Bolivian Workers Scammed

Bolivian Workers Scammed

There are 47 comments on the Miami New Times story from Dec 25, 2008, titled Bolivian Workers Scammed. In it, Miami New Times reports that:

On a sunny morning this past February 25, Pablo, a neat, stocky 46-year-old, arrived at Miami International Airport from La Paz.

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uscnumber5

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#1 Dec 26, 2008
Cruceños screwing someone over? Their own people? What a surprise. I am so shocked.

The perpetrators will surely bribe some corrupt cruceño judge and then the poor saps will have nothing.

But not is all lost because the Cruceño's Apologist-in-Chief, Live From Bolivia, can add these unfortunate people to his fictitious 877 person payroll. That is if he ever pulls his head out of Ruben Costas' butt long enough to see the real culture and the real city.
PSL

Boca Raton, FL

#2 Dec 26, 2008
With all the Americans that have been scammed in the past 5 or so years I could care less about some , probably, illegal.
La Marabunta

Austin, TX

#3 Dec 29, 2008
PSL wrote:
With all the Americans that have been scammed in the past 5 or so years I could care less about some , probably, illegal.
Well done, and almost said verbatim! Finally the careless noble human being that calls us americans rather than aliens.
Live from Bolivia

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#4 Dec 29, 2008
uscnumber5 wrote:
Cruceños screwing someone over? Their own people? What a surprise. I am so shocked.
The perpetrators will surely bribe some corrupt cruceño judge and then the poor saps will have nothing.
But not is all lost because the Cruceño's Apologist-in-Chief, Live From Bolivia, can add these unfortunate people to his fictitious 877 person payroll. That is if he ever pulls his head out of Ruben Costas' butt long enough to see the real culture and the real city.
Regardless of your hate for cruceños, if you ever visit one of my hotels I can guarantee you will be provided the best service and attention despite your disgusting attitude toward people. Why you hate them so much (I'm not a camba by the way) is beyond me, however you must have had a very bad experience at some point so I think we'll manage not to hold that against you. I usually instruct my employees to calm themselves down and try to feel pity instead of anger when confronted by people who treat them in a demeaning manner. You can't judge a person by their upbringing and you never know what kind of a bad day they've had. You seem to have had a lot so come to Santa Cruz and rest yourself on a nice fluffy pillow, spend some time at one of our spas or indulge in a massage. Maybe you'll soften up a bit. I'm going to ignore your hateful comments (there are so many of them) and wish you the best - Happy New Year and may 2009 treat you better.
robertjones

La Paz, Bolivia

#5 Dec 29, 2008
uscnumber5 wrote:
Cruceños screwing someone over? Their own people? What a surprise. I am so shocked.
The perpetrators will surely bribe some corrupt cruceño judge and then the poor saps will have nothing.
But not is all lost because the Cruceño's Apologist-in-Chief, Live From Bolivia, can add these unfortunate people to his fictitious 877 person payroll. That is if he ever pulls his head out of Ruben Costas' butt long enough to see the real culture and the real city.
Good on you mate. Sounds like you hit a nerve with Live From Bolivia. The truth hurts.

“silly conspiracy theory HA”

Since: Mar 07

Long Island

#6 Dec 29, 2008
why cant contractors seek out legal US citizens to work? Unemployment on the rise and they are seeking illegals still? What am I missing?
Live from Bolivia

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#7 Dec 29, 2008
robertjones wrote:
<quoted text>
Good on you mate. Sounds like you hit a nerve with Live From Bolivia. The truth hurts.
What hits a nerve with me is when people applaud hate as you just did.
Live from Bolivia

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#9 Dec 29, 2008
uscnumber5 wrote:
Cruceños screwing someone over? Their own people? What a surprise. I am so shocked.
The perpetrators will surely bribe some corrupt cruceño judge and then the poor saps will have nothing.
But not is all lost because the Cruceño's Apologist-in-Chief, Live From Bolivia, can add these unfortunate people to his fictitious 877 person payroll. That is if he ever pulls his head out of Ruben Costas' butt long enough to see the real culture and the real city.
Sorry bud Elizabeth Rasmussen is NOT cruceña, she's paceña. Here's her contact info, you know in case you'd like to give her a piece of your brilliant mind.
Edificio Torre Lidia No 8227 Piso 8 Oficina 810, Calle 21 Calacoto (Frente Ketal)
Sona Sur, La Paz, Bolivia
uscnumber5

La Paz, Bolivia

#10 Dec 30, 2008
Live from Bolivia wrote:
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Sorry bud Elizabeth Rasmussen is NOT cruceña, she's paceña. Here's her contact info, you know in case you'd like to give her a piece of your brilliant mind.
Edificio Torre Lidia No 8227 Piso 8 Oficina 810, Calle 21 Calacoto (Frente Ketal)
Sona Sur, La Paz, Bolivia
Sorry Bud but if you had the minimum amount of intelligence to read and understand the article, it would have been apparent to you the real villain is Sanchez - a native cruceño. I realize that you are so busy running your enormous global financial and philanthropic empire (ROFLMAO) that maybe you missed a news article in El Deber about the same story. If you had read it, maybe you would understand the subject matter instead of making a fool out of yourself - again.

With respect to brilliant minds, just bear in mind that your rah rah camba team has been, is and will continue to be outwitted every step of the way by someone with a poor quality fourth grade education - Evo Morales. That just goes to show how smart you are not.
robertjones

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#11 Dec 30, 2008
Live from Bolivia wrote:
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What hits a nerve with me is when people applaud hate as you just did.
If you think that is hate, you should listen to the self-styled good families of Santa Cruz talk about the indians.

Carelessly throwing around the hate label to try and cow people who have different opinions than you makes you look silly and immature. It is like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton calling white conservatives racists in an attempt to silence them. It is a transparent ploy which puts you on the same emotional level as Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton; yelling and screaming. Personally, I think that you are a fraud.
Live from Bolivia

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#12 Dec 30, 2008
robertjones wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think that is hate, you should listen to the self-styled good families of Santa Cruz talk about the indians.
Carelessly throwing around the hate label to try and cow people who have different opinions than you makes you look silly and immature. It is like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton calling white conservatives racists in an attempt to silence them. It is a transparent ploy which puts you on the same emotional level as Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton; yelling and screaming. Personally, I think that you are a fraud.
There certainly is a lot of hate-throwing going around and you're doing it as much as anyone else in this forum so judge not!

Having grown up in El Alto and La Paz, I can tell you people in La Paz treat the indigenous people of El Alto like shit - no better than cambas or cochalas do. They use their maids to sexually initiate their sons and other such atrocities in La Paz. It was horrifying!!!

Point being, things are no worse in Santa Cruz than they are in La Paz or Cochabamba or anywhere else in Bolivia - racially or socially. Kollas suffer from superiority syndrome and always have. That's where the fantasy that Cambas are so hateful comes from. It's too painful for Kollas to admit their own faults.

By the way to you and USC and others who are always trashing cruceños, 70% of the people who live in Santa Cruz today are immigrants from Western Bolivia. So before you qualify everyone as hateful cambas, make sure you really know what someone's true origins are.
Jordana

Houston, TX

#13 Dec 30, 2008
robertjones wrote:
<quoted text>
If you think that is hate, you should listen to the self-styled good families of Santa Cruz talk about the indians.
Carelessly throwing around the hate label to try and cow people who have different opinions than you makes you look silly and immature. It is like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton calling white conservatives racists in an attempt to silence them. It is a transparent ploy which puts you on the same emotional level as Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton; yelling and screaming. Personally, I think that you are a fraud.
You are all missing the point.
The U.S. has weakened.
A "comandante" with a big ego and oil money has taken over Venezuela. He has found allies in Cuba and Bolivia; he keeps getting stronger.
(Nobody seems to be noticing this connection.)
The drug cartels are not as comfortable in Colombia because President Uribe is cleaning up.
They are fleeing to Bolivia; home of the coca leaf.
The DEA has been kicked out of Bolivia...

Some well to do families of Bolivia hate the Indians and vice versa and this has always been. But,this polarization of the Bolivians is getting worse thanks to Morales.
Do people around the world have such a paternalistic view of Bolivia that they applaud that in this day and age a country is being run by someone who claims to be an Indian and has a fourth grade education? Someone like him is putting the country, and the continent in danger.

Many are romanticizing the fact that finally an Indian is in power; if this Indian was capable of making good decisions more power to him.
Because of the fact that he claims to be an Indian, those who voice their opinions against him are racists.
The truth is this situation is going to get worse and it is happening before our noses and in the heart of South America.
Recently, according to international news a Mexican Drug Cartel was caught on its way to "go shopping" in Boliva.
From the 1980's to this date Mexico has been horribly affected and plagued by drug cartels; this could very easily get even worse.
When things are terribly wrong people are going to wonder how all of this happened.
Hope it is not too late.
Live from Bolivia

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#14 Dec 30, 2008
Jordana wrote:
<quoted text>
You are all missing the point.
The U.S. has weakened.
A "comandante" with a big ego and oil money has taken over Venezuela. He has found allies in Cuba and Bolivia; he keeps getting stronger.
(Nobody seems to be noticing this connection.)
The drug cartels are not as comfortable in Colombia because President Uribe is cleaning up.
They are fleeing to Bolivia; home of the coca leaf.
The DEA has been kicked out of Bolivia...
Some well to do families of Bolivia hate the Indians and vice versa and this has always been. But,this polarization of the Bolivians is getting worse thanks to Morales.
Do people around the world have such a paternalistic view of Bolivia that they applaud that in this day and age a country is being run by someone who claims to be an Indian and has a fourth grade education? Someone like him is putting the country, and the continent in danger.
Many are romanticizing the fact that finally an Indian is in power; if this Indian was capable of making good decisions more power to him.
Because of the fact that he claims to be an Indian, those who voice their opinions against him are racists.
The truth is this situation is going to get worse and it is happening before our noses and in the heart of South America.
Recently, according to international news a Mexican Drug Cartel was caught on its way to "go shopping" in Boliva.
From the 1980's to this date Mexico has been horribly affected and plagued by drug cartels; this could very easily get even worse.
When things are terribly wrong people are going to wonder how all of this happened.
Hope it is not too late.
I agree with you completely. It's what we are all worried about, that is those of us who haven't romanticized the rEVOlution. It's amazing to me how many Americans and Europeans fully support what is happening here because they don't actually have to live here.

One point I do disagree on and that is that virtually EVERYONE in Bolivia is completely aware of the connection with Chavez and it's completely freaking us out. The problem is that Evo and this government are so in love with him and so hellbent on completing the atrocities they've begun with this country that there is little anyone can do about it. Anyone who opposes Evo's government is not only a a simple opposition, we are all being called "enemies of the republic" (another phrase 100% copied word for word from Fidel Castro).

By naming everyone who opposes this government in the slightest way as an "enemy" this has caused more and more violence and retaliation from Evo supporters who do not in any way allow anyone else freedom of expression or speech.

The same is happening with autonomistas, journalists, and foreigners, especially Americans (who are now somehow ALL "imperialistas"). The masses have little education so it's hard to blame Evo's supporters. They are like sheep following their shepherd blindly with no real full understanding of what any of this implies or means.

However from people with higher education levels, it's just beyond my comprehension that they would support what is happening here and throw their money and backing behind this dicator. Elected or not, Evo is fast becoming a totalitarian dictator and anyone who can't see that is blind as a bat.
Live from Bolivia

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#15 Dec 30, 2008
I interviewed a young woman this morning to do some babysitting in the afternoons - 3 times a week, from only 3 to 7 pm. I offered her $300 a month.

That's 3 times the national FULL-TIME 40-hour work week minimum wage and more than she'll make probably anywhere else at only 19 years old with NO SCHOOLING and completely illiterate (by the way Evo just declared Santa Cruz free of illiteracy). She agreed to start this afternoon.

She never showed up. Then in the evening I got a call from her. "I'm so sorry, I had to escape from my mom to find a public phone to call you. She won't let me work for you and wouldn't even let me call you to say I couldn't come but that seemed wrong to me so I got away as soon as I could to call you."

So I told her I appreciated the effort but asked her why won't your mom let you work for me?

She said "Because my mom wants me only to work for a Masista family".

"Really?" I said. "Is that because she's afraid non-masistas won't treat you well?"

"No" she said, "it's because she's afraid the government will think I'm with the opposition and my mom voted for Evo."

That's the education Evo is giving the "movimientos sociales" - poisoning their minds with hate and fear and making people afraid to be associated with non-masistas in even the slightest way for fear of retaliation.

That's why people are not standing up to this government.

This government is spreading FEAR FEAR FEAR.
BigJeff

La Paz, Bolivia

#16 Dec 31, 2008
Live from Bolivia wrote:
......> This government is spreading FEAR FEAR FEAR.
All true and correct what you write. You get it. But again, the vast majority of the crucenos don't give a damn. All they want to do is get drunk, dance in the streets, have sex with someone else's wife, husband, girlfriend or boyfriend and listen to loud music. The crucenos are the embodiment of 19th racist caricatures of blacks in the U.S. And it's not the young people, but seemingly everyone here.

Be honest: What is more important to a cruceno; buying a large, shiny used car from the U.S. to impress their equally superficial neighbors and friends or living in freedom? It is buying the big SUV. No question.

The crucenos are their own worst enemy but they are not smart enough to know it. The crucenos will lose Santa Cruz just like Bolivia lost their territory and access to the ocean in their war against Chile and Peru. They will be singing and dancing the night way while the MASistas are eroding their rights. Evo is banking on the crucenos superficiality, sloth and cowardice to achieve a bloodless takeover. That is a bet he'll win every time.

If you are a poor, uneducated indian, campesino or other unfortunate, what is there not to hate about the crucenos? They make Evo's job easy. In my opinion, the crucenos are the most shallow, arrogant and self-centered people that I've seen and I say that in the context of having traveled to almost 50 countries.

Despite the noose tightening around their necks, tonight will be a big party night for the jolly crucenos. Then what? Well of course it's Carnival. There will be token resistance to the referendum but in reality, getting ready for Carnival is more important than standing up to Morales and his goons. This orgy of self-indulgence by the crucenos will be their downfall. Evo has already prevailed and now he is just crossing the t's and dotting the i's. Game, set, match - it is over. Too bad because Bolivia is a beautiful country.
dmas

Cincinnati, OH

#17 Dec 31, 2008
La Marabunta wrote:
<quoted text>Well done, and almost said verbatim! Finally the careless noble human being that calls us americans rather than aliens.
not aliens;INVADERS who will be dealt with "by any means necessary".

www.mexica-movement.org
muleman

Morristown, NJ

#18 Dec 31, 2008
Live from Bolivia wrote:
<quoted text>
There certainly is a lot of hate-throwing going around and you're doing it as much as anyone else in this forum so judge not!
Having grown up in El Alto and La Paz, I can tell you people in La Paz treat the indigenous people of El Alto like shit - no better than cambas or cochalas do. They use their maids to sexually initiate their sons and other such atrocities in La Paz. It was horrifying!!!
Point being, things are no worse in Santa Cruz than they are in La Paz or Cochabamba or anywhere else in Bolivia - racially or socially. Kollas suffer from superiority syndrome and always have. That's where the fantasy that Cambas are so hateful comes from. It's too painful for Kollas to admit their own faults.
By the way to you and USC and others who are always trashing cruceños, 70% of the people who live in Santa Cruz today are immigrants from Western Bolivia. So before you qualify everyone as hateful cambas, make sure you really know what someone's true origins are.
Right on my friend..spoken with truth..
jordana

Houston, TX

#19 Dec 31, 2008
dmas wrote:
<quoted text>
not aliens;INVADERS who will be dealt with "by any means necessary".
www.mexica-movement.org
I can not believe what I just read.
Crap! They are going to lynch all of us Latin Americans.The Indians on one side and the people who are going to categorize all of Latin Americans as illegal and uneducated for speaking Spanish on the other.
At least my immediate family looks more European.
Oh no, they are in danger too..
Well the part of my family that looks jewish is safe. NOT!
Anyway, fortunately some family looks very Middle Eastern from the 500 year occupation of Spain by Arabs....
Heck! We are all in trouble.

We are screwed. The radical Indian supporters on one side and the people who classify all Latin Americans as one people (those who think we are all uneducated and came to the U.S. illegaly)on the other.
I knew Evo's existence in politics would have a
negative effect on the rest of the world but not this fast.
jordana

Houston, TX

#20 Dec 31, 2008
Sorry for the previous repetitious post.

I was a bit shaken up by the
mexica-movement link and didn't proof read before
sending.
Live from Bolivia

Santa Cruz, Bolivia

#21 Dec 31, 2008
BigJeff wrote:
<quoted text>
All true and correct what you write. You get it. But again, the vast majority of the crucenos don't give a damn. All they want to do is get drunk, dance in the streets, have sex with someone else's wife, husband, girlfriend or boyfriend and listen to loud music. The crucenos are the embodiment of 19th racist caricatures of blacks in the U.S. And it's not the young people, but seemingly everyone here.
Be honest: What is more important to a cruceno; buying a large, shiny used car from the U.S. to impress their equally superficial neighbors and friends or living in freedom? It is buying the big SUV. No question.
The crucenos are their own worst enemy but they are not smart enough to know it. The crucenos will lose Santa Cruz just like Bolivia lost their territory and access to the ocean in their war against Chile and Peru. They will be singing and dancing the night way while the MASistas are eroding their rights. Evo is banking on the crucenos superficiality, sloth and cowardice to achieve a bloodless takeover. That is a bet he'll win every time.
If you are a poor, uneducated indian, campesino or other unfortunate, what is there not to hate about the crucenos? They make Evo's job easy. In my opinion, the crucenos are the most shallow, arrogant and self-centered people that I've seen and I say that in the context of having traveled to almost 50 countries.
Despite the noose tightening around their necks, tonight will be a big party night for the jolly crucenos. Then what? Well of course it's Carnival. There will be token resistance to the referendum but in reality, getting ready for Carnival is more important than standing up to Morales and his goons. This orgy of self-indulgence by the crucenos will be their downfall. Evo has already prevailed and now he is just crossing the t's and dotting the i's. Game, set, match - it is over. Too bad because Bolivia is a beautiful country.
It's funny because what you describe above - I see just as much of it in La Paz and Cochabamba as in Santa Cruz. I was in Potosí the last week and was SHOCKED to see over 100 Hummers in less than 2 days. I was in Villa Tunari about 2 months ago and saw the same - Hummers everywhere. So I really don't see Santa Cruz as any different than anywhere else in Bolivia. What you describe pretty much seems like the whole country to me.

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