mom

Lubbock, TX

#124 Mar 1, 2013
Is anyone still following this? I am somewhat and have questions about the tox report and latest blog entry. Doesn't the BLOOD level of ami calculate to about 15.8 pills based on 5 liters of blood in the human body? Also based on 25 mg pills as referenced in the tox report. Eighteen said to be in the stomach contents and 16 in the blood equals 34. Not knowing the exact amount, as the tox report says, this amount is VERY close to the amount of 39 ami pills that the ME guy said was missing from the bottle. He said it in an interview. How could anyone believe that some intruder would use this med to cause harm when it could take hours to even cause toxicity symptoms?
mom

Lubbock, TX

#126 Mar 3, 2013
And why are there always people who keep saying that there might have been a little bullying going on but they totally ignore the drug levels, Morgan's health, and how the window tap accounts were consistent with hallucination? Do they want to ignore hallucination or don't they wonder if she could have been getting too much ami over a period of 4 months in eight official police calls, and that caused anticholinergic hallucination symptoms? Why does the focus stay off Morgan, the deceased person in all this?
mom

Lubbock, TX

#127 Mar 3, 2013
Ok, someone claiming to be family is on a public forum naming an old teen boyfriend and happiness, then saying how M dreamed of her death 3 years ago. Even writing everyone a letter. I'm just going to speculate. There is a pic of M that looks pregnant. At least 5 mos. Maybe more. She's wearing a necklace that looks like a pregnancy belly necklace. Was she? If so, why is it never mentioned? Was this all a cry for help and deep sadness?
Xxx

Australia

#128 Mar 13, 2013
Just finished watching the dr p show. One thing puzzles me, yes Morgans mum is going crazy and right so she is. She has lost a daughter. Yes she accuses the girl of drugging her daughter. Why is it that the girl on the show never viciously denied it, all she said when asked "did you do it?" she answers "show me the evidence" I believe she knows exactly how Morgan died. I believe there is something a lot deeper to this story. Im not gonna go on some bizarre twisted theory trying to work out what exactly happened . I think the teenagers in the area know exactly what kind of culture was amongst them all, not telling their parents. Maybe the girl being accused didn't kill Morgan , but she sure knows of something or someone who was behind it.
I also believe Morgans mom needs to be careful , accusing someone innocent could also cost them their own life. How would she feel if she wrongly accused someone , and something bad happens .
mom

Lubbock, TX

#129 Mar 13, 2013
Not bei g good at formulas and researching more, I think I miscalculated ng to mg per liter. The amount of ingested milligrams in the blood must be about 4 grams. Based on body weight that would be about 164 of 25 mg pills. Add the 18 in the stomach and it is around 180. That is the amount that is unaccounted for in the blog. Toni says Morgan took no pills for 2 years. Medical records showed Dr D that they were refilled an extra 6 months or so. That would be about 180 pills. A benzo and antihistamine showed a hit in stomach content testing. Both of these are recommended in suicide cocktail info as a way to depress the vomiting center of the brain and provide sleep. Did Morgan figure a way to get all the ami pills absorbed quicker for suicide or was it really redistribution of previously ingested meds? Could Morgan have taken too many for awhile , they became toxic causing acidisis and became active and unbound from the protein in her blood? She was sick the week before and complaining of being sick that night but the autopsy shows no signs of colds or flu. What was causing the heart pain N reported, the extreme weakness that Toni reported, and the cough that the dad reported?
Maggie

Washington, DC

#130 Mar 13, 2013
mom wrote:
Ok, someone claiming to be family is on a public forum naming an old teen boyfriend and happiness, then saying how M dreamed of her death 3 years ago. Even writing everyone a letter. I'm just going to speculate.[B]There is a pic of M that looks pregnant. At least 5 mos. Maybe more. She's wearing a necklace that looks like a pregnancy belly necklace. Was she? If so, why is it never mentioned?[/B] Was this all a cry for help and deep sadness?

I doubt the bold part. It would have been mentioned in the autopsy report. I get a feeling that Morgan my have attempted or threatened suicide before and that's why her medications were held by her parents, and why her mother claims to know when she picked up Rxs and how much was/wasn't using. I can't think of any other reason why parents would have to control the medications of a 20 year old who doesn't appear to need a caretaker in other areas of her life.
mom

Lubbock, TX

#131 Mar 13, 2013
I didn't mean pregnant at the time of death or even just before since she was ovulating ( I think, because of the ruptured corpus luteum). I meant in the past at some point. The friend's full name is on the nasty truth aboutK blog, and My death space posted a conversation, from L supposedly, and how happy Morgan was with him. The pic is public available to be viewed. Not trying to spread rumors but she looked pregnant. The necklace over the belly made me think even more of a child. It's nothing to be ashamed of if she was, and no big deal if she wasn't. If she was, it could be a big reason for depression and absolutely no reason to be blaming her mother for suicide.
Flightless Bird

United States

#132 Mar 13, 2013
Xxx wrote:
Just finished watching the dr p show. One thing puzzles me, yes Morgans mum is going crazy and right so she is. She has lost a daughter. Yes she accuses the girl of drugging her daughter. Why is it that the girl on the show never viciously denied it, all she said when asked "did you do it?" she answers "show me the evidence" I believe she knows exactly how Morgan died. I believe there is something a lot deeper to this story. Im not gonna go on some bizarre twisted theory trying to work out what exactly happened . I think the teenagers in the area know exactly what kind of culture was amongst them all, not telling their parents. Maybe the girl being accused didn't kill Morgan , but she sure knows of something or someone who was behind it.
I also believe Morgans mom needs to be careful , accusing someone innocent could also cost them their own life. How would she feel if she wrongly accused someone , and something bad happens .
I thought she handled herself very well. If you were being harassed, getting death threats, having details of your life exposed, having a mentally unstable woman vilify you in what is slander and libel (legal in Colorado to a degree) you woukd be exasperated too. Show me the evidence isnt as damning as people make it out to be. In fact, Toni has never been able to show ANY evidence of the girl's guilt. Indeed. Read her blog. She refers to evidence she is withholding but has said since September that she's going to show it shortly. She doesn't. She contradicts herself constantly. Even Dr Phil told her to back off. As for the girl, who knows what was edited that she may have said. That may not have been the question she was actually answering.
Flightless Bird

United States

#133 Mar 13, 2013
mom wrote:
Toni Ingram is not hollering stalker about some guy making death threats towards her "accused" on twitter and doesn't disassociate from it. How does she know he's not totally obsessed with her or something?
Toni is passively encouraging vigilante behavior. I hope the full impact of her actions overwhelm her and take her down in spades.
mom

Lubbock, TX

#134 Mar 13, 2013
There have been death threats, bad ones from the people who connect with her on twitter and even some on blog comments. "Where's the evidence" is about all anyone could say and about what a lawyer would advise. Dr Phil said it. The cops said it and so does most of the public reading.
mom

Lubbock, TX

#136 Mar 14, 2013
I hope Toni wasn't referring to me as Louise since I recently posted a long reply about possible suicide. I'm not anyone related and don't know anyone, but always thought the ami issue was odd. The drama that developed was disgusting so I started reading about the meds. How Morgan had all that ami in the blood but not a bit of the other meds detected in the stomach really does seem strange. If she researched how to do it and had other meds then why didn't she take them like the gloomy suicide websites instruct? I have no idea if ground up ami would absorb first if taken at the same time as the other pills or not, but it still doesn't seem right. Unless she took ground ami first in a pudding or something then the other on top of it. and it all just sat layered in the stomach and funneled down as it dissolved. But, that is not how websites say to do it. Something is supposed to be taken first to suppress vomiting. I still don't think the neighbors did anything but any mom would want answers about the medication.
ozskeptic

Parramatta, Australia

#137 Mar 15, 2013
Lauren wrote:
So I guess it's just a COINCIDENCE that the girl was being stalked.(proof of the male in the driveway on the video and female walking in the snow.
by "female" do you mean the one wearing a woollen bobble hat? Search images of Morgan. You'll see more than 1 of her wearing the very same style hat. None of the "stalker" footage shows sinister or criminal behaviour. Some of it doesn't even show a human. Anyone caught on camera was either taking a shortcut or it was Morgan sneaking in/out because her controlling mother treated her like a child & not the 20yr old that she was. The loitering guy did nothing sinister. His behaviour was simply that of someone waiting for a friend - the friend being Morgan. That girl had a life away from her mother. She had friends who loved her. If all this had really happened,, don't you think her friends would be screaming for justice? That age group practically live on line. Where are they?? Is it possible the kids in that town know full well that the accused are innocent & they're all too terrified to draw attention to themselves in case fingers start pointing at them next. We all believed Toni at first. Please people. Research. Think.
mom

Lubbock, TX

#138 Mar 16, 2013
I also had the thought that the pathologist said the stomach ami content was what killed her, but no. He said it was deliberate intoxication, then went on to say that the blood level was lethal and not post mortem redistribution. He ruled out redistribution! So, how were her blood levels so high? Why weren't those other meds mixed at all with that in her blood, how did she take it, stay in the bed to be found actually in it and not in the floor or something. Toni says she was in the bed. There are online cases describing patients ripping at their IV lines and being combative before going into a coma, and it happens quick but they are very drowsy. People with much less than Morgan had in the blood.
Xxx

Australia

#139 Mar 17, 2013
Flightless Bird wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought she handled herself very well. If you were being harassed, getting death threats, having details of your life exposed, having a mentally unstable woman vilify you in what is slander and libel (legal in Colorado to a degree) you woukd be exasperated too. Show me the evidence isnt as damning as people make it out to be. In fact, Toni has never been able to show ANY evidence of the girl's guilt. Indeed. Read her blog. She refers to evidence she is withholding but has said since September that she's going to show it shortly. She doesn't. She contradicts herself constantly. Even Dr Phil told her to back off. As for the girl, who knows what was edited that she may have said. That may not have been the question she was actually answering.
Yep sure thing flightless bird; I suspect you are the rat bag that appeared on the dr Phil show. Her answer was edited? My arse it was. Why would he have that edited. There is a lot more to this story , and yes Morgans mother
May have more evidence but under instructions from a lawyer wont release the info . This evidence my hinder the case if it ever goes to trial. Morgans mother is grieving but she aint
Crazy. I believe their was someone else behind Morgans death . It's quite easy to slag off someone's good name. But the truth will prevail in the end. Either way we should all remember that someone died here. I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore. People posting on here should watch what they post as it's all trackable
mom

Lubbock, TX

#140 Mar 17, 2013
I'm not comparing this lady to Morgan but she had a very high level of amytrptilline in the blood but none in the stomach. It was ruled a suicide but some thought accident, perhaps from taking too much over several days. A top suicide expert testified. There was a huge outrage, demands for welfare changes in Canada, and there is even a Justice website. She was Kimberly Rogers of Canada.
Flightless Bird

Birmingham, AL

#141 Mar 17, 2013
Xxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep sure thing flightless bird; I suspect you are the rat bag that appeared on the dr Phil show. Her answer was edited? My arse it was. Why would he have that edited. There is a lot more to this story , and yes Morgans mother
May have more evidence but under instructions from a lawyer wont release the info . This evidence my hinder the case if it ever goes to trial. Morgans mother is grieving but she aint
Crazy. I believe their was someone else behind Morgans death . It's quite easy to slag off someone's good name. But the truth will prevail in the end. Either way we should all remember that someone died here. I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore. People posting on here should watch what they post as it's all trackable
Can you us the King's English or am I going to need a decoder ring?
Flightless Bird

Birmingham, AL

#142 Mar 17, 2013
Xxx wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep sure thing flightless bird; I suspect you are the rat bag that appeared on the dr Phil show. Her answer was edited? My arse it was. Why would he have that edited. There is a lot more to this story , and yes Morgans mother
May have more evidence but under instructions from a lawyer wont release the info . This evidence my hinder the case if it ever goes to trial. Morgans mother is grieving but she aint
Crazy. I believe their was someone else behind Morgans death . It's quite easy to slag off someone's good name. But the truth will prevail in the end. Either way we should all remember that someone died here. I'm not going to argue with anyone anymore. People posting on here should watch what they post as it's all trackable
Lol, it's all trackable! Look, little girl, Toni is libeling and slandering two kids who are not even being investigated, as well as having been cleared by the police. Trackable! Most amusing. Inciting others to violence, that's what her respondents indicate. My opinion is trackable though! How old are you, 16? Do you understand what slander is and how it is different than freedom of speech? Do you understand what a restraining order is for and why several have been initiated against her?
mom

Ashburn, VA

#143 Mar 17, 2013
About the lady in my post: She too had the high levels but no slurry of pills in the stomach, and she had complained of feeling unwell that day. There was high stress going on, but she was reported to be upbeat and had lots of food in the house. The officer who responded thought things didn't look right. I'm not sure what he thought.
Xxx

Australia

#144 Mar 17, 2013
Flightless Bird wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol, it's all trackable! Look, little girl, Toni is libeling and slandering two kids who are not even being investigated, as well as having been cleared by the police. Trackable! Most amusing. Inciting others to violence, that's what her respondents indicate. My opinion is trackable though! How old are you, 16? Do you understand what slander is and how it is different than freedom of speech? Do you understand what a restraining order is for and why several have been initiated against her?
No I'm not 16.
I also know exactly what slander is. Yes I agree she should be careful in what she says about others who are innocent till proven guilty . I'm not here to pass judgement on anyone. It just appears there is something a lot more sinister to this case of death. I really hope both sides affected here do find their own peace.
I will follow this thread but being on here seems like its only upsetting some.
Hope u all find peace !
mom

Lubbock, TX

#145 Mar 26, 2013
It doesn't seem like the guaifenesin showing up in the stomach contents was ever really discussed. It seems so farfetched that a murderer would give a victim guaifenesin. It did show in the lab report under antihistamines. Assuming that any guaifenesin would only have benadry as the antihistamine, which would do nothing to prevent vomiting BUT benadryl is recommended for extrapyrimidal symptoms IF they happen DURING a suicide attempt. How could anyone think an intruder murderer would even think to include such a medication after giving the massive ami or even care.

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