US school shooting revives gun debate

Dec 14, 2012 Full story: Yahoo! 2,340

Relatives of those killed in past mass shootings reacted with outrage to Friday's news of another massacre at an elementary school in Connecticut.

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Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#1345 Jan 16, 2013
Respect71 wrote:
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Power hunger and out for control... How much freedom do we have left?
Like the "Patriot" Act.

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#1346 Jan 16, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
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No, because they keep out of the evening news cycle and public eye.
There isn't a gun law passed in the USA that the NRA doesn't know about and doesn't send out email alerts.

I know: requiring background checks on all gun sales will really make things harder for you as criminals won't be allowed to buy guns anymore.

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#1347 Jan 16, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
The ACA or Obama Care was voted on in a rare Saturday night session with around 3 hoursof this party's administration. This is how they roll.
Yeah... because the year that Congress had before the bill was passed- when Obama went to Congress and said 'let's work together on a bill we can agree on' and Boner put the word out that no Republican was to give an inch on the bill- wasn't enough.

It came as a complete surprise...

COUGH.

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#1348 Jan 16, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
"Sweeping gun control legislation has no chance - none - of enactment; it won't even be considered by the House, and the Senate is lukewarm."
~stomp stomp stomp~

BOSTON (Reuters)- Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick introduced a new series of gun laws on Wednesday that would tighten rules on sales of weapons and ammunition, in the wake of last month's deadly school shooting in neighboring Connecticut.

Patrick made the announcement a day after New York state adopted one of the toughest gun-control laws in the United States and shortly before President Barack Obama proposed a new national assault-weapons ban and strengthened background checks on prospective gun buyers.

"In the wake of too many tragedies, I have filed legislation to tackle the problem of gun violence and illegal firearm possession," Patrick, a Democrat, said in a statement.

He also proposed an increase in funding to the state's mental health programs aimed at reducing violence, in the wake of last month's mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, that left 28 people dead including 20 first graders.

The proposed Massachusetts legislation would require gun buyers to undergo background checks even when they made purchases at gun shows, limit buyers to purchasing one gun per month and reduce access to high-powered ammunition.

It would also require state courts to share relevant mental health records with state and criminal databases used to conduct background checks on potential gun buyers.

Patrick did not propose changing Massachusetts' assault-weapons ban, in place since 1998, which prohibits clips that carry more than 10 rounds of ammunition. New York strengthened its ban on assault weapons and cut clip size to seven rounds.

STATES LIMITED

The Newtown killings prompted some Americans, including officials in California, Maryland and Delaware, to call for tighter restrictions on weapons, a move that the National Rifle Association and its supporters have strongly opposed.

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sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#1349 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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There isn't a gun law passed in the USA that the NRA doesn't know about and doesn't send out email alerts.
I know: requiring background checks on all gun sales will really make things harder for you as criminals won't be allowed to buy guns anymore.
Less than 24 hours isn't enough time to notify anybody's constituency let alone allow time for feedback. This was done at night for a reason, keep the electorate in the dark. It was jammed through and timed to coincide with the President's speech. It's no coincidence that a future potential presidential candidate made it a point to be "the first" to pass what they consider "progessive" legislation.
sociopathic Liberals

Chico, CA

#1350 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Yeah... because the year that Congress had before the bill was passed- when Obama went to Congress and said 'let's work together on a bill we can agree on' and Boner put the word out that no Republican was to give an inch on the bill- wasn't enough.
It came as a complete surprise...
COUGH.
lemming syndrome:
A psychological quasi-condition in which the afflicted person becomes subject to the whims of a portion of popular culture, and bends his/her entire persona to conform to the norms dictated by the media moguls in charge of said trend.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1351 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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~stomp stomp stomp~
BOSTON (Reuters)- Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick introduced a new series of gun laws on Wednesday that would tighten rules on sales of weapons and ammunition, in the wake of last month's deadly school shooting in neighboring Connecticut.
Patrick made the announcement a day after New York state adopted one of the toughest gun-control laws in the United States and shortly before President Barack Obama proposed a new national assault-weapons ban and strengthened background checks on prospective gun buyers.
"In the wake of too many tragedies, I have filed legislation to tackle the problem of gun violence and illegal firearm possession," Patrick, a Democrat, said in a statement.
He also proposed an increase in funding to the state's mental health programs aimed at reducing violence, in the wake of last month's mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, that left 28 people dead including 20 first graders.
The proposed Massachusetts legislation would require gun buyers to undergo background checks even when they made purchases at gun shows, limit buyers to purchasing one gun per month and reduce access to high-powered ammunition.
It would also require state courts to share relevant mental health records with state and criminal databases used to conduct background checks on potential gun buyers.
Patrick did not propose changing Massachusetts' assault-weapons ban, in place since 1998, which prohibits clips that carry more than 10 rounds of ammunition. New York strengthened its ban on assault weapons and cut clip size to seven rounds.
STATES LIMITED
The Newtown killings prompted some Americans, including officials in California, Maryland and Delaware, to call for tighter restrictions on weapons, a move that the National Rifle Association and its supporters have strongly opposed.
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Since there is no limit on how many magazines one can carry and they make such fashionable dual magazine holders for belts plus holsters with a place for a spare magazine one could easily carry 29 bullets in New York, 7+7+7+7+1 In MA that would be 10+10+10+10+1(41) In addition one can legally carry two or three handguns concealed with a permit.

So much for good intentions.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#1352 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Yeah... because the year that Congress had before the bill was passed- when Obama went to Congress and said 'let's work together on a bill we can agree on' and Boner put the word out that no Republican was to give an inch on the bill- wasn't enough.
It came as a complete surprise...
COUGH.
They were making deals right up until the vote itself. It was a heavy week of negotiation with several Democrats voting against it. The Dems relied on a tired membership to cave or vote to get it the frack over with. If it was that cut and dry they would have held the vote to the following Monday.

Wearing down the opposition in negotiations is a common tactic. Some use it more than others.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1353 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The weapon used by the killer in Connecticut was obtained legally.
If his mother collected china instead of assault weapons, those children would be alive.
Unless he beat them all to death with his mother's fine china.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#1354 Jan 16, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Unless he beat them all to death with his mother's fine china.
Shards and/or pieces of broken glass/porcelian make a nastier weapon than a gun. Great, they'll be screaming to ban china now. They'll make everyone buy paper plates.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1355 Jan 16, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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2012-01-18
Washington has agreed to allow the importation of M1 Garand rifles from Seoul, reversing its earlier decision to ban the shipping of the weapon used by South Korean and U.S. soldiers during the 1950-53 Korean War, a senior defense official said Wednesday.
“The U.S. government approved the imports of some 86,000 of the rifles,” said Lee Sun-chul, deputy defense minister for force and resources management.
“The historic firearms are expected to be sold to American Korean War veterans and their families in time for the 62nd anniversary of the Korean War, which falls on June 25 this year.”
Kim Mi-sung, an official of the force and resources management office, said the defense ministry received an approval letter from the United States on Sept. 2 last year that stated Washington agreed to allow the importation of the M1s.
She noted that the U.S. government, however, rejected Seoul’s proposal to export some 600,000 M1 Carbines, which were also used in the Korean War, as they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds unlike the Garands.
“We plan to announce a bid later this month or in February for the selection of agencies to sell the M1 rifles to Americans,” Kim said.“The U.S. has been reviewing legal procedures for the approval of a third party transfer.”
The Obama administration blocked the purchase of 87,310 M1 Garands and 770,160 M1 Carbines in 2010, saying the American-made antique rifles could “potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes.”
www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2012/01/... - Cached
Only goes to show the power of the NRA. This administration has reversed itself more than once because of a public outcry when it came to gun restrictions.In Nov., the Interior Dept drafted rules to remove millions of acres of federal land from use by target shooters but eventually backed down after a public outcry.

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#1356 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Over forty percent of the weapons sold in the USA are sold without background check.
You have something to hide?
LOL... So more laws would keep weapons out of the bad guys hands? COLUMBINE!

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#1357 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The weapon used by the killer in Connecticut was obtained legally.
If his mother collected china instead of assault weapons, those children would be alive.
Your first statement is a lie. He stole the weapons.

Or they would have all been stabbed to death with shards of china. Removing rights from Americans isn't the answer.

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#1358 Jan 16, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Like the "Patriot" Act.
Like obamacare, gun laws, and higher taxes.
UfullCrap

Bowling Green, KY

#1359 Jan 16, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Only goes to show the power of the NRA. This administration has reversed itself more than once because of a public outcry when it came to gun restrictions.In Nov., the Interior Dept drafted rules to remove millions of acres of federal land from use by target shooters but eventually backed down after a public outcry.
so let's get this straight. First you post that the government banned M1s from being imported, BUT they were not and now you say millions of acres were to be banned BUT they were not. Is there any gun right you have lost in the past 4 years? Can you just name one in four years? Or you just to tell stories about what may have been or could have been.
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downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1360 Jan 16, 2013
Makes sense wrote:
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So how did the liberal gun laws in Arizona help Congresswoman Giffords and all the others gunned down? Why didn't MORE guns keep everyone safer???? We don't need more guns and assault weapons.
Agreed. We DO need mental healthcare to be part of Obamacare and background checks that include mental stability. The best way to do that is to put the onus on the gun dealers for the consequences of their sales, like bar owners who sell to drunks.
Those liberal gun laws certainly helped some of the 7000 parishioners in the New Life church in Aurora,Co from becoming victims in 2007..
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1361 Jan 16, 2013
UfullCrap wrote:
<quoted text>so let's get this straight. First you post that the government banned M1s from being imported, BUT they were not and now you say millions of acres were to be banned BUT they were not. Is there any gun right you have lost in the past 4 years? Can you just name one in four years? Or you just to tell stories about what may have been or could have been.
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If I still lived in New York my handgun magazines now would be illegal if fully loaded.
The administration reversed its ban on importing the M1s and on the land restriction and we will scream every time the administration tries to restrict our 2nd Amendment rights.
UfullCrap

Bowling Green, KY

#1362 Jan 16, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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If I still lived in New York my handgun magazines now would be illegal if fully loaded.
The administration reversed its ban on importing the M1s and on the land restriction and we will scream every time the administration tries to restrict our 2nd Amendment rights.
So again I ask. You are posting all this crap about Obama and gun rights. Please for our listeners at home name one Right you have lost due to Obama being President.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1363 Jan 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Over forty percent of the weapons sold in the USA are sold without background check.
You have something to hide?
That 40% figure is taken from stats over eighteen years old. Got anything newer, say from this century?
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#1364 Jan 16, 2013
UfullCrap wrote:
<quoted text>So again I ask. You are posting all this crap about Obama and gun rights. Please for our listeners at home name one Right you have lost due to Obama being President.
It is not like he didn't try. In December,Obama told Congress that he doesn’t consider himself bound by federal laws that limit his ability to use tax dollars to promote gun control.
Obama's two supreme court appointees, Sotomayor and Kagan are both anti gun as is the Fast and Furious Fiasco Attorney General, Eric Holder. If Obama gets to appoint another anti gun liberal to the supreme court they will be in the majority and could reverse the Heller and McDonald decisions stating the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right. Obama's choice for head of the BATF, Andrew Travers is so anti gun that the senate blocked his confirmation.. Obama's nomination of Caitlin Halligan, formerly the solicitor general of New York, to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals would have put another rabid anti-gun activist in a position where she could do maximum damage to the Second Amendment but she wasn't confirmed either. Because of Operation Fast and Furious the Obama administration’s BATFE wrote, and began implementing, a new rule that would require gun dealers in the four U.S. states that border Mexico to report sales of multiple semi-automatic rifles to the ATF. Nothing like creating a crisis to implement more gun control by the feds. The fact that I haven't lost any 2nd Amendment rights isn't that he hasn't tried, he just is a bit inept at how to dismantle those parts of the constitution that he doesn't like.

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