Coloradans against civil-unions bill rally at state Capitol

Jan 25, 2013 Full story: Denver Post 49

Part religious retreat, part political rally, a wave of speakers stood on the west steps of the state Capitol on Friday to denounce a civil-unions bill winding through the legislature.

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#22 Jan 28, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
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<quoted text>So are same sex couples, they could go to a jurisdiction that licenses same sex marriage or a religious marriage ceremony. Do you really want marriage exams to measure fertility? How would you run the score and still respect privacy?
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I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that the "procreation arguments" has NO place in the arguments against sane sex marriage.

No "fertility exam" is never conducted on ANY couple, gay or straight, in order to receive a marriage license. Nor should it be.

However, it IS still important that every jurisdiction in the country recognize the marriages of it's gay citizens.

And we will make sure that happens.

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#26 Jan 29, 2013
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Equality under the law is guaranteed to ALL, unless there is a state interest in doing otherwise. Where in the Constitution does it exclude one gender or another from that equal protection? I believe most of us missed that section.
You should read section two of the 14th Amendment; it explicitly lists different rights for males and females, along with different rights for citizens and non-citizens or minors and adults.

Imagine what same sex marriage could mean for institutionalized prisoners. If you think prison rape is bad, wait for prison honeymoons.

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#27 Jan 29, 2013
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Good Bill. Creates a Civil-Union. Is identified as a Civil-Union, not a Marriage.
>>>The Act shall not be construed to create a marriage between the
parties to a civil union or alter the public policy of this state that
recognizes only the union of one man and one woman as a marriage.<<<
Also an out of state gay "Marriage" that moves to Colorado becomes subject to Civil-Union Act and ceases to be identified as a Marriage.
So many gays miss the boat because they insist on using the word marriage. The Colorado Act grants almost all of benefits availabe to a married couple, and covers all of the rights gays think they are entitled to, except they don't get the word Marriage.
The problem is it creates a different institution and it also downgrades a Same-Sex Couples legal marriage to basically 2nd Class status......and the likelihood is it will be challenged as UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

The problem is words like "ALMOST", "NEARLY" and "VIRTUALLY" these words clearly make it a stepping stone only........and until Full Marriage Equality is gained.......this is only a step!!!

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#28 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You should read section two of the 14th Amendment; it explicitly lists different rights for males and females, along with different rights for citizens and non-citizens or minors and adults.
Imagine what same sex marriage could mean for institutionalized prisoners. If you think prison rape is bad, wait for prison honeymoons.
No it doesn't Brian!!!

If prisoners are allowed to marry heterosexually, why shouldn't they be allowed to marry someone of the Same-Sex?

You have heard that Women may soon be eligible for Combat Duty on the Front Lines, right?

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#29 Jan 29, 2013
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No it doesn't Brian!!! If prisoners are allowed to marry heterosexually, why shouldn't they be allowed to marry someone of the Same-Sex?
Because prisons are gender segregated and consent is problematic, in prison environments. Same sex marriage in prison populations jeopardize the right of consent.

Keep marriage male/female and keep prison rape illegal.

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NorCal Native wrote:
You have heard that Women may soon be eligible for Combat Duty on the Front Lines, right?
Then we should have segregated units. Women usually fail combat courses so standards will have to change. Women should be trained and stationed separately since so few women meet the physical standards.

I think the Obama administration's leftist gender equality agenda will get our greatest heroes killed, as well as add more of our daughters to the lists of the fallen. I'm for women and children first to the lifeboats; not women to the front lines.

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#30 Jan 29, 2013
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I'm glad that you are finally agreeing that the "procreation arguments" has NO place in the arguments against sane sex marriage.
No, I see it's a bad argument from the same sex marriage supporter's views. Procreation is a benefit from marriage, along with raising children at minimal cost to other taxpayers. Same sex couples can't provide that same benefit; they would take the perquisites of marriage without providing benefits. Same sex marriage is freeloader policy.

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Quest wrote:
No "fertility exam" is never conducted on ANY couple, gay or straight, in order to receive a marriage license. Nor should it be.
There you go; procreation is a benefit of marriage but not a requirement; glad we can agree.

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Quest wrote:
However, it IS still important that every jurisdiction in the country recognize the marriages of it's gay citizens.
No jurisdictions should recognize marriage as other than male/female. Gender segregation marriage might cause great harm in prisons, where consent is problematic.

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Quest wrote:
And we will make sure that happens.
Let's see. Conservatives want to keep marriage as is, one man and one woman. Vice President Biden voted to make DOMA the law of the land; one man and one woman marriage prevails.

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#31 Jan 29, 2013
WMCOL wrote:
Good Bill. Creates a Civil-Union. Is identified as a Civil-Union, not a Marriage.
>>>The Act shall not be construed to create a marriage between the
parties to a civil union or alter the public policy of this state that
recognizes only the union of one man and one woman as a marriage.<<<
Also an out of state gay "Marriage" that moves to Colorado becomes subject to Civil-Union Act and ceases to be identified as a Marriage.
So many gays miss the boat because they insist on using the word marriage. The Colorado Act grants almost all of benefits availabe to a married couple, and covers all of the rights gays think they are entitled to, except they don't get the word Marriage.
That violates the Full Faith and Credit clause of the US Constitution.

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#32 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Because prisons are gender segregated and consent is problematic, in prison environments. Same sex marriage in prison populations jeopardize the right of consent.
Keep marriage male/female and keep prison rape illegal.
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<quoted text>Then we should have segregated units. Women usually fail combat courses so standards will have to change. Women should be trained and stationed separately since so few women meet the physical standards.
I think the Obama administration's leftist gender equality agenda will get our greatest heroes killed, as well as add more of our daughters to the lists of the fallen. I'm for women and children first to the lifeboats; not women to the front lines.
Says who?

Where are your stats that show Women fail combat courses? Why should women be segregated again if according to you, so few meet the physical standards?

Who are you to judge women's abilities? If they can pass the physical requirements and all of the other requirements.....why shouldn't they get a chance to prove themselves?

Not all women will meet the demands of being in a combat unit......but those that are, should be allowed to do it!!!

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#33 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>You should read section two of the 14th Amendment; it explicitly lists different rights for males and females, along with different rights for citizens and non-citizens or minors and adults.
Imagine what same sex marriage could mean for institutionalized prisoners. If you think prison rape is bad, wait for prison honeymoons.
Where?

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/con...

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#34 Jan 29, 2013
Keep our daughters, sisters and wives out of combat units; keep marriage male/female.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
[Ibid]

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#35 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Keep our daughters, sisters and wives out of combat units; keep marriage male/female.
Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
[Ibid]
And the XVth and XXVIth did what to that?

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#36 Jan 29, 2013
Later amendments don't invalidate earlier ones; they only apply within the words of the law.

The 15th Amendment says:
"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

I'm trying to stop congress from enforcing same sex marriage laws; they need to enforce DOMA.

What does the 25th Amendment and presidential secession have to do with the fact, the law recognizes male and female as distinctive classes. As such, Congress has a responsibility to protect the gender equality of male/female marriage; to keep diversity and integration. We must fight the segregation and gender apartheid brought by same sex marriage.

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#37 Jan 29, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Later amendments don't invalidate earlier ones; they only apply within the words of the law.
The 15th Amendment says:
"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."
I'm trying to stop congress from enforcing same sex marriage laws; they need to enforce DOMA.
What does the 25th Amendment and presidential secession have to do with the fact, the law recognizes male and female as distinctive classes. As such, Congress has a responsibility to protect the gender equality of male/female marriage; to keep diversity and integration. We must fight the segregation and gender apartheid brought by same sex marriage.
The Constitution used to see "Person" and "3/5ths Person" as distinct classes.

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#38 Jan 29, 2013
Sigh...

"But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State."

The 19th guaranteed women the right to vote.

That nullifies the effect of the exclusion noted in the 14th. The rest of the 14th requires equal treatment for "all persons".

(The 26th lowered the age to 18.)

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#39 Jan 29, 2013
The 5th also requires "no person" be deprived of equal treatment.

One of the many reasons the ERA failed to gain support was the understanding of many they already had equal protections under the 5th and 14th amendments.

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#40 Jan 30, 2013
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The Constitution used to see "Person" and "3/5ths Person" as distinct classes.
True, and no amendment for gender equality; the ERA failed ratification. Same sex marriage is unconstitutional.
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#43 Jan 30, 2013
“As irrational prejudice plainly never constitutes a legitimate government interest, this court must hold that Section 3 of DOMA as applied to Plaintiffs violates the equal protection principles embodied in the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution.”(Gill)

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#44 Jan 30, 2013
Conclusion: DOMA, as it relates to Golinski's case, "violates her right to equal protection of the law under the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution" and "the statute fails to satisfy heightened scrutiny and is unconstitutional as applied to Ms. Golinski."
(Golinski)

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#45 Jan 30, 2013
This coming from a state that voted IN FAVOR of legalizing pot? Wonder how many of those at the state capitol voted FOR that?

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