Denver photo radar vans breaking traffic laws

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You often don't see them until it's too late. The flash of a camera makes you realize, you've been caught speeding by Denver's photo radar vans. Full Story
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Lloyd Quist

United States

#1 Aug 18, 2010
I never saw the camera. I never saw the ticket. Just a red card on my door nob saying I had two days to pay the fine or pay another $60 dollars for a personal contact.

The part that worries me is that if you want to challenge the ticket you have to pay $60 up front to excercise your rights in court ( at least in Boulder ). NO points, no police record, just cash - credit cards accepted of course !!!

I don't mind paying court costs if I go to court and I don't have a valid case , but $60 just to obtain the right to go to court !!! That seems very wrong.

These cameras, especially the stationary ones aren't infallable, they have flaws. Obviously, Boulder is aware of that and wants to minimize the chances of anyone questioning the program.

It seems they feel free not only to break the law in pursuit of the publics money, they want to take away you're fundamental right to a day in court as well.
Jack

Denver, CO

#2 Aug 18, 2010
Your story seems to show a violation of common law (going back 795 years to the year 1215), since the photo radar van driver is violating Denver traffic laws, while issuing speeding tickets.

http://www.servinghistory.com/topics/unclean_...

Unclean hands, sometimes clean hands doctrine or dirty hands doctrine is an equitable defense in which the defendant argues that the plaintiff is not entitled to obtain an equitable remedy on account of the fact that the plaintiff is acting unethically or has acted in bad faith with respect to the subject of the complaint - that is, with "unclean hands".
The doctrine is often stated as "those seeking equity must do equity" or "equity must come with clean hands".
Historically, the doctrine of unclean hands can be traced as far back as the Fourth Lateran Council.
Jamie

Colorado Springs, CO

#3 Aug 18, 2010
I am under the impression that by receiving a ticket from this van does not give you points on your license, is this correct? That it is essentially just a fundraiser for the city of Denver. Any idea on how much over the limit they will start taking your photo?

I agree that it is a scam that they charge you $60 just to question the fine and meet them in court but at the same time, for what reasons would you need to dispute the claim?(that is a serious question and not a statement that you're guilty upon being photoed, I just can't think of any thing that you could dispute the ticket over except for the van being on private property opposed to public). There has been only one time that I've seen a photo van parked on the side of the road and there NOT be a sign 100 yards infront of it advertising that photo radar is in effect up ahead. All the other times I have seen it, there has been a sign warning you and giving you enough time to slow down. Even at night, in the pitch black of dark, I have been aware of the van by the flash going off up ahead, warning me. And even when that happens, people are stupid enough to continue speeding and follow in the footsteps of people in front of them by receiving a ticket as well.
BLUE FLU

Castle Rock, CO

#4 Aug 18, 2010
They don't even break even. It is not a revenue generator. Police citations are not even revenue generators. After paying salaries, equipment courts etc. Do you really think there is any money left over? Most of the judges don't even impose the full fines on traffic tickets. The head Judge, Mary Celest, for Denver took away the reduced fines on tickets hoping this would bring in more money and all it did was cause more people to take their tickets to court costing the City more money in overtime and court costs. Now this is a news story. Photo radar was a pet project that has outrun its usefullness.
Mike-Golden

Denver, CO

#5 Aug 18, 2010
F-ers got me tonight in cherry creek! Worked till 8p tonight and wanted to get home for some supper...5-10mph over. TAXTAXTAXTAXTAXTAXTAXATAX
Jeff

Brighton, CO

#6 Aug 18, 2010
If people didn't speed and there wasn't a need for these vans out there making people slow down would any of us care?
Politically Incorrect

Golden, CO

#7 Aug 18, 2010
I really don't have a problem with photo radar. It all comes down to individual responsibility folks. If you speed, you run the risk of getting caught by one of these devices or even a real cop in person. It's that simple. Watch your speed. You really don't save that much time and the danger you present to others, not to mention the liability you subject yourself to, is just not worth it.

Now, what I really, really, really enjoy, is watching the cops on 225 southbound at the Tamarac/DTC Parkway exit stopping and ticketing those a$$hole$ that use the exit lanes to get ahead of everyone else then cut in line. Man, that's the best use of my tax dollars. I would totally support a $500 fine for those drivers. It's like a small war out there blocking their attempts to get in front of me EVERY MORNING!

KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK DENVER PD TRAFFIC DUDES!
NotPsychic

Boulder, CO

#8 Aug 18, 2010
I'm pretty sure these are NOT "DENVER PD TRAFFIC DUDES"...employed by a private company from out-of-state I"m sure. Redflex maybe. They do not report infractions to insurance agencies nor do they go on your driving record for insurance agencies to find...basically this means if you are rich you can flaunt the traffic laws (a "special" class of citizens even though we're all supposedly equal). When the traffic cameras and vans start deducting points from your license I MIGHT stand behidn them but until them it's basically an admission that they are not infallible (proven instances in which the cameras did not meet local standards or operators were not properly licensed/trained, equipment malfunctions, etc)but the system is rigged where fighting it is more of a hassle than the cost of the ticket is worth.

I'd much rather get pulled over by an actual police officer whom can actually arrest me or anyone else if there's reason to believe they should not be free than to watch video of a revenue generating traffic camera catching a triple fatality vehicle crash at a major intersection. Their legality is questionable at best imho.

Don't these cameras often get torched or otherwise vandalized in Europe (England mainly) quite often?
FLASH

Denver, CO

#9 Aug 18, 2010
Hardly anyone likes the photo radar vans, and the city likely only keeps them around for the constant revenue stream they produce.
I know a number of people working in law enforcement in the Denver area, and the photo radar vans are a topic of frequent discussion. The people working in these vans are not police officers, and the vans are not run by the police department. The vans routinely violate traffic laws, and the real police officers are told to take a "hands-off" approach when it comes time to provide enforcement action against them.
I'm of the opinion that all routine traffic tickets should require direct contact with a police officer, rather than just a flash followed by a envelope in the mail. Lets not be too quick to remove humans from this loop!
Politically Incorrect

Denver, CO

#10 Aug 19, 2010
NotPsychic wrote:
I'm pretty sure these are NOT "DENVER PD TRAFFIC DUDES"...employed by a private company from out-of-state I"m sure. Redflex maybe. They do not report infractions to insurance agencies nor do they go on your driving record for insurance agencies to find...basically this means if you are rich you can flaunt the traffic laws (a "special" class of citizens even though we're all supposedly equal). When the traffic cameras and vans start deducting points from your license I MIGHT stand behidn them but until them it's basically an admission that they are not infallible (proven instances in which the cameras did not meet local standards or operators were not properly licensed/trained, equipment malfunctions, etc)but the system is rigged where fighting it is more of a hassle than the cost of the ticket is worth.
I'd much rather get pulled over by an actual police officer whom can actually arrest me or anyone else if there's reason to believe they should not be free than to watch video of a revenue generating traffic camera catching a triple fatality vehicle crash at a major intersection. Their legality is questionable at best imho.
Don't these cameras often get torched or otherwise vandalized in Europe (England mainly) quite often?
By Denver PD traffic dudes, I was referring to the officers on southbound 225 at Tamarac weekday mornings...
Chillin Villin 303

Loveland, CO

#11 Aug 19, 2010
fox 31 please proof read and use spell check, you often look like 1st grade work
Chillin Villin 303

Loveland, CO

#12 Aug 19, 2010
"parking on unpaved surfacesis is prohibited".. REALLY
wowlfer

Denver, CO

#13 Aug 19, 2010
That's a joke. Police will not ticket themselves. Fox guarding the henhouse motives.
jody

Spring, TX

#14 Aug 19, 2010
I am against all cameras. I dont want to get a ticket for running a red or speeding. I dont want to be taped downtown. And i dont want the rosentol guy embarrasing the city of denver any more by releasing videos of the cops. The city is wasting my tax dollars and taking away my freedoms. That should be the real story. Things in denver were way fine before the cameras. Now all they do with them is make citizens angry and waste tax dollars. I dont need a big brother watching everything i do.
Alt

Commerce City, CO

#16 Aug 19, 2010
Are the phot vans suppose to post a sign saying thier is a photo radar is in use? There is usually a photo van parked on sante fe and most of the time the sign is not posted.
randy

Boulder, CO

#17 Aug 19, 2010
I totally support this kind of law enforcement, Maby people would drive a little more civilized, Drivers are out of control and have no reguards for the rest of motoring publics safety. I also believe cameras should be enough evidence to catch and convict drivers who do not have any reguards for other peoples safety, and should not be able to drive unless they take other peoples safety first. My God , Its gotton to the point, of bumper cars, road rage, elderly and new drivers dont have a chance, Aggresive drivers should lose there licences, Just because they have no reguards for there own safety, they should not put the rest of the motoring public at risk. Everyone is not a nascar driver, and the ones that are, should keep those driving habits of public roads.
Carl

Denver, CO

#18 Aug 19, 2010
I'm sorry but I moved to Colorado almost 11 years ago from Texas. Houston tried using camera's for taking photo's of speeders in the past. Law suits were filed due to the fact that it is a violation of our 4th amendment rights. As citizens of the United States we have an implied right to privacy. As far as I'm concerned Big Brother knows what we do and how we do it already. Why do we need to accept "Big Brother" taking photo's of us and invading our privacy. Not to mention in most states you cannot run radar from private property. I personally think the the state of Colorado needs to look at other states and how law enforcement as a whole operate. I have noticed that in the state of Colorado Law Enforcement can get away with things that would never be accepted in other states. And for you readers that think that I am just venting because I got a ticket that is not the case. I was in fact in law enforcement for 10 years.
Christus Regeln

Arvada, CO

#19 Aug 19, 2010
Naughty, naughty.
Annoyed

Elgin, TX

#20 Aug 19, 2010
Just got my picture taken this morning. They are set up on the other side of an overpass in a "school zone" on colfax. I was driving 30 because the sign said 20 when flashing (which it wasn't). This is why people have lost respect for our police
Deb

Denver, CO

#21 Aug 19, 2010
Thank you for finally reporting out loud what many are thinking.
I see them parked on grass areas quite often. That is someone's property, and there they are damaging the grass and breaking sprinkler heads off. I saw them parked on freshly laid sod once.
Really......the city needs to follow their own laws.

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