City development sends water rushing ...

City development sends water rushing into home

There are 22 comments on the KUSA Denver story from Apr 25, 2007, titled City development sends water rushing into home. In it, KUSA Denver reports that:

VIEW SLIDESHOW BROOMFIELD - Mark Nelson says his house and the property around it is a soggy saturated mess.

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Littleton, CO

#1 Apr 25, 2007
I'm with you Mark Nelson! I've noticed the million dolor homes popping up east of Aurora, and the rich snobs moving into said homes. They don't care about you, and neither does the city and news stations. They just want to report on your suffering because it's "news".
Paul K-S

Englewood, CO

#2 Apr 25, 2007
Although I don't have first hand information on this situation, it does seem like the retention pond was under-engineered. The retention pond got built because the county / city saw the need to protect nearby properties, but obviously it didn't have sufficient capacity.

Many municipalities have bylaws that require property owners to route runoff responsibly -- so they don't cause problems that damage their neighbors' property.

Aurora, CO

#3 Apr 25, 2007
The real estate market is terrible right now, the solution, stop building new homes and more un-needed retail centers. The city could care less, the people who's homes and business is causing the run off could care less, if I were this guy I would lawyer up especially if it caused damage to a building.

Denver, CO

#4 Apr 26, 2007
Use a sumpump to route the water in your basement to the city official building; the problem will be solved faster!

Denver, CO

#5 Apr 26, 2007
Speaking of lawyers, one of the developers of this propery is a lawyer. Just saying.

What used to be a nice break in the scenery along the turnpike is now a glut of Targets, Walmarts closed-up retain big boxes and grey rooftops. This is a prime example of why legislation must be reintroduced to grow Colorado's growth intelligently and keep the land in the hands of people with brains in their heads, that want to preserve some of the natural landscape. This haphazard Broomfield development is a mess. Of course they shat on Westminster's residents when they built their county jail, so who would expect any less that they would crap on people like Mark Nelson.

Wait til the retail and those ugly tenement-looking "so-called live/work lofts" are built. These developers will make this area look like urban Chicago. YUCK!!! And Broomfield's mayor is sucking it (pardon the pun) all up for the sake of revenue and to try to make herself look like a bigger fish (only nobody cares). She doesn't give a rat's ass about people in Mark's area. The city is only acting on the damage they have caused because they HAVE to. Not because they WANT to. Ask the lawyer that owns the place.
Jay Rhodes

Broomfield, CO

#6 Apr 26, 2007
At least one detail left out of this story shows that this home is built across the lowest section of what would normally be an intermittant creek....
In Lakewood

Denver, CO

#7 Apr 26, 2007
Sad to say the same thing is happening in Lakewood. A new development in the neighborhood by Alameda High School is causing my sump pump to run constantly....the city ok'd a water retention pond hooked to ours and so all the water ends up behind our homes and the runoff drains can not handle Broomfield we feel your pain...the city needs to hire engineers that understand what they are doing before ok'ing new developments and putting others properties at risk for the sake of tax dollars because they over run their budgets based on frivolities! Most of the cities in the Denver metro area want residents, but then kick them to the curb once they have their money!
monkey hair

Brentwood, TN

#8 Apr 26, 2007
Serves him right for attempting to maintain his home after development moves in. He is supposed to sell out and give up the lifestyle he loves.
Shame on Broomfield

Denver, CO

#9 Apr 26, 2007
Jay Rhodes wrote:
At least one detail left out of this story shows that this home is built across the lowest section of what would normally be an intermittant creek....
I drive by those homes every day and live just on the other side of the highway and down Olde Wadsworth a bit from these people. There is an old watershed for a stock pond (to the south and downhill from a line of homes that border the gravel road there). It used to be fed by one of several offshoot irrigation ditches from the Church Ranch (and possibly Mandalay?) ditches. Those small irrigation ditches were permanently shut off over over a decade ago. The "creek" you refer to crosses Old Wadsworth farther north and drains into a wheatfield, traveling under the railroad grade eventually finishing up into another wheat field on the east side of the tracks and south of the baseball fields. It is not a creek at all. It is merely drainage. Drainage that wasn't meant to take 50 or 60 acres of runoff from a building, roads and parking lots and channel it off easily. And just wait til they fill the entire 200 acres! And funny how there were never flooding problems in the area at all, until that atrocity way built across the way.
Here in Florida

Holland, MI

#10 Apr 26, 2007
Here in Florida, it is required that you build a retention pond that will contain the surface water run-off that the building near it displaces. I know in Colorado that there is less water most of the time, but there should be planning for when you get those large rain falls.

Denver, CO

#11 Apr 26, 2007
Tell me. I live in a place where there was no flooding problem... and for 16 years there wasn't a problem until the 'development' of the properties next to my house.
Improper drainage around the new homes around me caused my basement to flood after the last '100 years' storm a few years ago.
AND insurance will not cover flooring below ground level.
The furor to put up new, expensive, packed together, ill-concieved, poorly engineered homes is a slap in the face to existing neighbors and those who buy them.
I think 'civil engineering' around here means they get to drive the train in Tiny Town.

Grand Prairie, TX

#12 Apr 26, 2007
It's time city officals in Colorado started being more concerned about our drinking water. Much of this problem could be prevented by utilizing "green" techniques in parking lot design. A Google of "porous parking lot" brought up over 300,000 references. This concept, widely used in Europe and some states in the US, allows surface water to percolate through the upper levels of asphalt lots and slowly filter out and work its way naturally back into our groundwater. Conventional asphalt and concrete lots just channel everything into storm drains where it ends up in our lakes and streams. This runoff carries all the sediment, oils, etc. from the lots and creates strain on our drinking water systems.
While most studies indicate it may be slightly more expenseive, depending on the location, to build these type of lots, the long term benefits are sustainable and reduce the strain on waterways and water treatment facilites.
Wake up Colorado and insist that our governments integrate green techniques into our building codes.
Matt Simpson

Stevenson Ranch, CA

#13 Apr 26, 2007
The City should be responsible here. They have plenty of Civil Engineers etc who should have foreseen the potential problems prior to development. Those engineers study the water flows, etc and the overall impact of development prior to it commencing. A property owner should not have to worry about damage to their property due to development.

Louisville, CO

#15 Apr 26, 2007
The Broomfield city planners are obviously inept at thier job. Secondary effects of the development they approve are also their responsibility. Mr. Nelson should not have to spent his money or have his his home flooded because of Broomfield's incompetence. Bet the city chraged the developers a pretty penny for the permits,sewer and water etc. They should reimburse Mr Nelson for his damages.

Denver, CO

#16 Apr 26, 2007
I deal with rain coming in my back door where I live because over the years using gravel and asphalt the city has raised the ally 1-1/2 feet above my back wall putting my back door a foot under ground level.
I have also watched as a new ally was laid sloping towards the back wall of another building I,m assosiated with. When I called to have the problem dealt with I was questioned how I knew the water was coming from the ally and that it was probably coming from the parking lot next door. That water must flow onto the ally before crossing the property line. I replied that you could tell the water was coming from the new ally because of the silt patterns, to which the guy asked how that could tell you anything, and I suggested he ask the flood department to show him that, to which he stated he had transfered from there.
I simply said "boy are we in trouble" and humg up.
so I fear Mr. Nelson will be facing denile and stupidity.
You have my sympathy Mr Nelson.

Denver, CO

#17 Apr 26, 2007
I was a construction worker when this last boom was in full swing. I did the drainage for the foundations. I worked in Broomfield, Boulder Westminster, and the surounding towns. Some home owners would be shocked the corners that were cut to build these $350,000 to $550,000 and up homes.
Just as an example, if you own a home at 4 Mile in Boulder your floor in your celler is built on cassons and in the spring you probley have a foot and a half of water. Under orders we would fake drainage, not put any tile down and say we did, and you can just think what all the other contractors did. And now these methodes are catching up with them. Broomfield has always been a bad place to live, and now that they are there own county, watch out. This guy will never see a penny from that rip-off town.

Fort Collins, CO

#18 Apr 26, 2007
There is not much you can do about thhings like this. My house was flooded when a man-made canal failed. Water ran through one side of the house and out the other. The legal system calls this an act of God.

Fort Collins, CO

#19 Apr 26, 2007
IN addition to my earlier comment, the front of my property used to drain about 8 inches down hill. The county built the road up to a foot higher than my property. Good Luck!

Since: Apr 07

Castle Rock, CO

#20 Apr 26, 2007
Mr. Nelson you might try to get a hold of Jim Flood. He's an expert in hydrological engineering. He lives in Lakewood on Independence street. Just do a Google search. He has designed several flood control parks and he might be of some help in determining where the fault lies and since he's from the local area he might be of some assistance in bringing about a quick resolution.

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Aurora, CO

#21 Apr 26, 2007
Ugh. It's Broomfield. You know. Destination-city wannabe. Alleged big time event center in a town that most folks could care less about. Trust fund babies with silver spoons in their mouths convincing small-time city officials that they needed this behemoth of a building for their who-cares sports teams.

Need I say more? Good luck Mr. Nelson. They owe you big time. Find yourself a good and knowledgable lawyer because that city will tell you exactly what they think you want to hear, then do what they d@mn well please afterward. We seen it happen in council chambers time and time again.

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