Pro-Palestinian protestors in Detroit say U.S. needs to stop supporting Israel

Nov 16, 2012 Full story: MLive.com 19

More than 50, many of the women donning hijabs, stood in a line atop a 4-foot-tall wall along E. Jefferson Friday evening protesting against U.S. support of Israel.

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Pete

Livonia, MI

#1 Nov 17, 2012
It must be frustrating. Hamas is trying to lop all those rockets into Israel and the Iron Dome is picking them off PacMan style. Under 10% get through. Meanwhile, the Hamas leader gets a direct hit through the sunroof of his vehicle. Nobody want to be #2.

Looks like Israel is warming up for going into Iran. They can call up the reserves on this Gaza mini-event so the troops will be ready in a few months.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#2 Nov 17, 2012
The police should have descended on the animals with truncheons and tear gas and beat some sense into them before hauling them off to jail.
Penelope

United States

#4 Nov 18, 2012
How long would you stay pissed if a population of foreigners took Ohio and refused to give it back? Palestine was a country in the middle east! Lebanon to the north and Egypt to its south. The post war atmosphere was the opportunity for European Jews to excape Hitlers Europe. Palestine was stolen from them much like America was stolen from its indigenous population.
They want their home back!!!
crazypeoplehere

Tel Aviv, Israel

#5 Nov 18, 2012
Penelope wrote:
How long would you stay pissed if a population of foreigners took Ohio and refused to give it back? Palestine was a country in the middle east! Lebanon to the north and Egypt to its south. The post war atmosphere was the opportunity for European Jews to excape Hitlers Europe. Palestine was stolen from them much like America was stolen from its indigenous population.
They want their home back!!!
While there has been an area called Palestine there has never been a country called Palestine.
Lebanon was only created in the 1940's like most of the countries in the region.
The Idea of recreating Palestine as the land for the Jewish people has been mentioned throughout history Napolean is an example who wanted to build a Jewish state in the West Bank with Hebron as its capital. in 1919 Emir Faisel and Weitzman agreed to build a Jewish state on the land. 1920's League of Nations signed off on it.
British Mandate restricted Jews for a couple of decades from arriving on the land if they had not many of the Jews murdered in the Holocaust would have left long before.

The Holocaust was so bad because Israel was not setup yet and Britain did not follow its Mandate to the law but the opposite.

You forget to mention there have been Jews living on the land continuously for thousands of years and tens of thousands of West Bank Palestinians claim they are Jews who were forcible converted less than a couple of centuries ago.
woodbridger

Bedford, OH

#6 Nov 18, 2012
Penelope wrote:
How long would you stay pissed if a population of foreigners took Ohio and refused to give it back? Palestine was a country in the middle east! Lebanon to the north and Egypt to its south. The post war atmosphere was the opportunity for European Jews to excape Hitlers Europe. Palestine was stolen from them much like America was stolen from its indigenous population.
They want their home back!!!
check out a book called the bible, it has a different take on this...
Penelope

United States

#7 Nov 18, 2012
Eloquently spoken! Bravo!
Unfortunately for the people of Gaza, there isn't a Giant with unlimited resources guaranteeing their invincibility. Using recognition by a world body to whether your home is "official" to determine its fate is ludicrous!
The Palestinians deserve recognition. There home...(not homeland) has been taken from them! Isn't that fact indisputable?
Penelope

United States

#8 Nov 18, 2012
I am a Freshman in High School. My knowledge of what happened to Palestine is mostly what I am taught in my World Studies class. Are you saying my teacher is bias and spreading propaganda?
crazypeoplehere

Tel Aviv, Israel

#9 Nov 18, 2012
Penelope wrote:
Unfortunately for the people of Gaza, there isn't a Giant with unlimited resources guaranteeing their invincibility.
not sure what the Giant reference is towards? Israel has built one of the most amazing and advanced countries in the world since the 1940's. Coming in the top in fields such as water, biotech, robotics, nanotech, medicine, electronics, solar, green cars, software, military, even TV with homeland and other shows originating from Israel. It is unlikely that one is using a computer or cellphone today without some technology invented in Israel.

over 250,000 of the 700,000-900,000 Arabs on the land in mid 1940's came from surrounding countries so that negates their ownership.
Over 70% of the land was not owned privately and what was was owned mostly by foreign land owners. only a few% of the land was owned by the local Arab workers.

The Mandate for Palestine which was agreed to by the Congress Senate and President of USA in the 1920's called to encourage Jewish immigration to the land and the building of institutions with the intent of passing control over to the Jews when they were ready. Britain went against this mandate and instead restricted Jews while encouraging others. In my opinion many died in the Holocaust due to this.

I do believe in individual property rights and that at least the Palestinians should have their own Autonomy as the Oslo Accord States. Not sure what you are claiming has been taken from them?
If a Palestinian claims ownership of a home and can prove it there should be compensation but only in a final agreement which will include land stolen from Jews at the same time. and two entities living side by side in peace.

The Arabs did run away after being told by their leaders that the Jews will be wiped out and then they can return. Should have thought twice. Also massacres against Jews during the war were almost 100% carried out by the local Arab CIVILIANS not the attacking armies and had been happening throughout the country for decades before the 1940's.

BTW Jews own large parts of Jordan and Southern Syria but are given no rights to them being Jews. 850,000 Jews were persecuted from the surrounding countries in the second half of last century with all their property worth billions stolen from them.

The PLO is the founding group of the Palestinians in the 1960's it did not call for a Palestinians state but a regional Arab state and the destruction of Israel, only after 1967 when the west bank returned to Israeli control did they decide to push for a state.

The Fatah/Hamas charter still call for the destruction of Israel and armed struggle against it.
The PLO Phased Plan from 1974 clearly states their agenda and a multiple step plan to continuously take more land and rights from Israel while using it to finally destroy Israel and take control of all the land.

Why would a group of people who were created as a nation with the sole purpose of wiping out another deserve anything.
Read the Hamas charter calling death to the Jews, no negotiations and so on.
Even with all of this Israel is still trying to negotiate.
This so called extreme right Netanyahu gave the Palestinians control of many of their cities in the 90's as PM and even stopped building for Jews in the Wb for 10 months something never done by any PM before.
Abbas refuses to negotiate for the past 4 years and the world blames Israel for no discussions.

You can find videos of the Palestinian leaders from the PLO and Fatah not even Hamas clearly stating:
Fatah and Hamas are the same just use different policies to reach their aims.
Even if given a state Palestinians in refugee camps will not be given citizenship.
No Jews will be allowed to live in a Palestinians state.(around 2million Palestinians are Israeli citizens.)
and much more.
crazypeoplehere

Tel Aviv, Israel

#10 Nov 18, 2012
Penelope wrote:
I am a Freshman in High School. My knowledge of what happened to Palestine is mostly what I am taught in my World Studies class. Are you saying my teacher is bias and spreading propaganda?
If you live in the USA chances are your history books are not so factual in general when dealing with religion or this side of politics. From my understanding various interest groups have changed what is taught in schools throughout the US.
This is clearer in a different way on College Campuses where Conservatives and People supporting Israel are targeted by students and teaches alike in very aggressive ways sometimes even having to conform to their teachers outlook to receive a decent grade.

As for your teacher i cannot say for sure but chances are they are left wing oriented, democrats, liberal as the majority of teachers are these days in your country.
They probably support Abbas as a moderate even though he was involved in the Munich Massacre against the Israeli Olympians, the ship hijacking where a Jew in a wheelchair was thrown off the ship and many other attacks against civilians. May even support Hamas which calls for the eradication of world Jewry without connecting the reality.

However most people are not very knowledgeable on the conflict which is not surprising when most American get their news from sources such as the daily show, NYTimes, NPR and other bias media.

Even in Israel people do not know the basic facts it is sad but the propaganda has carried on for decades brainwashing the population to believe false realities especially when it comes to Israel.

However much my reality may seem too extreme to believe in a peace treaty. I am still for Palestinian autonomy and even a state in the long run if they can stop the hate and murder the problem is they are more interested in destroying Israel than creating their own homeland.

Ask your teacher who the first Palestinian leader was?
Borders of the country Palestine?
Currency it uses?
Even Arabs such as Ahmad Tibi recognize that the Palestinian Arabs as a nation did not exist decades ago.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#11 Nov 18, 2012
Palistine people are desert banshee muslim murderers in my opinion. Always firing home made rockets at Israel. It seems every few years the Israelis haveto go in and clean up the place and beat them into submission once again. World peace cannot afford the muslim camel jocky murderous ways. Its time the muslims get civil and contribute to world peace like everyone else is doing.
Professor Ayreshire

Rio Rancho, NM

#12 Nov 18, 2012
Penelope wrote:
How long would you stay pissed if a population of foreigners took Ohio and refused to give it back? Palestine was a country in the middle east! Lebanon to the north and Egypt to its south. The post war atmosphere was the opportunity for European Jews to excape Hitlers Europe. Palestine was stolen from them much like America was stolen from its indigenous population.
They want their home back!!!
WHERE IS THE COUNTRY PASESTINE?? THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A COUNTRY CALLED PALESTINE!! NEVER!! ARE YOU THAT UNEDUCATED AND DO NOT KNOW THAT?? GET A FLIPPIN' EDUCATION! YOU'VE GOT THE INTERNET I'M SURE! TAKE YOU LAZY REAR END AND LOOK IT UP!!
How many FLIPPIN' times have you been told that there is no Palestine!! A thousand... Ten thousand??? What a stinkin' uneducated HamasaRAT lying scumbag!! Stop it with the filthy lies especially when you know for a fact that what you are spewing in an endless charade of ignorant nonsense are LIES and Propaganda!
How the hell can Israel steal Palestinian land that does not exist?? Where the hell is the country Palestine!! That would be a start!! You've been asked this a thousand times and still are as clueless as the day you were hatched in a test tube marked failure!! Now! Answer these quotes because your heroes stated in fact that Palestinians do not exist!!
"Peace for us means the destruction of Israel. We are preparing for an all out war, a war which will last for generations.
Answer:~Yasser Arafat~
~~~~~~~~~~
"The Palestinian people have no national identity. I, Yasser Arafat, man of destiny, will give them that identity through conflict with Israel."
Answer:~ Yasser Arafat ~
~~~~~~~~~~
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel. For our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of Palestinian people, since Arab national interest demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism".
Answer:~ Zahir Muhse'in ~

In 1944, Jews paid between $1000 and $1100 per acre mostly for arid or semi-arid land; in the same year, rich black soil in Iowa was selling for about $110 per acre (U.S. Dept. of Agriculture)"

--Land Ownership in Palestine, 1880-1948

Palestinians paid NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH!!!! SO HOW IN THE HELL CAN LAND BE STOLEN FROM THEM???

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According to British government statistics, prior to the establishment of the State of Israel, 8.6% of the land area now known as Israel was owned by Jews; 3.3% by Arabs who remained there; 16.5% by Arabs who left the country. More than 70% of the land was owned by the BRITISH GOVERNMENT!!! Under international law, ownership passed to Israel in 1948. The public lands included most of the Negev Desert --Survey of 1946, British Mandate Government
Professor Ayreshire

Rio Rancho, NM

#13 Nov 18, 2012
Penelope wrote:
I am a Freshman in High School. My knowledge of what happened to Palestine is mostly what I am taught in my World Studies class. Are you saying my teacher is bias and spreading propaganda?
Yes!!
woodbridger

Bedford, OH

#14 Nov 19, 2012
Penelope wrote:
I am a Freshman in High School. My knowledge of what happened to Palestine is mostly what I am taught in my World Studies class. Are you saying my teacher is bias and spreading propaganda?
yes..
F Phelps

Madison, WI

#15 Nov 19, 2012
If this continues I may need to return to fight these heathens.
Andrew

Israel

#16 Nov 22, 2012
Mitt

Buffalo, NY

#17 Nov 22, 2012
Penelope wrote:
How long would you stay pissed if a population of foreigners took Ohio and refused to give it back? Palestine was a country in the middle east! Lebanon to the north and Egypt to its south. The post war atmosphere was the opportunity for European Jews to excape Hitlers Europe. Palestine was stolen from them much like America was stolen from its indigenous population.
They want their home back!!!
I could be OK with it if they promised never to give it back.
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#18 Nov 22, 2012
Penelope wrote:
I am a Freshman in High School. My knowledge of what happened to Palestine is mostly what I am taught in my World Studies class. Are you saying my teacher is bias and spreading propaganda?
Yes he is. Where is your school? Dearborn?
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#19 Nov 22, 2012
Kingfish esq wrote:
Palistine people are desert banshee muslim murderers in my opinion. Always firing home made rockets at Israel. It seems every few years the Israelis haveto go in and clean up the place and beat them into submission once again. World peace cannot afford the muslim camel jocky murderous ways. Its time the muslims get civil and contribute to world peace like everyone else is doing.
The Israelis should round up all of the palestinians and shp them to Detroit. We aren't using the place anymore. It would be nice to see liquor store/check cashing places open for business in all those abandoned buildings. The Detroiters would not have to walk as far to buy lottery tickets, malt liquor and loose Kools.
Seminole

Buffalo, NY

#22 Nov 26, 2012
PATRIOT wrote:
<quoted text>
I will make it simple for you to understand. I am one of those who is a descendant of those "indigenous populations" you post about. Only we call ourselves Choctaw.
So, I want my people's land back right now. Pack your things and go back to whatever country you and your ancestors came from. You have 72 hours to leave.(You get 72 hours because of your delicate age and impressionable mind-other than that I want you to leave right now).
Yea, like that's going to happen.

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