Obamacare is Dhimmitude!

Obamacare is Dhimmitude!

Posted in the Denver Forum

Elbert

Kiowa, CO

#1 Apr 27, 2010
Word of the day: Dhimmitude
Goggle it, or find the meaning at the bottom.

When used in this context:

Muslims are specifically exempted from the government mandate to purchase insurance, and also from the penalty tax for being uninsured.
Islam considers insurance to be "gambling", "risk-taking" and "usury" and is thus banned. Muslims are specifically granted exemption BASED ON THIS.

How convenient. So this Christian will have crippling IRS liens placed against all of her assets, including real estate, cattle, and even accounts receivables, and will face hard prison time because she will refuse to buy insurance or pay the penalty tax. Meanwhile, Louis Farrakhan Mulium) will have no such penalty and will have 100% of his health needs paid for by the de facto government insurance.

Non-muslims will be paying a tax to subsidize muslims. Period. This is Dhimmitude.

"Dhimmitude serves two purposes: it enriches the muslim masters AND serves to drive conversions to Islam.--- In this case, the incentive to convert to Islam will be taken up by those in the inner-cities as well as the godless Generation X, Y and Z types who have no moral anchor. If you don't believe in Christ to begin with, it is no problem whatsoever to sell Him for 30 pieces of silver". "Sure, I'll be a muslim if it means free health insurance and no taxes.

Where do I sign........?"

Level 2

Since: Nov 09

Denver, CO

#2 Apr 27, 2010
I've read this before, and it burns me up! Thanks for the post Elbert.
GI Kevin

Denver, CO

#3 Apr 27, 2010
I am sure you heard this on Beck or from Rush, who, like most other things, failed to fully disclose the truth. Yes, there is a way to evade being penalized. However, to accomplish this, you must be a member of an established religious sect which has been in constant existence since at least Dec. 31, 1950, and requires the sect to reject not only insurance but also have sworn off receiving all benefits from the U.S. Social Security system. This represents less than 0.1% of the Muslim faith in America.
By and large the biggest group of people that will be exempted are the Amish.
Any of you nutjobs really want out, you can join the Christian Healthcare Ministries. It does require money though.
Nice attempt.
Owned
cjrian

Denver, CO

#4 Apr 27, 2010
Owned? I think not!

Any "law" that inherently treats people differently, based on some subjective criteria, is flawed at its core. This Country was built on equal application of the law. Not some arbitrary judgement or built-in difference in applicability, but on equality of application.

The failure to disclose the truth lies with the promulgators of this fiasco. They called every independent analysis flawed. They used blatantly bogus estimates of cost and effect. They failed to account for human dynamic reactions to the laws effects. They lied. Who are "they"? Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and all the other foisters of this blatant power grab.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#5 Apr 27, 2010
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2010/04/1408...
Washington, DC
April 27, 2010

In response to President Obama’s commitment to partnership with Muslim communities worldwide based on mutual interest and mutual respect and the 2010 Presidential Summit on Entrepreneurship, the Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs (ECA) has forged partnerships with Business for Diplomatic Action (BDA) and Entrepreneurs’ Organization (EO) to expand exchange programs and pursue new opportunities in entrepreneurship and innovation. ECA’s International Visitor Leadership Program,“New Beginning: Entrepreneurship and Business Innovation,” will bring twenty-five entrepreneurs per year from countries with significant Muslim populations to the United States over the next four years for educational seminars, mentorship, and first-hand experience in the business place with American entrepreneurs. ECA will also work with private sector partners to send 100 American entrepreneurs abroad over the next four years.
Elbert

Kiowa, CO

#6 Apr 27, 2010
Why should a tax paying Americain have to join any Ministrie, or other establishment to avoiade being Why should a tax paying American have to join any Ministry, or other establishment to avoid being forced by law to purchase something we might not have today? In your list of exempt individuals you forgot Representatives and Senators.
We are talking about healthcare law, not social security, the other social program run into the ground by the government.
Sorry, wrong again, don't have time to watch Beck, nor Rush, or whatever the typical stereotypical Liberal Waco blames for reality, I work for a living, and yes I smile which both burns your bum I’m sure.
USMale24

Hollywood, FL

#7 Jul 29, 2010
We should not have to be forced to purchase insurance in the first place. But, since that is the way thing are headed. Every one should be equal. Is that not what so manny people want "Equality"? Dhimmitude is just another peace of the puzzle proving how our country is loosing its grip on our Founding Fathers wishe.
appie

Arcadia, CA

#8 Oct 14, 2010
Where is the aclu .Sines when do we mix church and state by omitting a religion from a law for all U.S.people
Bill

Waco, TX

#9 Oct 18, 2010
GI Kevin wrote:
I am sure you heard this on Beck or from Rush, who, like most other things, failed to fully disclose the truth. Yes, there is a way to evade being penalized. However, to accomplish this, you must be a member of an established religious sect which has been in constant existence since at least Dec. 31, 1950, and requires the sect to reject not only insurance but also have sworn off receiving all benefits from the U.S. Social Security system. This represents less than 0.1% of the Muslim faith in America.
By and large the biggest group of people that will be exempted are the Amish.
Any of you nutjobs really want out, you can join the Christian Healthcare Ministries. It does require money though.
Nice attempt.
Owned
....and even if you are correct, which I highly doubt, the bureaucratic process to determine the authentic membership of "established religious sects in existence prior to Dec 31st, 1950" will implode in Agency growth, ultimately compromising accountability, leaving the door wide open for Muslim influence and conversions of peoples who don't want to pay. Nice attempt with the 0.1% reduce to the ridiculous. Even one is too many, nutjob.
granny in louisville

Clarksville, TN

#10 Oct 27, 2010
it is time to get out the vote and get rid of everyone who voted for such a socialist piece of trash, oops legislation. Please, please the future of the United States of America is in your hands, take back our country.
Elbert

Kiowa, CO

#11 Oct 28, 2010
As we recently learned the teachers union have been granted a waver from Obamacare law when thay learned they would loose their current coverage.

So what do the rest of us do? My open inrollment started this week and due to "healthcare reform" in the US my coverage is cut in half, out of pocket cost doubled.

Via Big Government.

The irony would be humorous if it weren’t so sad: The United Federation of Teachers, the New York City branch of the American Federation of Teachers, which pushed ardently for ObamaCare has now requested – and received – a waiver from its mandates.

The UFT is a member of New York State United Teachers (NYSUT). In September 2009, the NYSUT’s website published “Health care reform: facts vs. myths.” Here’s an excerpt:

•Myth: Health care reform will force you out of your current insurance plan or force you to change doctors.
•Fact: You can keep your existing insurance; reform will expand your medical options, not eliminate them.
ObamaCare was such a great idea at the time - the AFT gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to Healthcare for America Now, the leading organization pushing for the government takeover of health care.

It was announced Thursday that the UFT has requested and received an Obamacare-waiver after it discovered their members would end up losing their health insurance plans. Uh oh.

According to USA Today,“The waivers are effective for a year and were granted to insurance plans and companies (i.e. the union and its affiliated “UFT Welfare Fund”) that showed that employee premiums would rise or that workers would lose coverage without them.”

If the union thought ObamaCare would benefit the country, then why seek a waiver? And can we now count the union as a partner in the effort to repeal it?

This what big Miky Bennet voted for, who also is exempt. No wonder he dodges all the interviews, he has nothing to talk about. Except for "I will do this, or that", not once heard him say "I did that"...
Big difference.
booray

Charleston, WV

#12 Nov 3, 2010
DHIMMITUDE - must come from Dhimocrats.

Since: Nov 10

Tulsa, OK

#13 Nov 5, 2010
Hey GI Kevin,

Are you a GI? If so, what branch of the military did you serve? Probably the "Don't ask, don't tell" branch.

I ALMOST feel sorry for you. Obviously, it's YOU who has been OWNED! By 10 apparently intelligent folks across our beloved country.

Hmm...10 to 1. That's a pretty good record for a college football team, too. Might get them into the BCS National Championship game this season! My team won't make it, but I'll still be watching to see which government bailed-out company might be sponsoring it this year. With OUR tax money.

Yes, you are allowed your freedom of speech and opinion. And the right to make stupid commentary. We all are. Still, 10 to 1 speaks quite loudly! In MY opinion, that is.

Forrest Gump's mama said, "Stupid is as stupid does". The comedian Ron White says, "You can't fix stupid". And stupid people have certainly 'fixed' our country. Fixed it to be at war amongst ourselves over ridiculous pieces of legislation like O-dumb-uh-don't-care. And no, I don't totally blame Obama or all Dumbocraps for our country's ills. Well, maybe Pelosi ("We have pass the bill to see what's in it.") S-T-U-P-I-D did!!!

What I do blame is STUPIDITY! Unfortunately, it comes in all shapes and sizes, and from various races, colors, creeds, political preferences, religions, the left, the right, north, south, east, and west.

My definition of stupidity includes greed. Which includes thieves. Which includes the entitlement mentality. Which includes the lazy people in our society. Hmm...that brings us right back to stupidity. Quite a vicious circle, isn't it.

Back in the '60s, Nikita Khrushchev said the USSR won't need to annihilate the USA by dropping a bomb on us (in so many words). He stated we will merely destroy ourselves. Obviously, he was watching and reading our liberal media outlets during that tumultuous decade. Yes, it's more than 40 years later, but he's sure sounding a little Nostradamus-ish now. Maybe 2012 will get us before we do it to each other.

No, I will not become Muslim or Amish to opt out of O-dumb-uh-don't-care. I am not a terrorist and I love modern conveniences too much.(I know, I know; supposedly not all Muslims want to kill us, though it sure seems that way, at times.)

What I will do is, however, continue to say many prayers for us all to come together for the betterment and future of our country. We need to stop the blame-game and accept the simple fact that we all have different morals, backgrounds, thoughts, ideas, ideals, and opinions. Whatever your preference, maybe "Kumbaya, my Lord" will help those who prefer a more '60s feel good quote.

This country was once the greatest on this planet. Alas, we have aided and supported so many other countries throughout time that our own nation is now mortgaged well into two or three generations of our bleak future. Sadly, many of those countries have passed us in numerous categories. It's as if we are riding a moped on the Autobahn. What's worse is, they're ones who want to terminate us and our way of life. Or are our so-called allies who won't step-in to support us.

We'd better make some changes, and make them quickly. The clock is not on our side, but we all should be.

Word to my brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, grandchildren, friends and foes. And to those I'll never know. Like you, GI Kevin.
plbk

United States

#14 Nov 5, 2010
Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
....and even if you are correct, which I highly doubt, the bureaucratic process to determine the authentic membership of "established religious sects in existence prior to Dec 31st, 1950" will implode in Agency growth, ultimately compromising accountability, leaving the door wide open for Muslim influence and conversions of peoples who don't want to pay. Nice attempt with the 0.1% reduce to the ridiculous. Even one is too many, nutjob.
Amen Bill!
plbk

United States

#15 Nov 5, 2010
It only took Hitler six years to destroy Russia. Remind you of anyone?
cjrian

United States

#19 Nov 5, 2010
USA First wrote:
.......... Hitler was a role model for the israeli thugs from LIKUD , IRGUN and the STERN GANG .
Get a life
An education
And one name

It was the Grand Mufti that was buttbuddy with ole Adolph.
And nothings changed since then.

Israel is the ONLY democracy in the Middle East
Israel is the only Middle Eastern Country to accept those Faiths other than the State religion.
Israel is the Freest Country in the Middle East
Israel is our only true Ally in the Middle East
Israel doesn't sent bombers to our shores (or anyone elses)
Israel has shown remarkable restrain under 62 years of warlike conditions.

Start brain before engaging "mouth", funguslips.

Since: Aug 09

Mundelein, IL

#21 Nov 12, 2010
LAVON AFFAIR wrote:
<quoted text>.......... Israel is an immoral theocratic imperialist rogue state ......... that hates the US and murdered JFK to get nukes from the traitor , LBJ .......... See FINAL JUDGMENT by michael collins piper ........ and SUPERMOB by gus russo .
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cjrian

United States

#22 Nov 12, 2010
Spam smells better
Ellis Wyatt

Denver, CO

#23 Nov 9, 2011
As I suspected, this is just more pernicious, deliberately false, Dittohead propaganda. I just searched page 107 and then all 906 pages of the Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act of 2011 and did not find the words Dhimmitude, Dhimmi, Muslim, Sharia, Islam, Islamic, Christian, or Jewish.

The "Religious Conscience Exemption" detailed at 1402(g)(1) allows people to opt out if their religion requires it. Both Judaism and Islam consider insurance a form of gambling, so if some hate drunk Anti-Semitic scribbler wanted to re-write this nonsense as an attack on Jews, all he'd need to do is change a few words. Oh, but that wouldn't fit El Rushbo's fantasy that "Liberals are Anti-Semitic."

Bottom line: No Religion is mentioned by name, that I am able to find, anywhere, in the entire document, using the simple word-search tool that a smart monkey could figure out.

Dittobaggers fall for this garbage constantly - that's all their guru, Rush, deals in. Bad judgment is a deeply engrained Republican trait. They stew up this sewage and send it on it's way, and even though it's complete fiction, people of deep gullibility and arrogance lap it right up.

Fact-free outrage is pathetic to watch. Check your sources, America.

Here's the bill:
http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa....

If Dittobaggers ever want to get some credibility, they have to get out of the gutter!

Remember: Intellectual sloth is not a virtue.
Dutchess

United States

#24 Aug 20, 2012
It's really sad that we the people can't worship as we want...I certainly "do not" want obamacare to stay in. We need someone that will bring back America...

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