accepted and pot made to be villainous. Perhaps this is why we have so many people dying. In the ICU people admitted for heart attacks often have to be treated for alcohol withdrawal in addition to their MI. I'm in my fifties and have seen much devastation due to booze. Not so with pot. Much of the time our views and many of our laws are not based on science. Time to wake up and be enlightened people. Now off to bed for you old folk. Do your prescription pills, scotch, or what have you and think you have the moral high ground. Kid yourself not. The truth is there if you want it.
whatever

Los Angeles, CA

#29 Oct 31, 2010
Only idiots in a haze wrote:
This has got to be the biggest no brainer of all time if you care for the health and safety of your children. NO on 19! A yes vote will bring more highway deaths, more addiction, and more costs in health care. Look what happened when they legalized booze? 50,000 people dead each year in alcohol related car crashes and millions spent towards health care/abuse/addiction. The same will happen with MJ. Think of your children and you children's children. NO on 19!
The 50,000 deaths due to alcohol-related car accidents could be resolved quickly.

Let's outlaw cars!

Prohibition works!
whatever

Los Angeles, CA

#30 Oct 31, 2010
Plain and Simple wrote:
The point of smoking marijuana is to get high, period.
Why do we need to legalize more stupidity? So more idiots can alter their brain and run around with delusional percerptions in a already screwed up reality?
This proposition is in direct conflict with federal law which makes it null and void from the beginning. Yet CA politicians won't fight it like they fought against Arizona's illegal immigration policies which was none of our business to interfere with....
Even if it was legalized, the tax revenue would be corrupted and up in smoke by the CA pothead politicans that already smoke crack.
Did you read the article?

Read it again.

Local politicians will get a great deal of input on how this thing takes effect in their respective areas.

But yea, it is null and void, hence it is on the ballot rather than an issue being taken up by the legislature. I wonder what the Feds will do if this thing passes.
whatever

Los Angeles, CA

#31 Oct 31, 2010
Dopes for Prop 19 wrote:
Didn't you see the leading headline? Party goers in Redondo Beach dying. I'll bet every one of those dead used MJ! NO, NO, NO on Prop 19. Anything else is simple propaganda by dopers!
You should read more than the headline.

You really should.
westside steve

Los Angeles, CA

#32 Oct 31, 2010
I can't beleive conservatives are against prop 19. You wnat to cut out a useless federal agency we never even had and got along fine without until 1971, when the ever-paranoid Nixon created it, rid us of the DEA and the wasted deficits we are running up supporting a bunch of a-hole narcs, and let localities raise more revenue with hemp taxes.

Most tea-baggers realize this and want safe recreational drugs legalized, even though some don;t like them.

A YES VOTE FOR 19 IS A YES VOTE FOR REDUCING OUR DEFICITS. You are un-American to vote otherwise!
Jay

Torrance, CA

#33 Oct 31, 2010
Purple Haze wrote:
Don't worry about 19 going through, the pot heads will be too stoned and not even wake up in time to vote. Projection, lose by 5% or more.
California is now the laughing stock of the world, poor leadership, business being driven out, drug policies out of touch with real world, etc etc.
As our state declines, most likely the liberal socialist Jerry Brown will win, pot will loss, Boxer might be outted, but in the end our state will still send more jobs out of state to areas like Texas, Ohio, Kentucky, etc that hare more reasonable.
Bottom line, California is a dead state, just turn it into a big park with nice weather, beaches, and good skiiing, charge people to come here. Other than that, expect at least 16% unemployment after the election if the Socialists win it all in CA.
shut up and go away you loser...California is still the Greatest. Have you been to texas, Ohio or Kentucky in the Summer?
Matt

South Lake Tahoe, CA

#34 Nov 1, 2010
Garrett Lee wrote:
As the medical journal Lancet will publish Monday, Alcohol is more dangerous than heroin and crack cocaine. It ranks number one in fact over all other substances! The study evaluated how addictive a drug is and how it harms the body. Other criteria utilized were how it destroys relationships, social/economics, prisons, etc. I get how alcohol is readily accepted and pot made to be villainous. Perhaps this is why we have so many people dying. In the ICU people admitted for heart attacks often have to be treated for alcohol withdrawal in addition to their MI. I'm in my fifties and have seen much devastation due to booze. Not so with pot. Much of the time our views and many of our laws are not based on science. Time to wake up and be enlightened people. Now off to bed for you old folk. Do your prescription pills, scotch, or what have you and think you have the moral high ground. Kid yourself not. The truth is there if you want it.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/01/alcohol....
For our Children

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#35 Nov 1, 2010
westside steve wrote:
I can't beleive conservatives are against prop 19. You wnat to cut out a useless federal agency we never even had and got along fine without until 1971, when the ever-paranoid Nixon created it, rid us of the DEA and the wasted deficits we are running up supporting a bunch of **** narcs, and let localities raise more revenue with hemp taxes.
Most tea-baggers realize this and want safe recreational drugs legalized, even though some don;t like them.
A YES VOTE FOR 19 IS A YES VOTE FOR REDUCING OUR DEFICITS. You are un-American to vote otherwise!
You idiot! It is NOT ABOUT MONEY!!! It is about saving our children and lives!!! Vote No on Proposition 19! The side benefit is saving millions in health cae associated with MJ abuse, which most will do! Most of the pro-19ers on this site clearly do not have children and could care less about them!
Cannabis is safe

Chico, CA

#38 Nov 1, 2010
"Study: Alcohol 'most harmful drug,' followed by crack and heroin" CNN Nov 1 2010

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/01/alcohol....
Len

Jersey City, NJ

#39 Nov 1, 2010
For our Children wrote:
<quoted text>
You idiot! It is NOT ABOUT MONEY!!! It is about saving our children and lives!!! Vote No on Proposition 19! The side benefit is saving millions in health cae associated with MJ abuse, which most will do! Most of the pro-19ers on this site clearly do not have children and could care less about them!
You are either joking, or are incredibly naive. Cannabis proposition is ALL about the money. From it's inception to it's present day status, it's ALWAYS been about the money. Look up the history of cannabis prohibition, that is if you have the nerve to look up something for yourself instead of beleiving what the Gov't wants you to believe.
westside steve

Los Angeles, CA

#40 Nov 1, 2010
For our Children wrote:
<quoted text>
You idiot! It is NOT ABOUT MONEY!!! It is about saving our children and lives!!! Vote No on Proposition 19! The side benefit is saving millions in health cae associated with MJ abuse, which most will do! Most of the pro-19ers on this site clearly do not have children and could care less about them!
Using your logic, we need to ban aspirin too, which is also a healing drug found in nature available over the counter. If you really loved your children, you would return them to the traditional American values our country was founded upon. For the first 170 years, it was thought unconstitutional for any government to prevent citizens from altering thier perception: which is why the "tax stamp you can't get" strategy was implemented as a run-around our constitution.
Our fore-fathers knew best, and we are wasting tons of money trying to stop a safe plant, A PLANT FROM GOD HIMSELF! Leave your kids your values and a balanced budget: VOTE YES ON 19!!!
LOL

Los Angeles, CA

#41 Nov 1, 2010
Matt wrote:
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A large majority of people under the age of 30 are for legalization. That % increases drastically for those under 24. There are more than enough people in this age group to pass the proposition. Rarely do we see very high voter turn out with this group as well. That changes when an issue like this is on the ballot. We are bigger than the tea party. Take your polls and shove em.
And the Federal gov't. has no intent of allowing CA to legalize pot regardless of how the still wet behind the ears group votes.

Have you been living with your head in the sand, or in a cloud of smoke?

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