Should you declaw and debark, Cailfor...

Should you declaw and debark, Cailfornia says its ok

Posted in the Denver Forum

First Prev
of 2
Next Last
SnoopyDoo

Louisville, CO

#1 Feb 15, 2011
LOS ANGELES -- Cats scratch and dogs bark. Is declawing or debarking the answer?

Nearly 60 percent of American pet owners, including 55 percent of cat owners, say it is OK to have a cat declawed, but only 8 percent approve of having a dog's vocal cords removed, according to an Associated Press-Petside.com poll.

Experts say both surgeries are painful and alter the way the animals walk or talk.

Declawing a cat "is amputation. If you look at your fingers, declawing would be like amputating the last section of each finger. If you were declawed, you would have 10 little short fingers. It's amputation times 10," said veterinarian Louise Murray, vice president of the Bergh Memorial Animal Hospital in New York City. The hospital is part of the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Most vets won't do all four feet, because that is considered extremely inhumane and unsafe for the cat, she said.

Mary Sullivan, 84, of Chicago, said she had a cat declawed once because he kept slipping on slick floors in her apartment. "Shortly afterward he died. He was in agony the whole time. It broke my heart that I had it done. I'd never do that again," she said.

When she got Roger from Tails of Hope about seven years ago, a condition of the adoption was no declawing.

She said they showed her how to cover her furniture if there were a problem, but Roger, who's 14 now, doesn't care about furniture.

"It's not cruel to declaw your cats," said Jennifer Soloway, 60, a retired judge in Sacramento. Her cats, including Willie, who just died at 14, and Nemo, who is 15, were both declawed when they were young.

"They do not know they've been declawed. They made the same kneading movements. The recovery process was very short. They never showed any sign of pain," she said.

Declawing was necessary, she said. "My little daughter had scratches all over her. Everyone in the family had scratches. They destroyed our wallpaper. It was the only solution we could come up with," Soloway said.

Murray said it's hard to assess pain in cats. After surgery, they are "walking around on stumps with stitches" and if they dig around in their litter, they can be in a lot of pain.

The ASPCA opposes declawing, debarking, defanging, ear cropping and tail docking any elective surgery done to conform to breed standard or eliminate undesirable behavior except in extreme circumstances. For example, the health of a cat owner may be at risk if the owner has an immune system disorder or illness that leaves them susceptible to serious infection if scratched.

Ninety percent of pet owners oppose removing a dog's vocal cords. Forty-seven percent would favor a law making the procedure illegal, while 44 percent would oppose a law.

Last July, Massachusetts became the first state to ban elective devocalization surgeries for cats or dogs. Violations are punishable under the state's animal cruelty laws. Virginia lawmakers are considering a similar measure.

Of dog owners who took part in the poll, only 1 percent reported having the procedure done on their pet. There was no difference between dog owners and others who were asked if it was OK 89 percent who own dogs said no.

Veteran dog trainer and behaviorist Jonathan Klein of Culver City, Calif., would support a state ban on debarking because even though 90 percent sounds like a lot, it still means that for every 900,000 dog owners who oppose it, there are 100,000 who would not, he said.

"Devocalization needs to stop, but we have to approach it through education," said Klein, who has trained nearly 7,500 dogs over the past 23 years.

Debarking is a quick fix, but a good trainer can achieve the same result by working with a dog to find the cause instead of just looking at symptoms, he said..

Copyright 2011, KDVR-
SnoopyDoo

Louisville, CO

#2 Feb 15, 2011
Leave it to Californians to fabricate a poll so they can fell better about not being smart enough to train their own pets.."Hell lets rip out their vocal cords".."We dont want a dog that BARKS"..You should be ashamed and have your vocal cords removed..and put in a cage...and as you reach for the cage ...well rip out your claws too...

“As American as.......”

Level 4

Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#3 Feb 15, 2011
My dog barks if you get too close to the house. That's her job. I want her to tell me someone is there. If they don't belong there it gives me time to load the gun. Why in the world would I cut out her vocal cords or teach her not to bark?
Archie Bunker

United States

#4 Feb 15, 2011
Auntie Social List wrote:
My dog barks if you get too close to the house. That's her job. I want her to tell me someone is there. If they don't belong there it gives me time to load the gun. Why in the world would I cut out her vocal cords or teach her not to bark?
-
Your gun is to be always loaded
and ready for firing.

“As American as.......”

Level 4

Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#5 Feb 15, 2011
Archie Bunker wrote:
<quoted text>
-
Your gun is to be always loaded
and ready for firing.
Depends on who's in the house. If the nephews kids are around then clip in one place, gun in another, but both handy if you know where to look sometimes works better.
Archie Bunker

United States

#6 Feb 15, 2011
Auntie Social List wrote:
<quoted text>
Depends on who's in the house. If the nephews kids are around then clip in one place, gun in another, but both handy if you know where to look sometimes works better.
True.

“Remember when”

Since: Feb 11

we were free

#7 Feb 15, 2011
Auntie Social List wrote:
My dog barks if you get too close to the house. That's her job. I want her to tell me someone is there. If they don't belong there it gives me time to load the gun. Why in the world would I cut out her vocal cords or teach her not to bark?
Agreed, I'm a dog lover, but I think we should cut the fingers (just the ends) off of the Vets. that do this to the cats. Hell they only scratch stuff inside, for cats sake, build them a scratch station.
good times

Aurora, CO

#8 Feb 15, 2011
slocatch wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed, I'm a dog lover, but I think we should cut the fingers (just the ends) off of the Vets. that do this to the cats. Hell they only scratch stuff inside, for cats sake, build them a scratch station.
hey lady whats a scratch station?

“Remember when”

Since: Feb 11

we were free

#9 Feb 15, 2011
A piece of carpet tacked on a piece of wood, I'm not a lady.
good times

Aurora, CO

#10 Feb 15, 2011
sorry maam but im not one to judge who is a lady and who is not ladylike

“As American as.......”

Level 4

Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#11 Feb 15, 2011
slocatch wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed, I'm a dog lover, but I think we should cut the fingers (just the ends) off of the Vets. that do this to the cats. Hell they only scratch stuff inside, for cats sake, build them a scratch station.
Absolutely agree. Even indoor cats get out once in a while and if they are declawed they have no way to defend themselves. Sis worked for a vet and he wouldn't declaw cats, didn't believe it was fair to the cat. Scratching post works great!

“As American as.......”

Level 4

Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#12 Feb 15, 2011
slocatch wrote:
<quoted text>Agreed, I'm a dog lover, but I think we should cut the fingers (just the ends) off of the Vets. that do this to the cats. Hell they only scratch stuff inside, for cats sake, build them a scratch station.
Let me rephrase that for the peanut gallery. SIR, I absolutely agree with you!

“Remember when”

Since: Feb 11

we were free

#13 Feb 15, 2011
Auntie Social List wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me rephrase that for the peanut gallery. SIR, I absolutely agree with you!
Thanks, were good.
good times

Aurora, CO

#14 Feb 15, 2011
Auntie Social List wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me rephrase that for the peanut gallery. SIR, I absolutely agree with you!
sir i apologize im new here

“Why fart & waste it”

Level 2

Since: Dec 09

when you can burp & taste it?

#15 Feb 16, 2011
All of those things can have profound psychological effects on animals too, and not in a good way. They have claws and vocal cords for a reason. I would rather have my furniture scratched up than disable an animal like that.

“As American as.......”

Level 4

Since: Feb 11

Apple Pie

#16 Feb 16, 2011
good times wrote:
<quoted text>sir i apologize im new here
Thanks lady.

“Do unto others before”

Since: Apr 10

They do unto you

#17 Feb 16, 2011
i've got 2 cats, one is a tuxedo and the other is black. i would not declaw either of them. the people of california is weird anyway. most couldn't pour piss out of a boot, without directions on the heel.

“Paralyzed From the Neck Up”

Since: Jun 07

The Other White Meat

#18 Feb 16, 2011
DiMur wrote:
All of those things can have profound psychological effects on animals too, and not in a good way. They have claws and vocal cords for a reason. I would rather have my furniture scratched up than disable an animal like that.
You say that now, but you haven't seen what's left of the carpet on my top step. Ah, who am I kidding, I'd never declaw them. I'm always typing stupid stuff on here but nobody cuts off my fingers.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#19 Feb 16, 2011
WTH?

So, I was back home (CA) a this past summer, I saw this sticker on driver side window of a new car, there was a disclaimer, prop 69, that some products used in building this vehicle is known to cause cancer int he state of California, I about died laughing....I even saw a plaque on the side of my timeshare that said that some of the chemicals used in preserving the cedar siding causes cancer....I love CA, but they are all freaking nuts...well except my family that still lives there LOL

CA is all about "saving" everyone from themselves, but they can't balance their budget or come up with ways to save their dying state....maybe if they would quit passing unneeded props, laws, etc, they can work on rebuilding their economy.

“Paralyzed From the Neck Up”

Since: Jun 07

The Other White Meat

#20 Feb 16, 2011
Cheeka-Weeka wrote:
WTH?
So, I was back home (CA) a this past summer, I saw this sticker on driver side window of a new car, there was a disclaimer, prop 69, that some products used in building this vehicle is known to cause cancer int he state of California, I about died laughing....I even saw a plaque on the side of my timeshare that said that some of the chemicals used in preserving the cedar siding causes cancer....I love CA, but they are all freaking nuts...well except my family that still lives there LOL
CA is all about "saving" everyone from themselves, but they can't balance their budget or come up with ways to save their dying state....maybe if they would quit passing unneeded props, laws, etc, they can work on rebuilding their economy.
California is.......In the way of my beachfront property in Nevada.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 2
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Denver Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Play the "end of the word" game (Jul '11) 8 hr responsibility 4,311
News Colo. gay discrimination alleged over wedding cake (Jun '13) 10 hr Juan Carlos 58,904
Review: I Love Kickboxing- Lakewood (Dec '15) 21 hr jeremycoss 88
News Denver shatters record low temperature for firs... Wed surfeagleOrg 1
News Man fatally stabs pit bull to stop dog fight (Aug '07) Wed Oh Boy 518
News Man who gave 14-year-old Lakewood girl meth, pi... Feb 20 MOGADORE 2
Yvonne Anderson of Ya Ya Services, Inc. Feb 19 Pissed customer 2

Denver Jobs

More from around the web

Personal Finance

Denver Mortgages