14 detailed video's of the oakland county michigan serial child murders 1976-77
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#1 Aug 19, 2011
We have these 14 Videos up on YouTube view them at HelenDagner 1
#2 Aug 19, 2011
Videos have Voice from back in 1976-77 of the parents of the victims-The Task Force and witnesses and all of the news clipping from back in the day of the killings Lots and Lots of Photos -Part 1
Introduction , other children murders, Cynthia Cadieux, & Sheila Shrock, Mark Stebbins abduction & murder, Marks Mom, LE Albert Brown, Jane Allen
#3 Aug 19, 2011
Jill Robinson's mom, details of argument with Jill, father Tom Robinson, locations of Jill sightings, details of Jill's Bike and locations, and Spidey's testimony.
#4 Aug 19, 2011
Part # 3
Jill Robinson, Jill's premonition of being shot, Helen's description of Jill's books & Jill's favorite song, Kristine Mihelich murder, Kristine's mom describes her going to buy a magazine. mailman discovers body, LE Brooks Patterson, Helen's description of Kristine's clothes base on John's description and later confirmed by police photo.
#5 Aug 19, 2011
Tim King disappearance & murder, Barry King, LE Brooks Patterson, LE Chief Tobin, LE Robert Turner, Tim's baseball, Helen's documented information about John's situation around the dates of Tim's murder, speculation of the killer's personality, mail carriers asked to look for anything suspicious, Tim last seen standing NEAR blue Gremlin with suspect, and Tim's funeral.
#6 Aug 19, 2011
WXYZ Radio Peobody Award 1977, LE LT Robert Robertson Senior, Dr. Bruce Danto on theories of the killer, suspect 4 of the 7 murders are common to OCCK, Tom Robinson, LE Sgt. David Basha and details of Jane Louise Allen murder, & lack of public knowledge, who to contact.
#7 Aug 19, 2011
#6-KIller's snow theory & winter theory, Helen's map of pick ups and drop offs from John's location, Mark's funeral card at drop off after funeral, Helen's blow up of Mark's drop off scene with something being picked up in foreground during the investigation?(Empty pack of cigarettes?) Dr. Bruce Danto, the 'B' & 'L' pattern theory, Kristine news article with possible finger prints off of body?, Sgt. Joseph Krease picture and his opinion of killer.
#8 Aug 19, 2011
The red herring of the OCCK case, blue Gremlin, questionable lead in the investigation from the beginning, clean clothes on victims, clean theory, Dr. Bruce Danto, Robert Robertson Senior, Tim's finger nail scraped, Evidence of a light blue Pontiac Tempest car involved with OCCK.
#9 Aug 19, 2011
Wanted Poster of OCCK with details, three OCCK composite sketch drawings and history, comparison
between Helen's suspect John from 1967 and the 1st OCCK sketch, Lt Robert Robertson senior frustrations with the case, Oakland County Sheriff Johannes F. Spreen's opinions of the police investigation of the OCCK, Brooks Patterson debates against the sheriff's claims.
#10 Aug 19, 2011
Tom Robinsons complaints on the OCCK investigation and the lack of uniting the families to find commonality, LE Senior Robert Robertsons approach of keeping the families isolated, Helen documents the 3 other families getting together in 2009, Jill seeing counseling over her premonition of a man killing her and possibly a link, Karol Robinson complains about their LE contact not even knowing the case, art dealer John McKinneys murder and if it relates, Helens find of Johns family having connections to McKinney, description of the wall hanging piece of art stolen during McKinneys murder with more details than ever revealed before by the convenience of seeing it in Johns apartment in 1992.
#11 Aug 19, 2011
Part 10 Video-Oakland County Child Killer~
Birmingham tip process layout, grant funding reduced and reduction in personnel. LE LT Robert Robertson organization on investigations, the task team asked for some psychic help and Jerry Tobin debate over it, the story of the 'Allen' letter, the blonde composite sketch suspect, Chris Busch on Detective's Gray's wall (2006)?, the OCCK suspect gallery (updated 2011), Barry King receives FOIA request for OCCK documents, screen capture from Channel 4 Scott Lewis News coverage with Helen description hidden in the document, conclusion to Winter's Fear (Radio show).
#12 Aug 19, 2011
Casual Observer's Testimony
Birmingham Today - Reminiscing Yesterday
This video was originally made for my web site many years ago. It was recently compiled, processed and arranged for YouTube. The video was made by Casual Observer who had a mother-in-law that ran into a suspicious man at the Hunter Maple Pharmacy several hours before Tim King was abducted there. Her descriptions match the same descriptions that John told me about a woman she ran into at the same pharmacy. She had a son that was also with Tim King several hours before his abduction. This video documents Tim's abduction location where the Hunter-Maple pharmacy once was and where it all took place. She will walk you through Tim's neighborhood and what it's like today. She will also take you on a drive tour that this man was seen taking after seen at the pharmacy around Poppleton Park and ended up with him stopping in front of her house. He was obviously looking for Tim several hours before he finally found him. She will talk about the 555 building which was something else that John talked about.
In memory of Polly who tried so hard to convey to the police what she witness on that day.
#13 Aug 19, 2011
When the OCCK HD Archives project started it was just to document Helen's archives on the OCCK for public viewing on YouTube. As we progressed with it we asked her if anyone else wanted to contribute. As Helen asked around we did get Alpena Witness (AW) to come forward and provide us with his background, contacts in Alpena and information on the Big Boy restaurant and it's layout. This helped as we went to Alpena to investigate and catch some photos for the videos. AW refuses to be interviewed by the news however he did the next best thing, as he wanted something to go on the record. He expressed how bad he feels about hearing this conversation at Big Boy and doing nothing.. Because of all the controversy surrounding Helen and misleading lies passed around on the internet, he felt he should tell the people straight out that really do care what happen and what he experienced. So, he submitted sound files to us. From there we made three video compilations around them with direction from Helen.
Alpena Witness Speaks
Witness to Big Boy (1 of 3)
AW background, trip to Alpena, Big Boy restaurant layout, placemats with strange conversation in front of him on December 26, 1991.
#14 Aug 19, 2011
Alpena Witness Speaks
Witness to Big Boy (2 of 3)
Alpena has two Big Boy restaurants, the discussion in front of him and the eeriness, the Troy map that AW could see briefly,'Lucy In the Sky with Diamonds', AW's wrong conclusions about the discussion and why.
#15 Aug 19, 2011
Alpena Witness Speaks
Witness to Big Boy (3 of 3)
AW realizes 13 years later what the crazy discussion at Big Boy was really about from a written post from Helen on America's Most Wanted (AMW) website in 2004, AW's rude awakening to Helen & John story and the reality, Big Boy restaurant 'lower level' unknown to many young Alpena residents - exclusive photos of the 'lower level' of the Big Boy restaurant from employee private party from over 30 years ago, AW's several attempts at contacting LE and his own ventures in seeking the truth, AW's correspondence with John's family members on AMW website and an attempt at getting the truth out of them (Note - Thread was closed down by request of Helen Dagner), quest for search of Jill's books last seen in Alpena. Michigan (Please ask book collectors you know!!!!).
#16 Aug 19, 2011
You can also view everything at the-OCCK Headquarters-35 years of Oakland County Child Serial Murder History~
#17 Aug 19, 2011
-MAPS BY JOHN HASTINGS-Oakland County Child Serial Murders-Pick ups & Drop offs-OFFICIAL POLYGRAPH REPORT*
#18 Aug 19, 2011
The four known victims of the notorious Oakland County Child Killer ("OCCK")
spent a combined total of 32 terror-filled days being held captive before being murdered
and left on roadsides in 1976 and 1977. Two of the children were raped and one had
her face blown off with a shotgun. The cases remain open to this day.
Mark Stebbins, 12, of Ferndale, was abducted in February, 1976. His body was
found in a Southfield parking lot on February 19, 1976. Jill Robinson, 12, of Royal Oak,
was abducted on December 23, 1976 and her body left on the shoulder of I-75 in Troy,
in the early morning hours of December 26, 1976. Kristine Mihelich, 10, of Berkley was
abducted in January, 1977. Her body was found near a secluded road in Franklin
Village 18 days later. Tim King, 11, of Birmingham, was abducted on March 16, 1977
and his body left in a roadside ditch in Livonia six days later. The boys' bodies showed
evidence of having been bound.
The families of the victims of the OCCK continue to wait for answers to the
question of who killed their children in 1976 and 1977. The delay is ostensibly due to
evidence analysis still being performed by the Michigan State Police ("MSP") forensic
In February 2005 the MSP announced that their scientists were meticulously
combing over every piece of evidence in these cases using state-of-the-art technology
not previously available. In late August 2007 the MSP announced the re-analysis turned
up new genetic material. In late October 2008 the state crime lab examined a
Bloomfield Township home thought to have been a site where one or more of the four
children were held captive before being murdered. Additional evidence was allegedly
recently procured from articles of the children's clothing - after the August 2007
announcement - and is still being evaluated at the state lab??
#19 Aug 19, 2011
Photos of all the many Suspects are on Videos and at the Occk Headquarters~
#20 Aug 19, 2011
1. All four victims were alone when abducted; also, they were
all taken from business areas, in or near parking lots.2. Two victims were abducted on a Sunday afternoon, two on
a Wednesday evening.
3. Victims were held captive, for periods ranging from 3
to 19 days.
4. Victims appeared to have been well fed while held and
not subjected to weather or other exposure.
5. The victims were well cared for during their period of
captivity, including caring for their normal biological
needs. All the bodies were clean, and Tim King's body
was described as Clinically clean (his finger and toe
nails had been scraped).
6. All four victims were dressed in their own clothing
(possibly by someone else) just before or after death.
7. All four bodies were deposited along roadsides where
they would be readily found.
8. There was no evidence of sexual molestation of either
girl; both boys showed obvious anal dilation.
9. Apparently little if any force was used in the abductions;
no commotions were reported in this regard.
On the other hand, there are certain differences that tend to make
the interrelationship of the crimes less positive. For example, Jill Robinson
was killed along the edge of a highway with a shotgun, a noisy and attentiongetting
method, while the other three were smothered, probably by holding a
hand over their mouths and pinching their nostrils shut. Students of the
pathology of sex would probably point to the probable lack of interest in
pre-adolescent girls on the part of a homosexual assailant of young boys.
And, the killeld~ timing was inconsistent; the Stebbins boy was murdered in
February, 1976; the next victim was seized at the end of December, 1976,
followed by one in January and one in March. Also, the victims were kept
for varying lengths of time: 3~, 4, 6, and 19 days. There are other contradictory
aspects as well; the cleanliness of the victims has been seen by
investigators as a largely successful attempt on the part of the killer to
destroy possible evidence--scrapings from under fingernails, dirt from
clothing, or handprints on skin. These procedures, on the other hand, could
have been part of the compulsive cleanliness of a far-from-normal individual.
Perspective takes on special significance when making judgments on such details.
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