JANE DOE Rape Kits... A legal can of worms the size of Chicago!

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OMG! I just this story on Foxnews about Jane Doe rape kits. Here's the link:

< http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,355485,00... ;

I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO against anyone raping or taking advantage of a women in a sexual way. But the very first thing that struck me was.... wait a sec... a women can go to an emergency (For free I'm quite sure) at ANY time, have forensic evidence taken... but NOT have to file a police report. Then, at some time in the future....(how long? Forever?) she can choose to report a rape occurred and she has what would amount to all the physical evidence you would need to get a convinction.

So.... psycho's can have sex with whoever... collect physical evidence. And then either hold it over their head, or wait for the relationship to end, and then file a report of rape, for which all the physical evidence to convict exists?

I'm sorry ladies. I HATE rape and would advocate severe penalties for rapists. But there is enough confusion out there with things already. If they actually put this kit into use (I'm sure it might help a few people) but the window for abuses to occur is so big, I can't even believe anyone would consider using it seriously. If you have been raped, then its a crime. If you can't report it to Police, but CAN get to an emergency room... than something is really, really wrong.

I SHUDDER to think of the false claims that would happen as a result of this. YIKES!5077

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Minoca Lewinski "saved" her own DNA on a "Little Blue Dress"...
It saved her life...

I do NOT support the notion of wanton "Rape" testing...If the issue is not reported IMMEDIATELY, the alleged "victim" should be charged with "Interfering With An Investigation", or "Witholding Evidence"...
Do NOT offer such an option unless the results are turned over to Law Enforcement right away...And, ban them from ANY Civil Proceedings, unless Criminal Guilt has been established...

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Man, my fingers don't want to work today..."Monica", DUH!!!

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Like I said. This scares the crap out of me. I can only begin to imagine the impact and reprecussions this will have. If a women is raped... then she has duty to report it if she wants action. If she has difficulty, why does she have difficulty? Was she with someone she shouldn't have been? Will she be in trouble from her parents? It doesn't really matter. Rape is a serious offense and a serious accusation. There is usually very little physical injury, there is a nearly infinite spectrum of emotional and psychological damage from little to overwelming. It just depends on how they deal with it.

But with such a touchy subject, if you have (however it occurred) managed to get to an emergency room and you've gone that far... I think the decision to involve L.E. is infinitely easier than the rape itself. If you don't want to involve the police, I have strong concerns as to what has happened. Personal, general embarrassment or fear of retribution are things that they can deal with. But not sure if you want to press charges??? Its this simple. Either it was a rape, or it wasn't. If you didn't want to and still DID, then it wasn't rape. Its called MARRIAGE! Get used to it. But if you said NO and they said YES and you said NO again and they kept going... then that is rape, its one sided and the simple choice is... either suck it up or fry the bastard, but make a decision. A day? A few days? Sure... I suppose so. But after 3 days... there is WAY too much opportunity for abuse.

I know this is a difficult subject, but for all the good intentions, we REALLY DON'T WANT a country where its easy to accuse and nearly impossible to defend, no matter how much good it seems to do. I know from my experience the bad far outweighs the tiny bit of good. I'd rather invest in more govt. counselors to try and convince rape victims at hospitals to report it, than this do-it-your-self sex offender conviction kit being advertised to the host of women with serious psych issues.

If Monica Lewinsky could nail the president with a blue dress... these kits are not necessary.

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There was a recent case back east where the "victim" consented to intercourse, changed her mind while participating in it, then cried "RAPE" because it took a mere 5 seconds for him to "pull out"...

I liken sex to a Roller Coaster ride...Once you get on, you've agreed to finish the ride...No more of this mid-stream crying from those who cimply wish to "change their mind"...
The only other option is to get consent in writing, and make it irrevokeable...Something that states thet "Both parties consent to participating in the act of sexual intercourse until copulation has been reached by both parties"...No more of the "He touched me" drama...

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Time for me to go to bed now...Fingers have malfunctioned one too many times tonight...
(at least I didn't blame the computer) LMAO!!!
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I see where Salon cited your post as "grumbling" and dismissed false reports as a "bugaboo." Whether the rape kits will lead to an increase in false reports of rape is worthy of more debate than simply shrugging the shoulders and dismissing contrary views with "but come on," as the Salon author did. Calling false reports a "bugaboo" minimizes the victimization of countless innocent men falsely accused of rape. A “bugaboo,” acconrding to my dictionary, is “an imaginary object of fear.” Sadly, this characterization is not factual, but it is consistent with the sexual assault counseling industry’s repeated reference to false reports as a rape “myth.”

False reports of rape are not a myth, but the gender feminists are bent on convincing everyone they are. In "Until Proven Innocent," the widely praised (praised even by the New York Times, which the book skewers) and painstaking study of the Duke Lacrosse non-rape case, Stuart Taylor and Professor K.C. Johnson explain that the exact number of false claims is elusive but "[t]he standard assertion by feminists that only 2 percent of rape claims are false, which traces to Susan Brownmiller's 1975 book "Against Our Will," is without empirical foundation and belied by a wealth of empirical data. These data suggest that at least 9 percent and probably closer to half of all rape claims are false ...." (Page 374.) The authors’ conclusion seems credible because, among other things, it doesn’t hide from the inherent uncertainty. Whatever the number, false reports are common, and they are not a “bugaboo.”

When the crime of false reporting of rape -- whose victims are almost exclusively male -- is discussed, it is almost always viewed through a gynocentric lens that blinks at the harm it causes innocent men. False accusations of rape, and the crime of false reporting, have become so embroiled in the gender-politicized sexual assault milieu that serious discourse about them is not socially acceptable. Even where false reports are acknowledged as a “serious” problem, innocent men are treated as little more than collateral damage in the larger war of insuring that more women "come forward."

While it is imperative that false accusations not dominate the public discourse about rape at the expense of dismissing prejudices true rape victims still face, removing false accusations from the discourse and dismissing the victimization of falsely accused men as a "myth" -- or a “bugaboo”-- is not merely dishonest but morally grotesque. That position denigrates innocent men who go through this ordeal, substitutes factually incorrect mantras for truth, and is, in fact, as hurtful as the ludicrous assertion that “she asked for it.”

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Wasn't the "Duke Lacrosse Scandal" enough?...Why are they so hell bent on bringing down our men?...

Quit sexualizing ALL women, especially the young ones...(Miley Cyrus)
Quit rewarding these same women for being sexual objects...(Paris Hilton)
And QUIT blaming the men for some of these women being SLUTS!!!
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Hussie, Duke Lacrosse was just the tip of the iceberg. We've started a Web site to chronicle news reports of false rape. Anywhere from 9-50 percent of all rape claims are false. Yet the only time one usually hears about false reports, it's a sexual assault counselor minimizing the prevalence of false reports -- calling them "a myth." It's the only crime where the people who talk about it most insist it's not a problem.

The cases are scary: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/
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Feminists are not out to prove that false claims of rape do not exist. Talk about stereotyping! I as a feminist am very well aware that there is far too many false claims out there and the women who make them only make it harder for actual victims of rape to get justice.

That being said, I think all of you are missing a very valid point here. I'm assuming none of you have ever been raped or have been very close to a victim of rape (and I hope that continues to be the case). There is a lot of psychological stuff that goes with such a trauma. Most victims, if any, aren't in the correct state of mind to think logically. Yes it is a logical thing to think that if one goes to a hospital to collect the evidence, they would press charges. But what makes you think they are in a rational state of mind? A lot of victims are terrified, emotional, and think that it's their fault. You cannot honestly expect someone in that kind of mindset to automatically be okay with filing a police report. The comments you guys are making are the kind of comments that keep women from even going to the hospital or telling anyone at all because society conditions victims to think that it is somehow their fault. Shame on you for continuing such closed-minded thinking!
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Also, this kit can probably help male victims of rape. Did you ever think about that? And yes, such things do happen, but it is so under reported because male victims are perhaps even more afraid and embarrassed than female ones to say anything about it.

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